Napthine against all-night public transport proposal

 

News article: Napthine against all-night public transport proposal

Melbourne's public transport would operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week under a proposal a Melbourne city councillor hopes the state government will adopt.

  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Melbourne's public transport would operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week under a proposal a Melbourne city councillor hopes the state government will adopt.

Cr Richard Foster has called on Lord Mayor Robert Doyle and transport portfolio chair Cathy Oke to lobby Public Transport Minister Terry Mulder to introduce all-night public transport to the city, arguing it would reduce crime and benefit the economy.



"We're trying to create a 24-hour international city and it's pretty hard to do that if you're not offering 24-hour public transport as well," Cr Foster said. "It's certainly practical, it's what the public has been calling for for some time, [and] if we seriously want to offer an international city that is safe and vibrant you've got to have an international standard public transport service."
Napthine against all-night public transport proposal


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What do you think?

Personally I think Mr Premier has a point. Whilst it would be possible to run 24-hour buses, 24-hour trains and trams would not be due to the need to perform maintenance.

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
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What do you think?

Personally I think Mr Premier has a point. Whilst it would be possible to run 24-hour buses, 24-hour trains and trams would not be due to the need to perform maintenance.
railblogger
I think that it's rubbish.

Since when has there been maintenance on every line and every train every night. Perhaps there should be for a while to catch up on the arrears of maintenance but they are not doing that now so why use it as excuse for the future.

You could probably argue that it would be murder on such trains but that is another matter.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I think that it's rubbish.

Since when has there been maintenance on every line and every train every night. Perhaps there should be for a while to catch up on the arrears of maintenance but they are not doing that now so why use it as excuse for the future.

You could probably argue that it would be murder on such trains but that is another matter.
YM-Mundrabilla
Even a little maintenance one line at a time is better than no maintenance at all.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Since about 1988, Sydney has had NightRide busses to replace trains on some but not all train lines, and allow for maintenance of the tracks.

Since NightRide operate every night, passengers are used to how they run, and where the bus stops are.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Since about 1988, Sydney has had NightRide busses to replace trains on some but not all train lines, and allow for maintenance of the tracks.

Since NightRide operate every night, passengers are used to how they run, and where the bus stops are.
"awsgc24"
Since then, however, train operation hours have creeped into the NightRide hours (particularly at the morning-after end), and Intercity services operate overnight; the result is that the window for actual perway maintenance is so short as to be useless.
  TempeFox Locomotive Fireman

At least the night ride buses operate out of the city then return on the same route back. When I Lived Sydney at times I had to rely on the City Campbelltown run but was able to use this service to get to and from work in the wee hours as I had no car. Now living in a liveable city I have a car to get to work in 15-20 minutes usually against close to 2 hours using public transport if and only for work between 7am/7pm. But outside these hours is not an option in Sydney by road 30 mins, Train 40 mins and the nightrider around 50-55 mins. Just a reminder this was between Ingleburn and Belmore the only thing against it was the hourly service but I worked around it.

The Fox
  X Class Locomotive Driver

1000 new train services have been introduced each week?   At that rate there'll be 52 000 new services running on Melbourne's system by this time next year.  I'm impressed!
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
1000 new train services have been introduced each week?   At that rate there'll be 52 000 new services running on Melbourne's system by this time next year.  I'm impressed!
"X Class"


I really hope this is good sarcasm.
  Simbera Train Controller

Personally I think it makes the most sense to run trains all night Friday and Saturday, bring the weekend-based NightRiders to the other days of the week, and do any routine track maintenance on weeknights. Then you still have a 24-hour transport system that is catered to the busiest nights but still allows time for maintenance.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I'm not surprised that Napthine's against the idea; he's established a pretty good record of being uninterested in public transport at all.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Personally I think it makes the most sense to run trains all night Friday and Saturday, bring the weekend-based NightRiders to the other days of the week, and do any routine track maintenance on weeknights. Then you still have a 24-hour transport system that is catered to the busiest nights but still allows time for maintenance.
"Simbera"
Ignoring overnight Intercity service, unless we shut down trains at 2200 (approx) or do not operate services until 0600 (approx), the current window is still too short to be useful for engineering works.

There are also security issues. Frankly, we are better off enhancing the NightRide system (as well as overnight service on the CDC and STA networks).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I'm not surprised that Napthine's against the idea; he's established a pretty good record of being uninterested in public transport at all.
Valvegear
Denis Napthine comes from Portland...no PT culture there. Contrast this with former premier Steve Bracks of Regional Fast Rail and the reopened closed/truncated Kennett government lines from the 90's.

Steve Bracks was a regular traveller on the Ballarat line when he lived there, hence his interest in pax rail. I can't imagine Denis Napthine has ever caught a bus from Portland.

John Brumby's lack of interest in PT lost him the 2010 state election.

Horses for courses.

Of course we are approaching a time when PT will become 24 hours, unlikely under the Napthine government though and when maintenance needs to be undertaken, buses will suffice as they do in London when the same thing occurs.

Mike.
  Simbera Train Controller

Ignoring overnight Intercity service, unless we shut down trains at 2200 (approx) or do not operate services until 0600 (approx), the current window is still too short to be useful for engineering works.
Watson374
I was basing that on Napthine's statement that they can't run 24hr trains because they do things overnight. I've seen similar reasoning from more train-friendly people in the past, too, so I assume it's true. I would have no idea what those things might be - presumably not major trackwork, but also presumably something we can't just let go undone.

Of course it would be possible to run a train system 24hrs a day at some point in the future (other cities do it) but it's a question of how difficult that is, how expensive that is, and whether it's worth it for the amount it gets used. I'd say - it will be, but not yet. Hence just weekend trains and weekday NightRiders, for now.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I was basing that on Napthine's statement that they can't run 24hr trains because they do things overnight.
Simbera

That explains why we have so many signal failures - the poor maintenance blokes can't see what they're doing in the dark.Shocked

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