WCWR to close?

 
  Floody Locomotive Driver


Apologies for derailing the thread with DP talk, as I said, just a wacky foamer idea, lets not take it overly seriously!

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  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania

Its going to be interesting on what will happen with WCWR over the next few months.

Wonder if the track upgrade will happen after April 30?

  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE



Surely trikes would be safeworking havoc, and doesn't it already take the bulk of the day for the main services to run the round trip?

I really think the big question is how many patrons are needed to make it sustainable, break even, or just keep the loss to an acceptable level? I suspect that its probably a huge number when you factor in the increases in wear and tear on the equipment and infrastructure, fuel consumption, staffing etc needed to maintain a larger patronage.

"Floody"


If the steam/diesel hauled traffic is so busy there you don't need to consider trikes or gang motors, sadly its not! Safeworking can be managed elsewhere, why not here? Not saying send people off adhoc on their own, but in groups with a staff memeber as a leader. the activities on such a tour should be different to that in the train to avoid clashing in market share. But also its unlikely it would be for the full distance and potentially run on days when the train may not be running (I don't believe a 7 day operation can survive the current crisis).

If they are expecting to save the railway with the current high cost fare structure after nearly a decade of operation, it won't happen. they need to provide other cheaper options ontop of the current trains. I'm not critising the fare structure for the services offered, its probably realistic of the costs involved for a known non subsidised operation, maybe too cheap if anything. But there needs to be other options.

  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!



From the paper work from my sources which i'm not going to disclose, listed DP13 and DP14 as heritage rollingstock. Listed what can be done, like colour schemes etc. But also lists what can't be done.

Apparently they are heritage due to being only survivors of 4


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railcars built with certain hp Gardner diesel motors, 102hp. The heritage "Act" only has only been in for the last few years.

"Z1NorthernProgress2110"



I just searched through the Tasmanian Heritage Register (the only one with 'legal' standing) and I didn't find any mention of any railcars or anything other than property.

Not interested in the identity of your source, but what "list" are the railcars on and what is its authority to govern limits on what can be done to the railcars? Regardless, it would be a bit pointless, considering the railcars had already been gutted, heavily modified and one is burnt out!


  safeworking Station Staff

Location: Bungendore

The current issue of Railway Herald, a UK E-magazine, is reporting that a joint  Commonwealth - Tasmanian Governments rescue package worth $7.5 million is proposed for the WCWR.  I have not seen any other references to this package from Australian sources and the Railway Herald does not provide a reference for its article.

Does anyone have any knowledge of this package, or we just dealing with wishful thinking?

  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!



The current issue of Railway Herald, a UK E-magazine, is reporting that a joint Commonwealth - Tasmanian Governments rescue package worth $7.5 million is proposed for the WCWR. I have not seen any other references to this package from Australian sources and the Railway Herald does not provide a reference for its article.

Does anyone have any knowledge of this package, or we just dealing with wishful thinking?

"safeworking"


There has been reference in the news about this. It was announced by Braddon MHR Sid Sidebottom the other day. However the catch is, finding a new operator, as Federal are out regardless it seems.

  benscaro Chief Commissioner





The current issue of Railway Herald, a UK E-magazine, is reporting that a joint Commonwealth - Tasmanian Governments rescue package worth $7.5 million is proposed for the WCWR. I have not seen any other references to this package from Australian sources and the Railway Herald does not provide a reference for its article.

Does anyone have any knowledge of this package, or we just dealing with wishful thinking?


There has been reference in the news about this. It was announced by Braddon MHR Sid Sidebottom the other day. However the catch is, finding a new operator, as Federal are out regardless it seems.
12CSVT


if they insert into the contract a few 'wake up and smell the coffee' type clauses for the operator, ie, you are expected to live on the line's income ... or whatever you can derive from west coast municipalities, that should be sufficient to ensure no one signs.   Wink
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE



The current issue of Railway Herald, a UK E-magazine, is reporting that a joint Commonwealth - Tasmanian Governments rescue package worth $7.5 million is proposed for the WCWR. I have not seen any other references to this package from Australian sources and the Railway Herald does not provide a reference for its article.

Does anyone have any knowledge of this package, or we just dealing with wishful thinking?

"safeworking"


It was in the local print media. I first read about it on ABC website.

