Extending Werribee electrificed services to West Werribee

 
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Apologies if this has already been discussed.  

Under the current project how will the needs for passengers between Newport and Werribee heading to Geelong be covered?  Will there be an extension of the Werribee METRO services to West Werribee so they may transfer to Vline services to Geelong?

If this is not in the current project do people here thing this to be an oversight?

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Would seem a good idea and being discussed on twitter at the present time:



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Brian
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Apologies if this has already been discussed.  

Under the current project how will the needs for passengers between Newport and Werribee heading to Geelong be covered?  Will there be an extension of the Werribee METRO services to West Werribee so they may transfer to Vline services to Geelong?

If this is not in the current project do people here thing this to be an oversight?
JimYarin
AFAIK in the original proposal, Werribee sparks were to be extended to West Werribee where the RRL branches off.

However now we have the 'economy' version of the RRL, I believe a bus will operate to Werribee until funds are available to extend the wires to West Werribee.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It would be interesting to know what cost this would have been to complete and also as a percentage of the total cost of the project.  Only in Victoria would we see much narrow mindedness.

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Brian
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
It would be interesting to know what cost this would have been to complete and also as a percentage of the total cost of the project.  Only in Victoria would we see much narrow mindedness.

Regards
Brian
bevans
I don't think it would have cost that much, given that all that would be needed is electrification of the existing line.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I'm guessing that the govt are just expecting Werribee people to make their own way to and from Wyndham Vale Station?  Or perhaps they will schedule a few peak hour Geelong trains through Newport - Werribee instead?
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
According to the Network Development Plan the Werribee line will be extended to Wyndham Vale during stage 4, or around the time the Clifton Hill-Southern Cross tunnel gets extended to Fishermans Bend - supposedly within 20 years.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
After current RRL works are complete (end of 2014 it looks likely to be) ALL V/line trains to Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo as well as any other terminus on those lines will use the new alignment. There will be NO Geelong peak hour trains going via Newport. The current plan is to have Regular buses going between Wyndham Vale and Werribee stations. There is no station planned for any location called West Werribee.

Sometime in the future a new electrified line linking Werribee and Wyndham Vale (and possibly Tarneit as well) is planned which will form a triangle at West Werribee junction. There is no current funding for this line however and future funding is not likely with the current governments (both state and federal).
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
After current RRL works are complete (end of 2014 it looks likely to be) ALL V/line trains to Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo as well as any other terminus on those lines will use the new alignment. There will be NO Geelong peak hour trains going via Newport. The current plan is to have Regular buses going between Wyndham Vale and Werribee stations. There is no station planned for any location called West Werribee.

Sometime in the future a new electrified line linking Werribee and Wyndham Vale (and possibly Tarneit as well) is planned which will form a triangle at West Werribee junction. There is no current funding for this line however and future funding is not likely with the current governments (both state and federal).
Gman_86
I think this no easy connection between Werribee and Geelong line will become a hot issue for the local community / electorate
The project may be brought forwards on political grounds.

A bus connecting the two stations would be hopelessly slow getting court In gridlock traffic.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
I think this no easy connection between Werribee and Geelong line will become a hot issue for the local community / electorate
The project may be brought forwards on political grounds.

A bus connecting the two stations would be hopelessly slow getting court In gridlock traffic.
Nightfire

So, there would be no services between Werribee and Werribee West junction.

So would this existing (broad gauge) line close?
  Simbera Train Controller

So, there would be no services between Werribee and Werribee West junction.

So would this existing (broad gauge) line close?
Calgully
Surely it would be kept operational, if only for Geelong trains to run on in the event of disruptions on the line via Sunshine?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Surely it would be kept operational, if only for Geelong trains to run on in the event of disruptions on the line via Sunshine?
Simbera

Goods line !
  712M Chief Commissioner

Ideally the RRL would've been built as quad tracks so sparks could run City - Newport - Werribee - Sunshine - City. I wonder how long it will take people to realise that Geelong trains are packed as it is before cramming suburban pax from Tarneit and Wyndham Vale who will expect a 25 minute express trip to the city on V/Line. 40 extra VLocity cars can only go so far over 5 lines.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Ideally the RRL would've been built as quad tracks so sparks could run City - Newport - Werribee - Sunshine - City. I wonder how long it will take people to realise that Geelong trains are packed as it is before cramming suburban pax from Tarneit and Wyndham Vale who will expect a 25 minute express trip to the city on V/Line. 40 extra VLocity cars can only go so far over 5 lines.
712M

On average that is 8 new sets per line.  How many additional services could you provide on the Geelong Line with 8 additional sets? 4 additional timetabled services?

