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  2LaGrange Train Controller

Newcastle Express you keep harping on about some preliminary drawing,i will say it for the 5th time when you order you fill out a form that clearly states what features the model has PLAIN and SIMPLE get over it.I bet you havnt even ordered an XPT yet your the lead winger.A6ET you make valid points about most pass stock coming with interiors but its not like auscision ever listed interiors as a feature.Also they may now be phasing out orange tint windows but what about the 1982-2000 period when they did all have these windows prior to the change outs starting to happen.Lighting is not an issue on Auscision cars as they have never offered it.

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  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
It mentions it by having said drawing, and Wolfpac, that drawing is part of the marketing tools.
Newcastle Express
Then that eliminates what the poster said about them not having seating/interiors etc.

I meant in text, specifically saying (in black and white, as such) "including interiors" or alternatively "will not include interiors" or wording to that effect. (Before someone picks up that and says it won't say it like that or something...)

The CAD images do show interiors, like the N Set CAD images showed, so you would think they will include them, until they say on the site otherwise.

End of the day, can someone lining up at the Auscision stand at Liverpool show in a couple of weeks ask them, will they (and ask them to put it on the site Rolling Eyes ) LaughingLaughing

Wolfpac
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

Then that eliminates what the poster said about them not having seating/interiors etc.

I meant in text, specifically saying (in black and white, as such) "including interiors" or alternatively "will not include interiors" or wording to that effect. (Before someone picks up that and says it won't say it like that or something...)

The CAD images do show interiors, like the N Set CAD images showed, so you would think they will include them, until they say on the site otherwise.

End of the day, can someone lining up at the Auscision stand at Liverpool show in a couple of weeks ask them, will they (and ask them to put it on the site Rolling Eyes ) LaughingLaughing

Wolfpac
wolfpac

You can always post the question on their facebook page.
  Albert Chief Commissioner

Newcastle When i ordered my XPT i read the order form list of details and looked at XPT page on website and no where does it mention that the car comes with interiors hence my comment about winging,what do you want them to do list all the things it does not have,eg the model is not N scale,the model is not O gauge the model will not come with a working toaster in the buffet car,how is it in anyway deceptive is beyond me.If its not listed its not a feature.The fact that you think they should have interiors doesnt mean they have to do it.Tooling all the different car interiors would be expensive and as i said previously the cars worked out at $80.00 each before the price rise.I will ask them at liverpool show but im guessing the price rise has something to do with aussie dollar going down and possibly car interiors if they are tooling them.Auscision sell interiors for N and E cars for 19.95 and the only reason they are that cheap would be they had to tool them for the cars anyway and got extras made at the same time.Tooling a car or loco the costs are similar so they are boxes with wheels..expensive ones.
2LaGrange

Don't think anyone has accused Auscision of deception?

What of the people that have ordered sets based in part from the 3d drawings displayed as part of the advertising for the XPT sets? We already know that if it's writing or not on the Auscision website means nothing after the 73 class being DCC ready episode.

And your $80 a car justification doesn't hold water as Auscision are selling individual cars at $125.
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
You can always post the question on their facebook page.
kingfisher
As can anyone else that actually cares if they come with interiors or not. I won't be buying them, so it doesn't really faze me one way or another...

Wolfpac
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Newcastle Express you keep harping on about some preliminary drawing,i will say it for the 5th time when you order you fill out a form that clearly states what features the model has PLAIN and SIMPLE get over it.I bet you havnt even ordered an XPT yet your the lead winger.A6ET you make valid points about most pass stock coming with interiors but its not like auscision ever listed interiors as a feature.Also they may now be phasing out orange tint windows but what about the 1982-2000 period when they did all have these windows prior to the change outs starting to happen.Lighting is not an issue on Auscision cars as they have never offered it.
2LaGrange
I'm sorry.....I can help myself anymore.

I try to be as understanding as possible about the way people spell some words. If its a case that a word is just spelt incorrectly, but its meaning or intent is still obvious, then I keep my trap shut.

