Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The DPTI are now capable of time travel

http://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/RR/rail_revitalisation/multimedia_gallery
Milkomeda
Not even DPTI believe they are running late enough, now they need to fudge the dates to make themselves look later...

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  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I have heard and used "look ahead programming" but I think that is optimistic.

Note the date on the captions.

The reporting on the system development has become Orwellian.  Check your calendar to make sure the years is not 1984.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Why do BikeSA need another non road crossing?
"Aaron"
Because the nearest safe crossings of the river to that area are at the Torrens Lake weir and Frome Road. Everything else between is not fit for use as an efficient transport route due to moron motorists and dumb dog walkers.
Given that it both starts and ends in incorrect locations on both sides of the river... The northern end would be more sensibly terminated on the northern side of Memorial Drive, and the southern end should terminate at the Convention Centre/Festival Theatre 'plaza' in line with glass footbridge toward ARS... But we wouldn't want to be too sensible about these things.
"Aaron"
The northern end is in the right spot. War Memorial Drive is already closed to through traffic before/during/after Strikers T20 games and Australia home games to manage traffic in the area effectively, nothing will be changing there any time soon. The bridge is better off landing at street level and being fit for use on non-match days as a link to the Torrens Linear Park from the other side of the river than it would be flying over the road and making linear park users cross the road at times when it is open.

At the southern end I understand that modifications are to be made in that area to make a good access route through to the northern station entrance in place of the current mess which requires going up, down and around in the bowels of the Festival Centre to get from the station to Elder Park. The only merit I can see with putting it to the upper level would be the amusement of seeing the SkyCity staff go spare as tens of thousands of football fans are herded through their outdoor dining area way to the trains after a match!
Not even DPTI believe they are running late enough, now they need to fudge the dates to make themselves look later...
"Aaron"
Either that or it's a very good CGI impression of what the lift installation will look like in two weeks' time.

Nice to see the little rogues' gallery at the bottom, now we know both who to blame and what they look like.

The reporting on the system development has become Orwellian.  Check your calendar to make sure the years is not 1984.
"steam4ian"
Some might approve of that - it would mean an open-air station at Adelaide, Red Hens and Bluebirds running beyond Belair and the biggest controversy around development being whether the airport would be up to the logistical challenges involved with hosting the first Grand Prix next year.

On a more serious level, it hardly inspires confidence in them having done the important stuff right.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Good news everyone, the rosters for the reopening of the Seaford Line to Noarlunga have been released to the relevant parties for the 6 week prior to implementation consultation. So not long now gents!
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Count down!
  Scooter_Guy Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA. Suburb: Redwood Park
Good news everyone, the rosters for the reopening of the Seaford Line to Noarlunga have been released to the relevant parties for the 6 week prior to implementation consultation. So not long now gents!
Jumbo2001
So November it is?
Bloody hell! The line has been closed for nearly a WHOLE year!
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Someone should post this information on the Noarlunga Commuters facebook group there will be alot of people happy to hear this (I'm unable to)

EDIT: Was just thinking if you are rostered onto the Noarlunga Line in 6 weeks that would mean the DPTI aren't concerned about possible issues with the underpass or are  you rostered to test the line in 6 weeks?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Presumably night/weekend works for the remaining bits of the 25kv installation.

People who were regular users will be pleased to hear that it's finally coming back -
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
This just means that 6 weeks is the minimum time to trains back, not the maximum time...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
True enough.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

This just means that 6 weeks is the minimum time to trains back, not the maximum time...
Aaron

Not quite true, they have been known to go around the 'rules' regarding posting new master rosters and set workings, and implement sooner than 6 weeks. In any instance, late November seems to be the case for the resumption of Noarlunga services.

Line handover/training/familiarisation for qualified drivers will occur before the line is open to the public.

So it is a wait and see this space moment really!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Not quite true, they have been known to go around the 'rules' regarding posting new master rosters and set workings, and implement sooner than 6 weeks. In any instance, late November seems to be the case for the resumption of Noarlunga services.

Line handover/training/familiarisation for qualified drivers will occur before the line is open to the public.

So it is a wait and see this space moment really!
"Jumbo2001"
How many colleagues do you have that have never seen Tonsley?
  Halo Chief Train Controller

6 weeks make it December doesn't it?

I'm not holding my breath by any means.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

That means we WILL be getting weekend closures on the Noarlunga Line for the first couple of weeks or so
  DrJames Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
6 weeks make it December doesn't it?

I'm not holding my breath by any means.
Halo

Nov 26 by my reckoning - much of a muchness though really.

Am I remembering incorrectly or was it rumoured that another January shutdown would be in order? that wouldn't be a good look for the department, open for a month then closed again.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
How many colleagues do you have that have never seen Tonsley?
Aaron
Major changes have been made to these lines Aaron, the flyover at Goodwood being one unknown out there, the swapping of the tracks between Adelaide and Goodwood is another along with new signal placements and works at the junction for the Tonsley line are but just a few things that all drivers will have to be taught and shown before they can drive a railcar on this run. It is called learning the route and is a must if no foul ups are to be made in running. The line itself could almost be counted as a totally new line driver wise that is. So a lot of route learning and retraining looks to be the go here for all drivers.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

How many colleagues do you have that have never seen Tonsley?
Aaron

Quite a few actually, I think the number is between 20 and 30. I've seen a list, its a growing board since it has been closed so long.

