Labor Government now saying "Electric trains to Salisbury"

 
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Plans to electrify the Gawler train line in Adelaide are back on the rails, but only as far as Salisbury.
The South Australian Government said it had revised the $152 million project and planned to save $20 million by using power from an augmented substation at Kilburn.
Transport Minister Tom Koutsantonis, said re-scoping the project had freed up money for the electrification work.
"They've been able now to augment our substation. To build a contingency rather than building a stand-alone substation, we're able to augment one at Kilburn which will give us the capacity to run trains, if we want, to Elizabeth," he said.
The electrification plan for the Gawler line was suspended last year due to budget concerns.
Premier Jay Weatherill said he now hoped electric trains would operate as far as Salisbury from 2016.
Diesel train services will still run from the city to serve the stations between Salisbury and Gawler


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-22/electric-trains-plan-back-on-the-rails-salisbury/5037854?section=sa

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  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

They are desperate. Consider the timing.

It does however make sense if they are going as far as Dry Creek.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Meanwhile in Elizabeth, Smithfield and Gawler "Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"

But seriously this 30 year transport plan and this announcement of electric services to Salisbury really makes it sound like the Labour SA government is really desperate to get voters before the election
  yoyoman Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
Right now that 'found' $20 million would be better spent on the hospital system or law enforcement.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Milko

My apologies, I always saw you as starry eyed, now I see you are a cynical as I.

Welcome to the club. Wink

Ian
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If anyone believes this is going to happen, I have an election result to sell them.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
If anyone believes this is going to happen, I have an election result to sell them.
Aaron
Jamie, must have given you a heads up.

People can blame Labour all they want, but with the bunch of five year olds currently in charge things are looking decidedly grim for rail in Australia.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Wow, it's as if Bing here can read the future.

Bastard Liberals pull plug on federal funding for Gawler line.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/federal-government-pulls-plug-on-76m-gawler-line-electrification/story-e6frg6n6-1226745622546
Yeah typical, we can't have anything remotely nice any more,

Aaron et all, go get the funding back if your so smart. Go on try it, prove you aren't all defeatists with no ability to change the outcome of anything.

ps: The liberals are also bitching about the 30 year plan, and refusing to pay the $2m it cost. $2m well spent just for the fact it annoys them.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

It all depends on which group of 5 years to which Bing was referring.
Options:
  1. The new Federal Government.
  2. The group mucking about at electrifying a railway.
  3. The people who wrote the so called transport plan.
Comment:
  1. The Feds can hardly be condemned for pulling funding to do work on a rail system that it is so vital to Adelaide that we can do without it for months. The State government have thus declared that their priorities are not transporting passengers but about getting votes; remember it was the State that cancelled the Gawler electrification to favour Seaford (more marginal seats).
  2. Enough has been said about the electrification "progress" already but I add the slow delivery of the EMUs now stated by the government to be over 18 months.
  3. The transport plan is nothing more than a wish list. A very expensive child's letter to Father Christmas. I have written numerous reports for a fraction of $2M which have analysed problems, proposed solutions, critiqued the options and recommend a final action; they have been acted upon. This so called plan just gives some lines on paper with no justification nor analysis. For $2M I could retire to somewhere tropical and you wouldn't have to hear from me again. I'll leave you to determine which is better value for money.

Why should the Feds pay for the re-election of a now proven incompetent Labor government?


I will be happy to write to Warren Truss and local Lib members regarding the funding.
ONLY after the next state election (irrespective of who wins) and;
ONLY if the money comes AFTER and Auditor General's report into the present electrification project management.

Ian
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Obviously the federal government has had a good look at the current projects and decided that the state government can't be trusted to electrify a light bulb, let alone a rail electrification project they previously decided wasn't necessary.

The state government were insane to put even the tiniest bit of faith in IOUs for future funding being written by a federal government headed for a record defeat. That the state government treated those like the money was actually on the way (more notoriously with the Tonsley project that they started early) instead of waiting for the 2014-15 budget is in itself proof they aren't competent stewards of federal money.

Using all 22 EMUs just to Seaford and Tonsley is a good result for the south though. If 3-4 units were being used on Salisbury trains, the fleet would be spread too thin to deliver any of the promised increases in service to the south that it would seem they have been lying about the whole time. They just need to accept they lost this round and install the necessary equipment to do all EMU maintenance (or at least swap out modules) at Seaford Meadows.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The support on here for punitive politics is surprising. Will the Libs pull previously budgeted funding for Victoria's RRL or Queensland Moreton Bay Rail link or Gold Coast Light rail. Of course not, because they have incumbent right wing governments in power.

"Hey there's a March election in SA coming up, how can we make the b'stards look even more stupid."

And you guys think this is appropriate behaviour Laughing

When the Libs win the the State election next year and there is nothing for urban rail, but a nice Federal bribe for a North South freeway, will you all move over to Roadpage Australia?

Thus it was ever "The public gets what the public wants."
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
As a regular user of the Gawler line, I am NOT HAPPY about this!

One only has to wonder when the line will eventually be electrified...
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Thus it was ever "The public gets what the public wants."

So they should. It is their taxes.

I am sick of governments trying to manipulate what I do. See the latest bus lane proposals or the parking tax.

It will certainly means less cars going to the CBD. It will mean more business done outside the CBD. It will mean more distributed journey commencements and ends. it will mean much less effective public transport and MORE private vehicles.

