SAR/CR Trivia #24

 
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The 500 stabled at Murray Bridge used to be stabled on the remains of the line to the old bridge through the cutting. That was what it was used for mainly in the end.

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  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The 500 stabled at Murray Bridge used to be stabled on the remains of the line to the old bridge through the cutting. That was what it was used for mainly in the end.
David Peters
I heard a rumour years ago that the 700 class tenders were cut down as shunting dummies for the 500s to be used at Murray Bridge after one unit slid down the grade to the wharf. Said unit got towed back to Adelaide with flats on its wheels.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Hilra?
xdford
HI AFULE,

Did I actually answer the question? If not...

I should not add afterthoughts should I?

Regards

Trevor
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
HI AFULE,

Did I actually answer the question? If not...

I should not add afterthoughts should I?

Regards

Trevor
xdford
Sorry Trevor, yes you did


Regards

Rex
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Sorry Trevor, yes you did


Regards

Rex
AFULE
Not a problem Rex... in fact have another go! I seem to steal your thunder too quickly mate!

Trevor
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I heard a rumour years ago that the 700 class tenders were cut down as shunting dummies for the 500s to be used at Murray Bridge after one unit slid down the grade to the wharf. Said unit got towed back to Adelaide with flats on its wheels.
steam4ian
There were two of these made one was a 710 tender cut down and the other was a 740 tender cut down from memory, I have seen them both. They were both used at Tailem Bend in the yard and were coded BT1 & 2.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

No movement for a few weeks so another quickie question - I expect AFULE will be able to answer it fairly quickly but it would be of interest to the historians among us...

What was the major effect of metrication in 1973 on the general operations of trains?

Regards

Trevor
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
...train max speeds changed from mph to km/h....but initially it was only a direct conversion eg passenger trains had to operate at 96km/h until eventually increased to 100km/h (and later again increased to 110 km/h on concrete sleepers).
Fast and Express goods trains working on ie 35mph and 50mph...went to 60km/h and 80km/h.8)
  xdford Chief Train Controller

...train max speeds changed from mph to km/h....but initially it was only a direct conversion eg passenger trains had to operate at 96km/h until eventually increased to 100km/h (and later again increased to 110 km/h on concrete sleepers).
Fast and Express goods trains working on ie 35mph and 50mph...went to 60km/h and 80km/h.8)
Top Cat
It was train speed that changed... Loco hauled Passenger trains went from a top of 60 mph to 95 kph and Bluebirds went from 70 mph to 110 kph or a drop of about 2-3 mph. I am not sure how long that all lasted and when it went up. Trains with 4 wheelers went from a 35 limit to 55kph or about a 1 mph drop. The issue was the major positions of the "marker speeds" and the drivers were more used to seeing the needle positions than what they actually read...

Over to you TC but please keep it going...

Trevor
  xdford Chief Train Controller

It was train speed that changed... Loco hauled Passenger trains went from a top of 60 mph to 95 kph and Bluebirds went from 70 mph to 110 kph or a drop of about 2-3 mph. I am not sure how long that all lasted and when it went up. Trains with 4 wheelers went from a 35 limit to 55kph or about a 1 mph drop. The issue was the major positions of the "marker speeds" and the drivers were more used to seeing the needle positions than what they actually read...

Over to you TC but please keep it going...

Trevor
xdford
Obviously no one wants this one so we will try again

On the Old SAR up till the mid 1970's anyway what was the furthest distance you could travel in Rail miles within a 24 hour period and where would you have gone to achieve that mileage?  I am prepared that the distance I recorded would or could be beaten sometime - Timetable to back it up! Hosk proably should not do this as he was with me at the time but it might get the brain going mate if you can recall!

Cheers

Trevor
  Guard Class 2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Elizabeth,South Australia
Just to start the ball rolling, and a total stab in the dark:

I would have thought it was possible to travel perhaps from Mt. Gambier on the Blue Lake daytime service and arrive in Adelaide in time to catch at the very least a train to Peterborough, but possibly even make it to Broken Hill on an overnight service.
All up distance would have to be close to 1,000Kms.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Just to start the ball rolling, and a total stab in the dark:

I would have thought it was possible to travel perhaps from Mt. Gambier on the Blue Lake daytime service and arrive in Adelaide in time to catch at the very least a train to Peterborough, but possibly even make it to Broken Hill on an overnight service.
All up distance would have to be close to 1,000Kms.
Guard Class 2
Hi there Guard,

I guess that would be possible on a Friday Leave Mt Gambier 305 miles then evening to Peterborough on the Broken Hill express... about 330 (?) or so ... the distance I had in mind and in fact did (with Hosk) was 700 miles (plus or minus a mile or two depending on the measure you use) and if we had been really keen we could have gone a bit further... not too much just a little bit! That probably gives a clue! Anyone else care to guess what we did or is there a better combination?

Cheers

Trevor
  xdford Chief Train Controller

No takers at the moment?
On  a Monday in May 72 , Hosk and I left on the Peterborough Bluebird as I recall at 8:50am, travelled to Peterborough (154 rail miles) then returned about 5 pm and got on the Overland at 7. Could have done a Suburban trip in between but didn't... got back in at 9am next morning for just on 700 rail miles... but maybe there are others!

The floor is open or maybe I can come up with another one!

