Twenty (20) years...plus a few months since the demise of the Vinelander

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
With the passing of two decades and a few days, the local Mildura campaign to get a passenger train up and running again after 20 years since the demise of the Vinelander continues as strongly as ever...



  • Over 500 letters and submissions, all advocating return of pax rail.






  • Front page stories in the Sunraysia Daily, and below the many letters written in the local Sunraysia daily...all in the last year





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[color=#333333][size=3][font=Times New Roman]http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/1362543/on-the-rails-mildura-needs-passenger-train-to-become-a-modern-city/[/font][/size][/color]


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[color=#333333][size=3][font=Times New Roman]http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/419496/eighteen-years-on-train-still-in-its-shed/[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#333333][size=3][font=Times New Roman]http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/413638/group-still-lobbying-for-passenger-train/[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#333333][size=3][font=Times New Roman]http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/422085/mildura-developing-except-for-hospital/[/font][/size][/color]


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[size=3][font=Times New Roman]http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/1578827/passenger-train-means-equality/?cs=1259[/font][/size]


http://www.sunraysiadaily.com.au/story/1693543/lets-renew-push-for-passenger-train-return/



and Wiki:


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Horsham for example has no daily passenger train and there appears to be no local will to introduce a SG VLocity to co-ordinate at Ararat with BG, and Hugh Delahunty, local MP at Horsham is way too comfortable in his seat to be bothered rocking the boat.


Meanwhile in Mildura, despite being served by three airlines every day at often outrageous fares, the community and local government support for the reintroduction of a passenger rail service continues strongly. A whole generation has been born who have never seen a daily passenger train to Mildura.


Economists, bean counters and nay-sayers et-al; feel free to comment...

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  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

If I ever need to go to Mildura; I'll fly...

Those figures you boast are actually horrible and good reason to not reintroduce a costly and most certainly little used and lengthy train.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Mike, just out of interest, prior to the Sunlight commencing in 1957, what passenger trains ran to Mildura?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
How about fixing up the system first?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
If I ever need to go to Mildura; I'll fly...
VBAndy
I'd rather drive my own car. I like to get about when I'm up there. Unless a Motorail service is introduced with whatever service they're proposing, I probably won't use it. Good luck to the locals up there who do want their train back though.
  Highrise Assistant Commissioner

"Over 500 letters and submissions"

So, over 500 people have submitted some sort of a demand to bring this train back? What's the population of Mildura? I not a politician, but I'm fairly certain 500 submissions is a laughable effort, unless those 500 people were to catch the train every day of the week...
  vinelander Junior Train Controller

Alas poor Vinelander. I knew it well.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

How hard would it be for a freight operator to whack a couple of carriages on the Fruity and call it a mixed passenger-freight Mildura Express?
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
"Over 500 letters and submissions"

So, over 500 people have submitted some sort of a demand to bring this train back? What's the population of Mildura? I not a politician, but I'm fairly certain 500 submissions is a laughable effort, unless those 500 people were to catch the train every day of the week...
Highrise

It's actually very impressive.  A rule of thumb is that for every written submission to a newspaper it represents about 100 people with sympathetic views.  The premise being that only about 1% of the population will go to the effort of writing what they feel.

In a population of about 30,000, five hundred written submissions is immensely impressive (even if some are no doubt written by the same person).
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
How hard would it be for a freight operator to whack a couple of carriages on the Fruity and call it a mixed passenger-freight Mildura Express?
Carnot

Very hard.
Besides all the red tape, I am sure that they want a fast(er) trip.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The sub-standard condition of the line would be a huge block to any reintroduction of a service, as evidenced by that recent derailment near Ouyen.

Horsham for example has no daily passenger train and there appears to be no local will to introduce a SG VLocity to co-ordinate at Ararat with BG, and Hugh Delahunty, local MP at Horsham is way too comfortable in his seat to be bothered rocking the boat.
Vinelander
Hugh is a really nice bloke (as the local Nats member always is) but he's not interested in the return of the train.  They weren't really interested when Jeff cancelled the train in 1993 and they're still not really interested.  It's a shame because it would probably help with their current tourism push - every time I go back to that place the lack of business and activity is quite pronounced.  It's like stepping back into the fifties.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Mike, just out of interest, prior to the Sunlight commencing in 1957, what passenger trains ran to Mildura?
mikesyd

Courtesy of Mark Bau's VR website... 1954 timetable for Mildura.(I believe the sleeping car was airconditioned) the AZ & BZ saloon cars started to be introduced at this time.

http://www.victorianrailways.net/timetables/1954/1954ttipage31.html

For the record, I can't preach for a return of a passenger train to Mildura without actually using the existing V/Line service. As I have family in Mildura I only travel by V/Line, even though Ballan to Melbourne to pick up the down Swan Hill OR Ballan to Sunshine to Watergardens to pick up the down Swan Hill if I want to cut the journey a bit.