If I ever get a rail service back that involves NOT MORE THAN ONE mode (not including walking) change and is time competitive I will use it.

Ian
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

As a regular user of the Gawler line, I am NOT HAPPY about this!

One only has to wonder when the line will eventually be electrified...
greasyrhys

I dont see it happening now until there is another Labor federal government and that could take years after the damage Labor done to their reputation.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yeah typical, we can't have anything remotely nice any more,
"fabricator"
Because we can't pay the bills anymore...

Aaron et all, go get the funding back if your so smart. Go on try it, prove you aren't all defeatists with no ability to change the outcome of anything.
"fabricator"
Why would I try and get the funding back? The project means nothing to me. Besides it's not I'd be listened to, I am only one member of the public...

ps: The liberals are also bitching about the 30 year plan, and refusing to pay the $2m it cost. $2m well spent just for the fact it annoys them.
"fabricator"
The report was rubbish anyway, I for one am glad they're not going to pick up the tab... Tapping the Gawler electrification into the domestic supply infrastructure was such a poor idea I'd be amazed if they actually managed to keep their job if the project went ahead.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Thus it was ever "The public gets what the public wants."
"bingley hall"
Ah, see there, I always knew you didn't like democracy.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
The support on here for punitive politics is surprising. Will the Libs pull previously budgeted funding for Victoria's RRL or Queensland Moreton Bay Rail link or Gold Coast Light rail. Of course not, because they have incumbent right wing governments in power.

"Hey there's a March election in SA coming up, how can we make the b'stards look even more stupid."

And you guys think this is appropriate behaviour Laughing
bingley hall


I don't think it's appropriate or professional behaviour, remember we are paying for both sides of politics one way or another.
It's incredibly childish, and they have the nerve to demand we cough up some budget papers for the Darlington Road project, yeah good luck with that.

The Liberals have finally proven themselves to be unified, in absolute stupidity. They aren't fit to run a bingo game, couldn't organise a piss up in the main street of Gawler on a Friday night.

When the Libs win the the State election next year and there is nothing for urban rail, but a nice Federal bribe for a North South freeway, will you all move over to Roadpage Australia?
bingley hall


The state Libs haven't won a election in so long they've forgotten what to do. Despite what they believe, I really doubt their chances of winning. Yeah lets piss off people in the marginal seats by screwing with their public transport.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It's incredibly childish, and they have the nerve to demand we cough up some budget papers for the Darlington Road project, yeah good luck with that.
"fabricator"
The Darlington Transport Study that the Labor state government themselves put together? Sorry, but in that case Labor's been comprehensively outmanoeuvred by their own inability to finish one thing before starting to talk about another.
The Liberals ... couldn't organise a piss up in the main street of Gawler on a Friday night.
"fabricator"
Definitely not without electric trains to get people there for it Wink
The state Libs haven't won a election in so long they've forgotten what to do. Despite what they believe, I really doubt their chances of winning.
"fabricator"
I agree with this bit. The current Labor government may be incompetent, but at least they have been incompetent while doing something as opposed to doing a competent job of sitting on their hands.

Just to make things worse for Marshall or whoever is next in the leadership rotation, the state election comes six months after the federal election. If it hasn't already, voter's remorse will have well and truly set in by that point, and people will use the state election to take out their frustrations with Tony Abbott and Christopher Pyne on their state counterparts - in the same way that none of the other mainland states kept Labor governments all the way through the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd circus.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The support on here for punitive politics is surprising. Will the Libs pull previously budgeted funding for Victoria's RRL or Queensland Moreton Bay Rail link or Gold Coast Light rail. Of course not, because they have incumbent right wing governments in power.
.....
bingley hall
It's partisan politics isn't it.

And it's also interesting to note here in Victoria that after some hesitation the Liberals are now coming out strongly in favour of Regional Rail Link - Minister Mulder was in the media a few weeks ago trumpeting how it was well ahead of schedule and that they were proud to be delivering such wonderful infrastructure for the people of Victoria.  Even though they complained about it non-stop in opposition.

It's possible the same thing could happen in South Australia assuming the Liberals get in next year.
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
Don't blame me.  I voted Labor.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Don't blame me.  I voted Labor.
"4BJ"
Nice to see somebody taking responsibility for their actions, embarrassing as that may be. Please write to your Supreme Leader and Turbo Tom asking them to do the same, maybe add in Pat Conlon as well since he was the transport and infrastructure minister when they first cancelled the Gawler line.
  Sojourner Train Controller

Don't blame me.  I voted Labor.
"4BJ"


Nor me, I voted for the ALP in the previous election but like many other ALP voters, went for Palmer United this time around!
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Nor me, I voted for the ALP in the previous election but like many other ALP voters, went for Palmer United this time around!
Sojourner

You really didn't do your research did you. Even an informal vote would have been a more meaningful statement Razz
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
You really didn't do your research did you. Even an informal vote would have been a more meaningful statement Razz
bingley hall
Bingo, could easily rename that party to PLP (Palmer Liberal Party), has also swallowed the motoring party in a Borg like manner.
Incredible amount of quasi Liberal parties this election, No Greens, No carbon tax, etc, no prizes for guessing where votes for that lot end up.
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
The Mad Monk promised to Axe The Tax and Stop The Boats.  Promises that I expect him to deliver even though I vote Labor.  He never promised before the election to Arxe The Sparks in Adelaide, but it seems to me that is what he wants to do.

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