But 2LaGrange, I really must point out to you that the word you keep typing "winging", means something to do with flying....EG: "He was winging his way to Bali on a Qantas flight when the attendant gave him a head job" etc.

However, the word I 'think' you are trying to say is "WHINGING".....which means to have a whinge about what somebody has done/said/written etc.

Okay, I'm off to crawl back in my hole (not "whole").

Like I said, sorry if I seem pedantic, but when you use a "proper" word in the wrong context, it makes the reader's job difficult, cos you aren't explaining yourself properly.

EG: "I helped my uncle jack off a horse" has a completely different meaning to: "I helped my uncle Jack, off a horse".

Roachie
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Since we're mentioning horse anatomy, from the "horses mouth"... (to the question I asked)
Question: XPT interiors/seats etc - yay or nay?
Reply: Yes.

Right, so that's the end of that little "issue"/sticking point, then.

Enjoy...

Wolfpac
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
I'm sorry.....I can help myself anymore.

--snip--

Roachie
Roachie
Slightly ironic that the English 'lesson' contains slang, grammar, capitalisation and punctuation errors in itself... SmileWink

Wolfpac
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Slightly ironic that the English 'lesson' contains slang, grammar, capitalisation and punctuation errors in itself... SmileWink

Wolfpac
wolfpac
I certainly ain't perfect either.....but I really do try to use the correct word when there ("their") are different spellings of words that sound the same and have totally different meanings. (EG: to/too/two).

I only went as far as 4th form (year 10 these days) and that was back in 1970.....so I don't profess to be perfect at spelling and/or grammar. It's just that bloody "winging" word that has cropped-up several times in 2LaGrange's posts. It is a real word, but reading his sentences which contain it, it would seem to be the wrong word he keeps using. Maybe I'm wrong and he really does mean "flying away" when he writes it.???

Like I said, I bit my tongue the first 47 times he wrote "winging", but I finally cracked.....sorry.


Roachie
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

If yous check there FBOOK paige youl see that the prise remayns untill the end of octobah and inteareors will be avaylabul. Me think thayl have a rush of order in the nekt munf
  PeltonPinch Locomotive Fireman

For the benefit of those that don't facebook...

  • RP_member: Hopefully a quick/easy question: XPT interiors/seats etc - yay or nay?
    Just to settle something...





  brissim Chief Train Controller

Since we're mentioning horse anatomy, from the "horses mouth"... (to the question I asked)
Question: XPT interiors/seats etc - yay or nay?
Reply: Yes.

Right, so that's the end of that little "issue"/sticking point, then.

Enjoy...

Wolfpac
wolfpac

Thanks for that Wolfpac but certainly in my mind there exists some confusion.

The question that was asked as whether there would be interiors "yay or nay" and the answer that come back was a very curt answer of "Yes". I'm sorry to be pedantic but is this yes to yay or yes to nay. I get the impression they are a little pissed off the question has even been raised. From one of the other answers on FB they say make the very cryptic comment that "interiors will be available in 2014".

From all of this I'm concluding that contrary to what meh had reported in communication with Auscision several pages ago that yes interior detail will be "available". So does this mean that initially the XPT sets will not come with interiors and that they can be purchased separately as an (presumably) extra cost after market item? And is this an extra cost above the cost increase that comes into effect at the end of October?

I've sent an email to Auscision asking for clarification. So no Wolfpac - I don't believe this is the end of this little issue.

Tony
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for that Wolfpac but certainly in my mind there exists some confusion.

The question that was asked as whether there would be interiors "yay or nay" and the answer that come back was a very curt answer of "Yes". I'm sorry to be pedantic but is this yes to yay or yes to nay. I get the impression they are a little pissed off the question has even been raised. From one of the other answers on FB they say make the very cryptic comment that "interiors will be available in 2014".

From all of this I'm concluding that contrary to what meh had reported in communication with Auscision several pages ago that yes interior detail will be "available". So does this mean that initially the XPT sets will not come with interiors and that they can be purchased separately as an (presumably) extra cost after market item? And is this an extra cost above the cost increase that comes into effect at the end of October?

