Train Tracker - Train Location system GOOOOONE???

 
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hi to all,

Can anyone confirm if the above date of June 1st is still correct?
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It depends on who you talk to - some say yes, some say no. It might very well be that the external version is taken down, but internal versions will continue. I imagine we'll find out soon though.

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  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

1st of June today and it's still working.
  Allrail Beginner

It is currently in the process of being shut down.

I believe the only reason that the new Train Tracker is not a available to public is that the train owners haven't give their ok for the train information to go public.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Well, the June deadline for all locos to have ICE that want to use the ARTC network has arrived. What is going to happen come July if (highly likely) that operators have not met this requirement? Will the current TLS still function until the formal change over?
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
Well, the June deadline for all locos to have ICE that want to use the ARTC network has arrived. What is going to happen come July if (highly likely) that operators have not met this requirement? Will the current TLS still function until the formal change over?
seb2351
ICE is also applicable for the JHR CRN.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
That looks very C#, Cootanee
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Guys, At approx. 15:00PM Today, The System was decommissioned

Kind Regards
  hellraiser Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle, NSW
Oh well some people won't cope, others will go back to old school train spotting which is just sitting around all day and for the rest of us mobile phone bill will increase.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Oh well some people won't cope, others will go back to old school train spotting which is just sitting around all day and for the rest of us mobile phone bill will increase.
hellraiser
The sky is falling.

I wonder how many dribbly e-mails that poor address will be subjected to by outraged gunzels. They will no doubt add the line "give me the new version... I swear I won't share it..."
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
For the record, I rarely used the old TLS, to me its interface wasn't very easy to use, particularly on a tablet. I used it maybe 8 times, to track the Broken Hill XPlorer.

Ah well, back to luck (or lack thereof, if you're me)
  VP185 Station Staff

RIP Train Tracker.. It made my XPT spotting a very efficient process. It was good while it lasted.
  buddha Beginner

Guys,

If you google 'ARTC NTCS' you can find some technical papers on the ICE radio which provides a fair bit of detail on how they work.    Basically ICE is a unit that integrates Telstra NextG, Iridium (satellite), UHF and GPS receiver.   ICE units, becuase they have NextG capability should be reporting their train position more frequently than the older CountryNet units which used an ageing Optus satellite (slow & expensive data).

cheers
Bud
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Guys,

If you google 'ARTC NTCS' you can find some technical papers on the ICE radio which provides a fair bit of detail on how they work.    Basically ICE is a unit that integrates Telstra NextG, Iridium (satellite), UHF and GPS receiver.   ICE units, becuase they have NextG capability should be reporting their train position more frequently than the older CountryNet units which used an ageing Optus satellite (slow & expensive data).

cheers
Bud
buddha

I understand the train position might be updated using an SMS.  Is this correct?

Regards
Brian
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I understand the train position might be updated using an SMS.  Is this correct?

Regards
Brian
bevans
Brian, I can't comment on this particular aspect of it, but my understanding is (mostly gleamed from looking over shoulders when people are using software relating to the new radios) that each ICE unit has a phone number and can be contacted as if it was a personal mobile phone. Given that the Metronet radio system used in the Sydney metropolitan area has the ability to send and receive text messages, I imagine it wouldn't be a stretch for this new system to have similar functionality.
  buddha Beginner

Brian,

Spot on.  The ICE transmits data messages that contain detail on the train:  latitude, lomngitude, track km, loco stock number, Run number, train speed (at time of transition)

Budds
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
Guys,

If you google 'ARTC NTCS' you can find some technical papers on the ICE radio which provides a fair bit of detail on how they work.    Basically ICE is a unit that integrates Telstra NextG, Iridium (satellite), UHF and GPS receiver.   ICE units, becuase they have NextG capability should be reporting their train position more frequently than the older CountryNet units which used an ageing Optus satellite (slow & expensive data).

cheers
Bud
buddha

There is also an NTCS thread Idea

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11369111.htm
  Allrail Beginner

Got a response from the email address on the Waynet page

"CountryNet Train Tracker has been decommissioned.  The current Train Location System is for Rail Operators and Track Owners only at this time.

A publicly available version is currently being developed and more information will be made public in the future

Regards

National Train Communications System Team

ARTC"

The rumours I heard are right about them making a public version
  buddha Beginner

Yep, the ARTC product is called '4Trak'  There is an app for 4Trak for smart phones in the Google Play store, maybe even iTunes.

So I reckon we will be getting access to a public version of 4Trak that protects some data such as ICE telephone numbers.

Buddha
  Steve82 Junior Train Controller

Any new news on when 4Trak might be available??
  buddha Beginner

I am hopeful that 4Trak will be available in October.  Will put up a post as soon as my ARTC colleagues let me know.
  Zodiac Junior Train Controller

Location: The Never Never
I wonder if 4Trak will end up like Webtrak , everything delayed by 20 minutes before becoming so you little terrorist scamps can't do any naughty train bombings.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
I wonder if 4Trak will end up like Webtrak , everything delayed by 20 minutes before becoming so you little terrorist scamps can't do any naughty train bombings.
Zodiac

Lawrence and his followers were doing that almost a century ago. No train tracking app required Wink
  cuthbert Train Controller

Lawrence and his followers were doing that almost a century ago. No train tracking app required Wink
cootanee
Yes, and I'm sure they took a couple of extra horses to eat in case the train was delayed by a day or three back then!
  X'Trapolis-904M Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
not working for me
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
What? Your brain or train tracker?

Because train tracker has been unavailable for many months - and if you'd bothered to actually read the thread you would know that. Rolling Eyes

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