So we spend $5b+ and Geelong commuters get 4 additional daily services?

Regards
Brian
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
On average that is 8 new sets per line.  How many additional services could you provide on the Geelong Line with 8 additional sets? 4 additional timetabled services?

So we spend $5b+ and Geelong commuters get 4 additional daily services?

Regards
Brian
bevans
As far as I know, the government ordered 40 carriages, 19 of which are to be inserted into existing 2-car sets.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The BG line between Werribee and 'West Werribee Junction' will not close and will be used by freight services. It will possibly also see the odd diverted V/Line passenger service. Goods Trains will not be travelling via the new line they will continue to travel via Newport
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Would seem a good idea and being discussed on twitter at the present time:



Regards
Brian
bevans
How about extending the Werribee services to Avalon airport?
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
How about extending the Werribee services to Avalon airport?
melbtrip
How about you go away.....

Dave
  scollyalan Station Staff

If Geelong services ever become 20 minute frequency during off peak and if the line to West Werribee doesn't get electrified, what's to stop one train from Geelong per hour travelling via Werribee to directly serve the needs of Werribee and Newport customers without having to change to a bus or another service. Surely one path per hour shouldn't be hard to find, and even in peak hour, one should be able to squeeze in one regional train via Werribee. This would provide diversity in the travel needs for Geelong people, particularly if they have already had to travel to one of the Geelong stations via bus.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
If Geelong services ever become 20 minute frequency during off peak and if the line to West Werribee doesn't get electrified, what's to stop one train from Geelong per hour travelling via Werribee to directly serve the needs of Werribee and Newport customers without having to change to a bus or another service. Surely one path per hour shouldn't be hard to find, and even in peak hour, one should be able to squeeze in one regional train via Werribee. This would provide diversity in the travel needs for Geelong people, particularly if they have already had to travel to one of the Geelong stations via bus.
scollyalan

FAT chance of Metro letting any V/Line trains through their network during peak times.

Metro would be likely to only provide a handful of paths though Newport (during the off peak) for BG goods trains and BG transfers to and from the workshops.

If there was enough demand, V/Line might put on a Geelong - Werribee shuttle train, as Werribee station can facilitate train turnbacks.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
FAT chance of Metro letting any V/Line trains through their network during peak times.

Metro would be likely to only provide a handful of paths though Newport (during the off peak) for BG goods trains and BG transfers to and from the workshops.

If there was enough demand, V/Line might put on a Geelong - Werribee shuttle train, as Werribee station can facilitate train turnbacks.
Nightfire
IN stage 4  of the  PTV plan - Based on the  the Geelong train service should  able to run  via  both Werribee and Sunshine.

This based on stage 4 electrification to Geelong planned to happen.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
IN stage 4  of the  PTV plan - Based on the  the Geelong train service should  able to run  via  both Werribee and Sunshine.

This based on stage 4 electrification to Geelong planned to happen.
melbtrip
That depends on whether they can be bothered electrifying the line from Werribee to Manor Junction, as well as the amount of capacity at that time.
  TrackRailroad Junior Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
This is ridiculous. The line beyond Werribee is already existing and electrifying to Werribee West will allow improved transport connections and give Werribee West residents more train services.

Currently there is a fair share of people who use Newport/ Werribee etc to commute to Geelong. I doubt many of them will take a bus to Wyndham Vale and than change trains. Geelong is a major regional Victorian city and the government should provide the funding to extend the Werribee line one extra stop.

I bet they will build the Werribee West electrification, probably in 10 years or so, at a considerable greater cost! This government is so stupid
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Well not stupid, just broke. This project is the biggest infrastructure project for many years and it's costing eleventy squillion dollars (or something like that). And unlike small projects, we all know that big projects tend to go over budget.

Victoria gets most of it's income from G.S.T. and stamp duty, and receipts from both have been down in recent years. But other government costs like wages and rent and infrastructure projects cost more each year. So it doesn't matter which party is government, they would need to cut costs.

I reckon we should be grateful that "this government" somehow found the cash to build this thing, even without any of the optional extras.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

All good valid points but won't be happening for awhile yet.
Take my word for it.

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