I'll never fly and probably won't bother driving up there again.

Mike.
  oldghan Station Master

Was Mildura ever serviced by a passenger train from Adelaide?  I have always wondered this?
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Was Mildura ever serviced by a passenger train from Adelaide?  I have always wondered this?
"oldghan"


No
As there is no connection to the Adelaide line and the mildura line terminates at mildura.
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Vinelander
So after 20 years of no train and not a chance in hell of there ever being a service to Mildura most normal people would stop banging on about their one trick pony pet project but not you it seems.

How many nursing home residents did it take to post that massive amount of 500 letters eh, or was it a work for the dole project to keep all the local ferals in winnie blues and woodstock cans.

Perhaps it was a letter writing project for all the islanders when they are not fruit picking then.

Whats Milduras population around 30.000 isnt it?
Then 500 letters is an amazingly small amount indeed but at least it kept the aged and ferals busy for an afternoon no doubt.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Vinelander
So after 20 years of no train and not a chance in hell of there ever being a service to Mildura most normal people would stop banging on about their one trick pony pet project but not you it seems.

How many nursing home residents did it take to post that massive amount of 500 letters eh, or was it a work for the dole project to keep all the local ferals in winnie blues and woodstock cans.

Perhaps it was a letter writing project for all the islanders when they are not fruit picking then.

Whats Milduras population around 30.000 isnt it?
Then 500 letters is an amazingly small amount indeed but at least it kept the aged and ferals busy for an afternoon no doubt.
Black Hoppers

Smile

1.  First they ignore you
2.  Then they ridicule you
3.  Then they attack you
4.  Then they lose

It looks like the Mildura train campaign has just now progressed to stage 2.

Smile
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I like Black Hoppers' post.

Not a lot of fact, but some imaginative ideas about fraudulent letter writing. Makes me wonder how he knows of schemes like those.
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
I like Black Hoppers' post.

Not a lot of fact, but some imaginative ideas about fraudulent letter writing. Makes me wonder how he knows of schemes like those.
"Valvegear"


LOL LOL

Yeah by living in a small country town and reading the local rag which has the same old folks writing to complain about nearly everything each week.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

The Vinelander

And how do they expect others that are NOT on that certain site, to see what they want?

Can you at least post it here?
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
And how do they expect others that are NOT on that certain site, to see what they want?

Can you at least post it here?
"Newcastle Express"


800+ members and there is not a single post on there what a pathetic group.
  PClark Chief Commissioner

The significant point surely is that, when the Kennett government withdrew the Mildura rail service, the ALP kicked up one helluva fuss and indicated that a Labor government would restore the service yet, after gaining power and ruling for a decade, they did nothing to restore it.
  Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
I admit that a niggling part of me has always wondered if it'd be possible to extend the Swan Hill line to Mildura, for the sake of being shown as a 'job building' exercise, while sating the residents of Mildura and allowing a 'simple' extension of an existing service. Particularly since the existing Swan Hill line has a relatively high speed. All of this, while standardizing the old line for additional freight benefits.

Of course, a more realistic part of me knows that this would never ever happen.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
I admit that a niggling part of me has always wondered if it'd be possible to extend the Swan Hill line to Mildura, for the sake of being shown as a 'job building' exercise, while sating the residents of Mildura and allowing a 'simple' extension of an existing service. Particularly since the existing Swan Hill line has a relatively high speed. All of this, while standardizing the old line for additional freight benefits.

Of course, a more realistic part of me knows that this would never ever happen.
Flygon
Romantic notion though it may be, a new Broad Gauge line through remote country is an unlikely animal.

Much and all as I have fond memories of the Vinelander (train), and whilst I admire the ambition and persistence of the Mildurans pressing their case, I can't see a realistic case for its re-instatement.  There are other more pressing cases for rail investment in the nation right now.  

Even for Mildura I think the big item will be the potential for standardisation and construction of a new line up to Menindee.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Was Mildura ever serviced by a passenger train from Adelaide?  I have always wondered this?
oldghan
There was never a direct passenger train to Mildura, however it would have been possible in the above 1954 T/T to travel by train from Adelaide to Pinnaroo, Pinnaroo to Ouyen then Ouyen to Mildura, however it would have meant an overnight stop at Ouyen.

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Vinelander
So after 20 years of no train and not a chance in hell of there ever being a service to Mildura most normal people would stop banging on about their one trick pony pet project but not you it seems.

How many nursing home residents did it take to post that massive amount of 500 letters eh, or was it a work for the dole project to keep all the local ferals in winnie blues and woodstock cans.

Perhaps it was a letter writing project for all the islanders when they are not fruit picking then.

Whats Milduras population around 30.000 isnt it?
Then 500 letters is an amazingly small amount indeed but at least it kept the aged and ferals busy for an afternoon no doubt.
Black Hoppers

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