Cheers
Trevor

As a follow on to Pressman - I have no idea why so small either Tony!  Cheers Mate!  Perhaps you have a bit of Trivia?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
For those of us without a magnifying glass.........
Trevor said ...
"No takers at the moment?
On  a Monday in May 72 , Hosk and I left on the Peterborough Bluebird as I recall at 8:50am, travelled to Peterborough (154 rail miles) then returned about 5 pm and got on the Overland at 7. Could have done a Suburban trip in between but didn't... got back in at 9am next morning for just on 700 rail miles... but maybe there are others!

The floor is open or maybe I can come up with another one!

Cheers
Trevor
"

No idea why the font turned out so small!
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

I'm away from home, but back in 1970-something I rode the Friday night pass from Broken Hill, changed at Peterborough for Adelaide, and then home to Melbourne on the Overland. I guess that between the Peterborough pass arriving at Adelaide and the Overland departure there might have been time for a return trip somewhere.

How many miles is Broken Hill-Serviceton, the base route I took?
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Better keep the ball rolling!!

I may be wrong in remembering it this way but there is some current discussion about stations that trains terminate at intermediate locations. However there was one station that a train stopped at and went back to Adelaide ONCE per week up to AFAIR the early 1970's... or maybe it was fractionally earlier. There were quite a few trains through the location... which station and what train?

Trevor
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Better keep the ball rolling!!

I may be wrong in remembering it this way but there is some current discussion about stations that trains terminate at intermediate locations. However there was one station that a train stopped at and went back to Adelaide ONCE per week up to AFAIR the early 1970's... or maybe it was fractionally earlier. There were quite a few trains through the location... which station and what train?

Trevor
xdford
No takers or is the interest not there any more?
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Glanville?  On Saturdays a train terminated there around midday, and returned to Adelaide.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Glanville?  On Saturdays a train terminated there around midday, and returned to Adelaide.
duttonbay
Hi "Dutton"

I was not aware of this one so maybe it is an alternative answer... as has happened before in this forum. I presume that one was to take Saturday shoppers home?

It is the wrong line on the right day  - in fact it is the diametrically wrong direction - not that I want to give it away!

What would be interesting is why the train I am talking about ran where it did!

I'll give it a day or two...

Cheers

Trevor
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

What about Long Gully then. 383 terminated there at 10:29am and returned as 322. Perhaps the reason was to connect with the Second Division of the Overland, but I have no real idea.

The Glanville service I mentioned returned to Adelaide with every stop listed as pick-up or set-down if required.
  xdford Chief Train Controller

What about Long Gully then. 383 terminated there at 10:29am and returned as 322. Perhaps the reason was to connect with the Second Division of the Overland, but I have no real idea.

The Glanville service I mentioned returned to Adelaide with every stop listed as pick-up or set-down if required.
duttonbay
Hi there,

You have got exactly what I was thinking of - If you have a WTT I presume you have a fuller picture than I do so I think it just ran Saturdays or did it run during the week. The only thing I can think of is that Bridgewater would have been served by the 9:00 (or was it 8:50) Down Victor and by an Up Tailem Bend Passenger... the capacity would have been well served!

Over to you Dutton!

Trevor
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

If you have a WTT I presume you have a fuller picture than I do so I think it just ran Saturdays or did it run during the week. The only thing I can think of is that Bridgewater would have been served by the 9:00 (or was it 8:50) Down Victor and by an Up Tailem Bend Passenger... the capacity would have been well served!
"xdford"

Although I can see the trains in the WTT, I don't know why they ran. The 9:00 Victor bluebird was pick-up only at Bridgewater, but there was a 9:15 redhen which arrived at Bridgewater only 19 minutes after the Victor, despite stopping all stations.
On the Up on Saturday morning Bridgewater passengers had the 8:49 redhen, the Pinaroo/Tailem Bend at 10:23 and another redhen at 10:53. The Up Victor bluebird was set-down only.

Looking at the timetable, Long Gully had a very odd service. On weekdays only one down train was scheduled to stop there at 8:19am (it had a cross - others stopped on request), and on the up three scheduled stoppers (again for crosses). Reading "The Overland Railway" I see that Long Gully had a lay-by siding facing down trains for stabling picnic trains, removed in 1973.

I remember going there and photographing a couple of trains in 1980 - it was a hard place to take a decent photo.

I shall try and find another trivia question shortly
  xdford Chief Train Controller

Three months is probably enough to leave this segment alone ...

Railfans often have obtuse names for different parts of the system and for different locomotives etc. Which loco was known as Killer and how did it earn that nickname?

It'll probably go off quick but anyway!

Regards

Trevor
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
In my time on the "job", engine 908 was "killer" after a fatal level crossing smash near Middleton c1970 - 5 deaths in the one smash and 908 went on to kill 2 more people in separate l-xing smashes....I'm sure some steam engines had similar 'in house' nick names. Sad
  xdford Chief Train Controller

In my time on the "job", engine 908 was "killer" after a fatal level crossing smash near Middleton c1970 - 5 deaths in the one smash and 908 went on to kill 2 more people in separate l-xing smashes....I'm sure some steam engines had similar 'in house' nick names. Sad
Top Cat
Spot on TC and I think there was also an incident involving 908 in the early 60's which was a bit before my recorded memory as to the event... All yours unless you want not to ...

Trevor

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