I've sent an email to Auscision asking for clarification. So no Wolfpac - I don't believe this is the end of this little issue.

Tony
brissim

Interesting, I didn't read the comments that way. The series of comments is as follows:

Nathan Peters: I assume these are due out soon then?

Roger Hill: Jeez, how can some people confuse things over a simple statement!

Adam Weise: Hopefully a quick/easy question: XPT interiors/seats etc - yay or nay?
Just to settle something...

Auscision Models: Yes.

Nathan Peters: Is this yes to they out soon or the interiors?

Auscision Models: Interiors. They will be available in 2014.
Facebook


I would have taken that as being an answer to both questions - the "Yes" being to the interiors, then a statement about when the XPT set will be available. Still, I am interested to hear the results of your email.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

MM - Thanks for that full transcript of the Facebook chatter. As a non-FB member all I see on their FB page is a jumble of seemingly unrelated questions and answers. I agree that when put in context it does seem to answer the questions. Yes interiors will be part of the as-delivered product and that the XPTs are coming in 2014.

I will never-the-less pass on any reply I get to my email enquiry.

Tony
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
MM - Thanks for that full transcript of the Facebook chatter. As a non-FB member all I see on their FB page is a jumble of seemingly unrelated questions and answers. I agree that when put in context it does seem to answer the questions. Yes interiors will be part of the as-delivered product and that the XPTs are coming in 2014.

I will never-the-less pass on any reply I get to my email enquiry.

Tony
brissim
You're welcome. I'm not a Facebook member either, but I found that comments are sorted by a "Top Comments" ranking as a default - if you click on this and select "Recent Activity", it should show them in (albeit reverse) order.
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Thanks for that Wolfpac but certainly in my mind there exists some confusion.

The question that was asked as whether there would be interiors "yay or nay" and the answer that come back was a very curt answer of "Yes". I'm sorry to be pedantic but is this yes to yay or yes to nay. I get the impression they are a little pissed off the question has even been raised. From one of the other answers on FB they say make the very cryptic comment that "interiors will be available in 2014".

From all of this I'm concluding that contrary to what meh had reported in communication with Auscision several pages ago that yes interior detail will be "available". So does this mean that initially the XPT sets will not come with interiors and that they can be purchased separately as an (presumably) extra cost after market item? And is this an extra cost above the cost increase that comes into effect at the end of October?

I've sent an email to Auscision asking for clarification. So no Wolfpac - I don't believe this is the end of this little issue.

Tony
brissim
How does that get misinterpreted or any shadow of a doubt exist!? Still!? How do you answer yes to no?! You do understand what yay and nay mean? EDIT: It was an OR statement, not an AND statement. One for the Boolean fans out there...

It's like the questions earlier on their Page about when they'll be out and about the price rise. The information was RIGHT there yet it was still misinterpreted... Comprehension, anyone?

I asked a simple question and it only required a simple answer.

The question was answered as simply as you can get and in the affirmative they will have interiors.

And then re-answered again following me asking the question.

Really? Really? Sports entertainment fans will appreciate that one.

Wolfpac
  brissim Chief Train Controller

How does that get misinterpreted or any shadow of a doubt exist!? Still!? How do you answer yes to no?! You do understand what yay and nay mean? EDIT: It was an OR statement, not an AND statement. One for the Boolean fans out there...

It's like the questions earlier on their Page about when they'll be out and about the price rise. The information was RIGHT there yet it was still misinterpreted... Comprehension, anyone?

I asked a simple question and it only required a simple answer.

The question was answered as simply as you can get and in the affirmative they will have interiors.

And then re-answered again following me asking the question.

Really? Really? Sports entertainment fans will appreciate that one.

Wolfpac
wolfpac

Grow up!!

The answer you provided was not conclusive. This was not necessarily your fault - I though it was a very poor reply from Auscision. This is evidenced by the fact there was a followup question on Facebook asking for clarification. And this is the full transcript as provided by MeddlingMonk. MM's more complete post does answer the question as I acknowledged above.

