Auscision Models Blog

 
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Direct from them.

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  brissim Chief Train Controller

The lack of interior detail on the V Sets disappoints me more than on the XPT (and presumably also the Aurora cars). Its always been my observations that its much easier to see into the V Sets as they pass as opposed to the XPTs (or Xplorers for that matter). Having said that I also echo the comments of some of those above that #100/car simply for a shell and some underbody detail is getting a bit rich. I suppose it does however open up the market for someone to produce some aftermarket interiors. If so, I just hope that Auscision at least engineer it from the beginning that it is relatively easy to remove the body to get access.

Tony
  mixter Beginner

Blog updated with V set. Perhaps the picture represents how close the project is to completion Wink

What's the bet the V sets will be the first RTR model with the new Sydney Trains livery.


Image Courtesy Chris Williams
"Poath Junction"


Maybe the first in NSW Train Link livery


Mick
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I understand about the different variations; but my response to that would be that they reproduce the varieties of different body styles easily enough and for the same price, why couldn't that apply to interiors.
anyway as has been said by Roachie; the buyer has the power whether to purchase or not. I have made the decision to not buy the XPT based on the lack of an interior. Others will definitely think differently. Who knows maybe this decision to not include the interior will leave a hole for another company to produce the same thing with an interior. With such a small market time will no doubt tell.

Anyway that's my two bob. Definitely looking forward to the AN's from Auscision
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Maybe the first in NSW Train Link livery


Mick
mixter

I was wondering if anyone was ever going to pick up the mistake.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Poath Junction, the only difference in mixter's post I see is that he has typed TrainLink as two words.

One thing I reckon you can be reasonably sure of, however, is that each different type of carriage would require a different seating arrangement to the others.

Therefore, it wouldn't be possible to just make up "a casting" of the seats and plonk the same one into each carriage......well I'm wrong of course....it would be POSSIBLE to do so,
Roachie
http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/N%20Car%20Page.htm
Features:
Super detailed car interiors with different layout for each car class
Auscision (Victorian N Car sets)
This makes their Victorian N Car sets better value than their XPT sets.

Meh, just went through their website, for some reason, all passenger carriages for, or went into Victoria have interiors

We will give them marks for at least including what the minimum radius is.
  trawny Train Controller

Location: Victoria
XPT runs in Victoria. Some of there example photos you can see inside.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Poath Junction, the only difference in mixter's post I see is that he has typed TrainLink as two words.
Newcastle Express

I had written "Sydney Trains livery", intercity electrics such as V sets are NSW TrainLink not Sydney Trains.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Meh, for $895 for a 7 car XPT, you'd expect to come with interiors.

Hornby (& others) I see produce passenger cars with interiors, and can be under $100 per carriage.

For a four car train set with a power car/loco but no interior, we don't think you should expect to pay over $50 for the three carriages, plus about say $200 for the power car/loco, so around $350 to $400 - especially for items that are made in China, and possibly the same factory that Hornby uses.

You can get a Hornby 1st class carriage for around $60 - with interiors.
Newcastle Express

I asked Auscision about the interior of XPTs  last year and they stated that it was hard to see the interior of cars with that Orange window tint and to achieve the look in model form they will have tint the glass orange and then put a metallic film on inside of windows to achieve the correct look therefore a complete waste of time and added to cost to put in an interior that you can not see !
Also if the locos cost $250 each (a dummy loco costs just as much to tool) mechanism isn't a big cost then that means a set at $895 - $500 for locos = $395 for the cars which works out at about $80 a car not a bad price.
To tool the different seating arrangement in each different interior would add lots of cost I would think for something we wont see.
The same can be said for the V sets they have similar windows to the XPT and with them having double deck seating and different car arrangements would need to tool something to support each level of seating doubling the cost of the interior compared to a single deck car.
No interior is no big issue and I am glad they are not going to do lights as I think its a gimic and have yet to see any car lighting that looks anything like the prototypes.
Just look at the issues Austrains and Eureka have had with their cars fitted with lighting.
I would much rather Auscision spend the money on the tooling/detail and painting of the exterior of cars and locos,that is the parts we can actually see easily and appreciate.
I think we are getting a bit to precious with this sort of winging,we are very lucky these producers go to the trouble of making these models in such a small low volume market.You can not compare Hornby as their market is much bigger that Australian market and they produce in higher volumes which brings their costs down compared to what our Australian producers can do.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Perhaps the lack of interior/lighting without a reduction in $ is in fact masking impending inflationary pressure...