Also, it appears it may be going the full 8 weeks of consultation/correction/implementation on the new rosters, so mid December seems more likely (again suggesting around the 15th of December to ensure no closures are needed).
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/south/state-government-refusing-to-confirm-when-noarlunga-rail-line-will-reopen/story-fni9llv7-1226740202621

THE State Government is refusing to assure commuters the Noarlunga rail line will be open by early December, members of a southern rail group say.

The Noarlunga Line Commuters 2013 Facebook group met with Transport Minister Tom Koutsantonis and Transport Department chief executive Rod Hook last Friday, October 11.
Members used the meeting to seek assurances the line would reopen by the end of November, as previously stated by the government.
However, group member Sarah Thomas said Mr Koutsantonis failed to provide clear answers.
"I asked the Minister to confirm the date of the reopening as 60 days from the end of September, which would mean trains would be back on line by the end of November," Ms Thomas, of Onkaparinga Hills, said. "He did not answer the question but smiled and nodded."

Ms Thomas said commuters were frustrated by the lack of information and demanded the department be "more transparent".
Fellow group member Derek Finch, of Hove, said he was pleased Mr Koutsantonis was meeting regularly with the group to listen to its concerns.
However, he said members were increasingly annoyed with the lack of action on key issues, particularly setting a date for the line's reopening. "We feel our concerns are not being met with the gravity it deserves," Mr Finch said.
In an emailed statement, a Transport Department spokeswoman said services were expected to be back on track 45-60 days from the original reopen date of ­September.


"While (the Transport Department) cannot provide a specific date, we are confident that services will return by December," the spokeswoman said.
The group had asked the Transport Department to investigate an express bus service from Seaford.
Ms Thomas said department staff told the group at last week's meeting, it would consider an express service if more than 20 people used the existing Seaford to Noarlunga shuttle.
A user group will be formed to discuss timetables for the electric trains in the coming months.
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  redadare Junior Train Controller

Location: Flagstaff Hill
Overhead wiring has commenced at Ascot Park.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Quite a few actually, I think the number is between 20 and 30. I've seen a list, its a growing board since it has been closed so long.
"Jumbo2001"
David, this is the answer I was looking for, I know it to be about 30 drivers hired since Tonsley closed, but I wanted to get it from a(nother) driver...

So Mr Jumbo, training for Tonsley, two sighting trips for you guys and six for the newbies? - Not a completely new line David.

What's the training schedule likely to look like? Driver trainers, Seaford depot guys, seniors, everyone else?
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

David, this is the answer I was looking for, I know it to be about 30 drivers hired since Tonsley closed, but I wanted to get it from a(nother) driver...

So Mr Jumbo, training for Tonsley, two sighting trips for you guys and six for the newbies? - Not a completely new line David.

What's the training schedule likely to look like? Driver trainers, Seaford depot guys, seniors, everyone else?
Aaron

It really depends on which method they choose. Six for newbies definitely, and that is six that they must drive themselves. Previously qualified drivers will probably have one trip with a Driver Trainer, or maybe two if they need it. This is how we reorientated everyone on the Belair line. I would suggest given the layout changes/etc, that the driving a trip with a Driver Trainer will be how we do it.

Well going on the rosters, there is no Tonsley's due for when Noarlunga reopens, but I could be wrong. So people trained first will be Driver Trainers, Seniors as needed, and then everyone else as they are rostered to operate a Noarlunga service.

When Belair reopened, we had the few days of running to timetable with no passengers, and they just had a group of Driver Trainers scheduled to go on every trip, as it was the easiest way to pick up drivers. Anyone that wasn't rostered was shuffled around and put through. Pretty well it was all sorted with in a fortnight.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Wow, 180+ driver only non revenue trips to Tonsley plus initial trainer escorted trips when it finally opens for accreditation alone. That will take some time.
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
It really depends on which method they choose. Six for newbies definitely, and that is six that they must drive themselves. Previously qualified drivers will probably have one trip with a Driver Trainer, or maybe two if they need it.. . . . . . . .
Jumbo2001

Interesting info on the training procedures.  Is there any differentiation between daylight and night-time driving?  E.g. Do the newbies have to do a minimum number of trips driving the route in the dark, or is it just six trips total?
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
So with Adelaide Oval being used for the December Ashes test and with the government going on about everyone taking public transport to the oval, if the Noarlunga line isn't open, how will the people from that area get there?

Oh wait, they can drive and make it more of a gridlock than it already will be.
  Scooter_Guy Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA. Suburb: Redwood Park
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/south/state-government-refusing-to-confirm-when-noarlunga-rail-line-will-reopen/story-fni9llv7-1226740202621
nscaler69
2013, oh what a year!Embarassed
I definitely hope everything in Noarlunga will be back to normal!

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