Tony
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
in my mind there exists some confusion.
"brissim"
The answers were pretty clear to me. When some one asks a question and says 'yes or no' an answer of 'blue' or 'chocolate cake' is likely to be nonsensical. When someone answers 'yes' they are EXCEEDINGLY UNLIKELY to mean 'yes, no is correct'. I'd say such an answer would never be given, but there are some stupid people in this world... But the Auscision boys would be a long way from stupid, hence the only answer is 'yes' as in 'yes'...

"interiors will be available in 2014".
"brissim"
Punctuation matters, use it, understand it and there is not confusion. Deliberately or otherwise you have mispunctuated that sentence from the original, it now appears to say something ENTIRELY different from that which was intended. That is your fault, not Auscision's.

It would be quite clear to anyone with a decent grasp of the English language that the XPT cars WILL come with interiors and will be available in 2014.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Auscision Models For those that don’t know how to read Facebook comments correctly I will write it again.

YES the XPT passenger cars will have interiors. They were designed like this from day one.

AND they will be available in 2014! That’s the XPT models not the interiors!

Also all cars will have orange tinted windows as per the prototype but don’t ask for passengers as they won’t have any!

(When reading comments please select “recent activity” and read from the bottom up that way you will understand what questions our answers were for!)
update on facebook
Now if we cast our mind back a few pages to what started all this witty banter, all I can say is "gee, someone's face must be red now".
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Thanks for that Poath. It pretty much mirrors the reply to got to my email query during the day. I'm pleased this has now been resolved and I can go ahead and place my order now that I know what I'll be getting. The reply to my email is set out below.

Tony
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Hi Tony,



The comment on Facebook “Available in 2014” was answering the question about when the XPTs would be available.



All XPT coaches will have interior details. And were designed like this from day one.




Kind Regards,
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Comments or examples of bad Spelling  or misused grammer etc. is not to continue in this thread......
The yes and no  sideline is not on topic and if one is so worried, create a topic in the lounge, say titiled "yes and no questions"
"dthead"
I take some exception to this, the yes and no argument came out of a crazy post questioning what was the simplest possible answer to a simple question. An understanding of the question gave the answer an exact meaning and certainty.

As for grammar and spelling, I don't especially care whether posters use correct grammar or not, so long as they do not get grammar so wrong as to alter the facts. The post I quoted, as I said, used altered grammar. This, either deliberately or otherwise amended the meaning of the sentence they were trying to quote. In my view this served only to enhance the confusion surrounding a fairly straightforward answer to an on topic idea.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
[edit]Comments or examples of bad Spelling  or misused grammer etc. is not to continue in this thread......

Taking note of Aaron's post I'd like to ensure this thread stays on topic to the models, at the moment it seems to be with XPT and interiors.  The thread was wandering so I wished to nudge it firmly back on track. As with any nudge it sometimes needs correcting.

I also have moved my post down ( deleting the older one) to ensure readers see it.

If the issues are important I still suggest a new thread in the lounge, or PM the other poster you may have exception to, if that is the case.

[/edit]
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
"AN Locos & NHRH Coal Hoppers Arrive!". So sayeth the blog.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/Auscision%20Models%20Blog.htm

looking forward to their arrival; hopefully tomorrow but most likely tuesday or wednesday.

as for the XPT, let's bury this topic now that it has been confirmed by Auscision. It was a pleasure arguing the topic with those involved Razz
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
http//www.auscisionmodels.com.au/Auscision%20Models%20Blog.htm

looking forward to their arrival; hopefully tomorrow but most likely tuesday or wednesday.

as for the XPT, let's bury this topic now that it has been confirmed by Auscision. It was a pleasure arguing the topic with those involved P
meh
Precisely, hopefully now it's been answered concisely enough. Although you needed to use your avatar as a smiliey after that statement, rather than RazzLaughing

Wolfpac

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