Just a thought
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

I am glad they are not going to do lights as I think its a gimic and have yet to see any car lighting that looks anything like the prototypes.
2LaGrange

My thoughts exactly.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

While I have posted their motto about trusting them for precision, interiors yes, but interior lights don't need to be included. Interior lights may create some problems.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Its got nothing to do with precision,you will not be able to see the interior due to the reflective film on the inside of the windows.Lets look at the Southern Rail 4 car U boats at $720.00 as set, now if we say cars are about $100.00 each thats $320.00 for the interiors ! Is that worth it ?
I will guess V sets at about $500 for a 4 car set so if we apply the same thinking are you willing to pay $800 with interiors ? Same with XPT price would go way over $1000.00 mark.
I say stuff the interiors we wont even be able to see them so why bother to keep a few wingers happy,much better to keep the prices reasonable.
Those that want interiors can put their own in or if you dont like it dont buy them simple.Auscision is being very precise in stating that they wont come with interiors ! I am sure they will still sell out like most of their other products especially if they can keep the prices around the $100-$125 mark per car.
  Albert Chief Commissioner

I think there are going to be quite a few disappointed people, no where on the Auscision site or order form does it mention that the XPT cars will not have interiors. It's well and fair to say if you don't like don't buy, however there are people that have put their money down only to find out now and if you want to cancel you will be slugged a large cancellation fee.

In short, a huge cop-out! And it's surprising the leniency shown, Any other importer and the flame torches and pitch forks would be out.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Interestingly the orange reflective windows have been replaced on many XPT carriages with a clearer see through reflective cover, that is the same with the V sets, as they had the same orange reflective windows & also replaced with the newer types.

Interior lighting is a bit of a hit & miss, but when the contacts work ok the lighting affects are quite ok though.  The thing is that all Air conditioned Rolling Stock were fitted with interior lighting & the lights were on day & night, until turned out by train crews.

IN the end I guess it depends on those buying the models, but from what I see the fitting of interior detail in carriages is pretty standard these days, & if they do not come with interiors then the prices should reflect that point, no interiors, then they should be discounted by what the cost would be if fitted with them.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

I think there are going to be quite a few disappointed people, no where on the Auscision site or order form does it mention that the XPT cars will not have interiors. It's well and fair to say if you don't like don't buy, however there are people that have put their money down only to find out now and if you want to cancel you will be slugged a large cancellation fee.

In short, a huge cop-out! And it's surprising the leniency shown, Any other importer and the flame torches and pitch forks would be out.
Albert

I do not think it is a cop out at all,No where on the website or on the XPT flyers did it say that they would come with interior details in the cars.
If its not listed its not a feature of the model.
What do you want them to do list every feature a model does not have.
If you were going to produce something with interior detail you would mention it,the E cars and N cars came with interior details and that was a listed feature.
Why would the pitch forks be out its was quite clear to me that they do not come with interior detail and if you wanted to check with them before ordering a simple email or phone enquiry would have settled any uncertainty.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I'd like to point out that their website is not entirely clear about the issue of XPT interiors as there was a CAD drawing of one of the sitting cars with full interior details (I will dig it up later, it's in a blog update from some time ago). So clearly along the way it was decided to not go ahead with interiors.
The only way I found out for sure was as said; sending them an email.
Regardless of what's right or wrong by them, I'm personally disappointed (and others have made their points clear too) that there are no interiors, as now they are basically a wagon; if you'd like to point out the differences between the XPT cars and say the various louvred vans produced, I'm all ears) but yet the price is still the same as other passenger cars.
Put short, this shortcoming has made me decide to hold onto my $$ for other purposes.
And for the record I'm not implying auscision are conning anyone; they have and continue to make fantastic models which I will continue to purchase providing they fall into my category of interest.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Apologies but I can only provide the image link from my phone.
The blog update was from the 26th February last year.

http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/images/1%20xpt.jpg
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
--snip-- if you want to cancel you will be slugged a large cancellation fee.

In short, a huge cop-out! And it's surprising the leniency shown, Any other importer and the flame torches and pitch forks would be out.
Albert
Exactly right, interesting there's very little mention or "outrage" over the cancellation fee that none of the other companies charge....