  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Looks like the Federal Govt are pitching in $6m:
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2013/04/17/377203_tasmania-news.html
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Looks like the Federal Govt are pitching in $6m:
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2013/04/17/377203_tasmania-news.html
Carnot
Line upgrades etc, but who will operate the trains?
  12CSVT Chief Commissioner

Location: Drowning in accreditation red tape!
Line upgrades etc, but who will operate the trains?
Graham4405

Good question!!!
  Z1NorthernProgress2110 Chief Commissioner

Location: Burnie, Tasmania
The government have come out with a company name, i think?
  siroch Locomotive Driver

The government have come out with a company name, i think?
Z1NorthernProgress2110
I think you will find that it is just the name of the holding company.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
Reading the book "the Peaks of Llyell" ,the rail component tells of  a massive struggle to get railway operations as an adjunct to ore transport;It was a long saga and went through many phases ;wonderful stories of the early pioneers of Tassie.Many flaws ,failures and triumphs.WCWR was a Lazarus-like event.
I was priviledged in 2000 to experience a ABT loco footplate journey to Rhinadeena up the cogs.The restoration and service though not overloaded  was still a great rail experience. I admire the staff's dedication to have survived upto now.
Many rail heritage groups in Australasia and O/S are currently facing similar cessation due to massive insurances,lack of patrons and nanny state govt supervision.
There are no easy answers sadly.
Dont miss the last opportunities to experience the ABT.
Here in NZ the fabled Kingston Flyer is now facing a similar close after a Lazarus-like event 4 years ago.,was rescued and now up for sale.
  DRR_Fireman Deputy Commissioner

Location: -
Too late, last train was today!
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
So operations have ceased.
What is the ultimate future for the locos,rail infra structure and rolling stock;let alone a dedicated staff made redundant ?
Were there any emotional last run photos  like photographers,press,and historians have shown and  told of an earlier demise.?
Lou Rae must feel very sad.Me too
  DRR_Fireman Deputy Commissioner

Location: -
They're performing track maintenance during the winter and hoping that another operator will be found before the tourist season kicks off again
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The report on the Tasmanian ABC News said that there have been no tenders issued for the track maintenance as yet.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2HnpB2o1Zw
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
duttonbay its heartbreaking for the operators,staff,but not only them the wider rail heritage community saw the ABT restoration a world breaker.Tasmanians have a long history of assets protection,changing community attitudes locally but also  internationally.
The ABC clip says it all.Old super8 films of yesteryear showed earlier operations,journalists like Patsy Adam Smith expanded on those pioneering times.I have several old VCRs that cover these earlier times.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
Recent reports indicate the State Govt plans to take over the operations.Have all the staff moved on by now or is there hope the rails will be back in operation ?
Hope so.Wonderful heritage to be saved.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper

If they are expecting to save the railway with the current high cost fare structure after nearly a decade of operation, it won't happen. they need to provide other cheaper options ontop of the current trains. I'm not critising the fare structure for the services offered, its probably realistic of the costs involved for a known non subsidised operation, maybe too cheap if anything. But there needs to be other options.
"RTT_Rules"


Here! Here! The high cost was the reason I didn't consider going on the Abt when I visited Tasmania. There needs to be some cheaper options.

Anyway there should be some interesting times ahead with the state government getting involved.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Here! Here! The high cost was the reason I didn't consider going on the Abt when I visited Tasmania. There needs to be some cheaper options.

Anyway there should be some interesting times ahead with the state government getting involved.
"GeoffreyHansen"

What do you suggest? They have the top-of-the-line class (with food and drinks laid on), and tourist class (with nothing other than a seat and a tourist guide in the car). There's really no option for a shorter ride, so the only way it could be cheaper would be to drop the guide, so you get no information on what you are seeing.  

And you are suggestion cheaper options. Perhaps you could ride from Regatta Point to Lower Landing, and hang around there with nothing to do for three hours to get the returning train.

It cost $140 for a full day. While initially I raised my eyebrows at that cost, at the end of the day I thought it was fair value for a day's entertainment.

It is a very expensive railway to operate and maintain. The previous operator couldn't make a go of it with the fares they charged, and you want to make it cheaper?
  i_know_nothing Train Controller

The Apt locos burn as much diesel (yes, they burn diesel! Not heavy or waste oil) as a 2000hp diesel locomotive at notch 8. Hardly conducive to profitability
  BP4417 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Launceston, Tasmania
The Apt locos burn as much diesel (yes, they burn diesel! Not heavy or waste oil) as a 2000hp diesel locomotive at notch 8. Hardly conducive to profitability
i_know_nothing
I know nothing what do you base your fuel consumption figures on?
  abtrail Station Master

Location: west coast wilderness railway
The Apt locos burn as much diesel (yes, they burn diesel! Not heavy or waste oil) as a 2000hp diesel locomotive at notch 8. Hardly conducive to profitability
i_know_nothing

I am a driver ABT locos  and they burn waste oil and have been for 5 years

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