And spot on there, people would be out for blood if it was anyone else, hammering on over 10 pages about it.

Wolfpac
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
I do not think it is a cop out at all,No where on the website or on the XPT flyers did it say that they would come with interior details in the cars.
If its not listed its not a feature of the model.
What do you want them to do list every feature a model does not have.
If you were going to produce something with interior detail you would mention it,the E cars and N cars came with interior details and that was a listed feature.
2LaGrange

advertised as dcc "READY" 73 class when I placed my order way back when readily comes to mind....

it was listed as a feature....

No pitchforks I suppose as we did not wait many years for the proposed model to arrive unlike other importers.

Disappointed yes, but it was / is not an insurmountable problem

Regards,

Catchpoint
  Albert Chief Commissioner

I do not think it is a cop out at all,No where on the website or on the XPT flyers did it say that they would come with interior details in the cars.
If its not listed its not a feature of the model.
What do you want them to do list every feature a model does not have.
If you were going to produce something with interior detail you would mention it,the E cars and N cars came with interior details and that was a listed feature.
Why would the pitch forks be out its was quite clear to me that they do not come with interior detail and if you wanted to check with them before ordering a simple email or phone enquiry would have settled any uncertainty.
2LaGrange
Apologies but I can only provide the image link from my phone.
The blog update was from the 26th February last year.

http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/images/1%20xpt.jpg
meh

Oops!




Auscision have just posted that there is a price rise for the XPT sets, they will be over $1,100.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

I think there are going to be quite a few disappointed people, no where on the Auscision site or order form does it mention that the XPT cars will not have interiors. It's well and fair to say if you don't like don't buy, however there are people that have put their money down only to find out now and if you want to cancel you will be slugged a large cancellation fee.
Albert
The blog update was from the 26th February last year.

http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/images/1%20xpt.jpg
meh

That link that meh has provided gives the impression that interiors on the XPT models WILL be included.
But they are saying that they will not include interiors. Since that is the case, it could come under the misleading tag.

In reply to Albert:
If a person believes they were going to be advertised with interiors as shown in meh's link, and may cancel due to being told that they will be different (such as no interiors) on the XPT, then the customer can't be charged a cancellation fee. And that goes for any product.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

In hindsight applying LaGrange's economies of scale to pricing, a 7 car set at $895 is good value - whether you're into illuminated interiors or not. A price rise to $1100 is not

Best get a pre-order in. Fortunately I have complete faith that Auscision are extremely unlikely to cancel my order AND withhold my funds like one of its competitors...
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Regarding the XPT.......

Am I correct in my understanding that the train will only have one "motorised" powered car (the other power car being a "dummy")?

If so, would it be the intention of any intending owners, to run the train with the powered car at the back of the train?  If so, how do you reckon this high speed train will go negotiating track crossings etc when being propelled from the rear?

The operation of the prototype was such that the train would go to its destination (let's say Albury station) and the power car at the opposite end would then be used for the UP journey back to Sydney.

If I was going to buy an XPT I reckon I'd be wanting a motorised power car at each end.....and they'd have to be pretty-well perfectly speed matched to avoid a catastrophe.

Just curious as the thoughts of others.

Roachie
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Regarding the XPT.......

Am I correct in my understanding that the train will only have one "motorised" powered car (the other power car being a "dummy")?

If so, would it be the intention of any intending owners, to run the train with the powered car at the back of the train?  If so, how do you reckon this high speed train will go negotiating track crossings etc when being propelled from the rear?

The operation of the prototype was such that the train would go to its destination (let's say Albury station) and the power car at the opposite end would then be used for the UP journey back to Sydney.

If I was going to buy an XPT I reckon I'd be wanting a motorised power car at each end.....and they'd have to be pretty-well perfectly speed matched to avoid a catastrophe.

Just curious as the thoughts of others.

Roachie
Roachie
It is also my understanding that there will be only one powered unit. I ordered one of the sets last year and paid it off prior to the change in Auscision's payments policy.

I can see the potential for issues running the train with the powered unit at the rear, so I will likely not be doing this on my layout. I think the condition of one's track would have a big impact on the feasibility of this.

If you want a powered car at each end, you could always buy one of the special-livery power cars and use DCC to speed-match them.

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