Bairnsdale Line News

 
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Me thinks, the Sunday 6.18pm departure has been extended to Sale.................................
trainbrain
I don't think so: http://ptv.vic.gov.au/disruptions/temporary-alterations-on-the-gippsland-line-monday-21-october-2013-until-further-notice/

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  712M Chief Commissioner

Two questions

1. Are there adequate overnight stabling facilities at Sale or will evening arrivals return to Traralgon and head back to Sale in the morning?

2. Will the Sunday Vlocity to Sale also resume this week? Prior to the March closure VLocities were banned from the Traralgon - Sale section.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Two questions

1. Are there adequate overnight stabling facilities at Sale or will evening arrivals return to Traralgon and head back to Sale in the morning?

The train used to stable in the Sale yard between 1993 and 2004 when the Bairnsdale train didn't run. I think they used to stable the train in the yard as there were still freight trains running then. With no other trains running these days, the train could just be marshalled ready for the next day and stabled overnight in the platform (as happens at Bairnsdale, although there is security lighting provided there). I have wondered why the current track circuit testing train is stabled on a lonely and dark point at the far eastern end of Traralgon Yard rather than in the security of the well lit station precinct. It must be tempting to the local graffiti idiots.

2. Will the Sunday Vlocity to Sale also resume this week? Prior to the March closure VLocities were banned from the Traralgon - Sale section.
"712M"


Can't answer that one. What's the problem running V/Locities to Sale? They ran quite happily there for some years.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Can't answer that one. What's the problem running V/Locities to Sale? They ran quite happily there for some years.
gippslander
The condition of the track from Traralgon to Sale stopped the VLocities travelling there earlier this year.

Mike.
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Sprinters and loco-hauled services had stabled overnight at Sale prior to services being reinstated to Bairnsdale in 2004. So I don't see why it would be an issue now. I've not been into Sale yet, but I'd assume that a train was there last night for this mornings up service.
  vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

Location: Here, there, everywhere!
Sprinters and loco-hauled services had stabled overnight at Sale prior to services being reinstated to Bairnsdale in 2004. So I don't see why it would be an issue now. I've not been into Sale yet, but I'd assume that a train was there last night for this mornings up service.
B 67


No, the morning up Bairnsdale commenced from Traralgon this morning.
  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
From the PTV link in railblogger's post:

Monday to Friday
From Melbourne
The following services will terminate at Sale station and connect with road coach services to Bairnsdale station.
7.04am Southern Cross to Bairnsdale
1.30pm Southern Cross to Bairnsdale
6.36pm Southern Cross to Bairnsdale

To Melbourne
The following services will depart Bairnsdale 15 minutes earlier than normal train times and connect at Sale into train services originating at normal times.
*6.20am Bairnsdale to Southern Cross
12.35pm Bairnsdale to Southern Cross
6.05pm Bairnsdale to Southern Cross

* First day of operation from Sale to Southern Cross will be Tuesday, 22 October 2013.
PTV
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
No, the morning up Bairnsdale commenced from Traralgon this morning.
vlinecars
Yeah, I saw the report on WIN news earlier.

It was followed by news on the "outcome" of the Kerang incident 6 years ago. If what I heard was right, then the equivalent would be a driver going through a red light at a pedestrian crossing, killing pedestrians, is acquitted and all pedestrians are to undergo better training to use the crossing and carry first aid supplies in case they are hit by a vehicle.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Yeah, I saw the report on WIN news earlier.

It was followed by news on the "outcome" of the Kerang incident 6 years ago. If what I heard was right, then the equivalent would be a driver going through a red light at a pedestrian crossing, killing pedestrians, is acquitted and all pedestrians are to undergo better training to use the crossing and carry first aid supplies in case they are hit by a vehicle.
B 67
Quite the unbelievable outcome  wasnt it.

Im still unsure as to how one fails to see a bloody huge train !!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Does my comment about Australia being a 3rd world country ring any bells? Smile
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Does my comment about Australia being a 3rd world country ring any bells? Smile
bevans
You have no idea what your talking about...

Watch last nights Foreign Correspondent from ABC, it only goes for 30 mins, then tell us your opinions about a third world country.

http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/view/47286

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Really Mike? You obviously have not read the world bank's report and various other reports about the state of Australia and our legal system.

To suggest the truck driver was in no way liable for killing those people is abhorent.

It was obviously the trains fault.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Yeah, I saw the report on WIN news earlier.

It was followed by news on the "outcome" of the Kerang incident 6 years ago. If what I heard was right, then the equivalent would be a driver going through a red light at a pedestrian crossing, killing pedestrians, is acquitted and all pedestrians are to undergo better training to use the crossing and carry first aid supplies in case they are hit by a vehicle.
B
Slightly off topic, but the Kerang report mentions, in part, "better training for train drivers and conductors". What about better training for road users?
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Slightly off topic, but the Kerang report mentions, in part, "better training for train drivers and conductors". What about better training for road users?
Lad_Porter
And just how would that have prevented a truck driver from ignoring the crossing signals and hitting the train? That was the point of me likening it to someone running a red light at a pedestrian crossing and blaming the pedestrians for not having better training.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
And just how would that have prevented a truck driver from ignoring the crossing signals and hitting the train? That was the point of me likening it to someone running a red light at a pedestrian crossing and blaming the pedestrians for not having better training.
"B 67"


The Coroners Report stated the truck driver had been using that road for years and never seen a train on it? Seems a bit hard to believe with two return pass trains daily and grain traffic during the haulage season, he never saw a train along the section. It was also noted that brake repairs to the truck had been deferred, reducing his ability to pull up.
All this means is that whilst we have to obey rules, level crossings are a bit discretional.
  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
"I used x for years and never saw y" is a bit of a loaded statement from anybody. I've used Southern Cross Station for years and only seen an XPT in it a handful of times. Does that mean that the XPT only runs there once a year? Of course not - but it's very easy for anybody to come to conclusions like that even though if approached rationally they know the conclusion is irrational.
  wyche123 Locomotive Fireman

The Minister has stated that the service is to return next week. But he has also said there will be six services a day between SC and Bairnsdale. What times will these six services leave SC?
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland
Six services a day = Pollie speak for 3 each way. Wink  Same as before.

I had heard that the trains return to Bairnsdale this Thursday. Which would just scrape in with what they've been saying for some time now, that services would be back to Bairnsdale by the end of the month.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
In the age today Vline announced passenger services will return tomorrow 31/10/2013. There is also a BBQ planned to celebrate 125 years of trains to Bairnsdale.

The Age report also stated the grinder or shaving machine was metro's and was leased. From discussions here I thought the new machine was acquired by Vline?

Regards
Brian
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Interesting media release from Victoria's Minister for Public Transport there was no mention of the former coalition Kennett government that axed trains to Bairnsdale in 1992, then re-instated by the Bracks Labor government in 2004 .

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/images/stories/documents/mediareleases/2013/October/131029_Mulder_-_VLine_passenger_trains_return_to_Bairnsdale.pdf

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Interesting media release from Victoria's Minister for Public Transport there was no mention of the former coalition Kennett government that axed trains to Bairnsdale in 1992, then re-instated by the Bracks Labor government in 2004 .

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/images/stories/documents/mediareleases/2013/October/131029_Mulder_-_VLine_passenger_trains_return_to_Bairnsdale.pdf

Mike.
The Vinelander
Government spin at It's best.

No way the Libs would want to mention anything about their closet of skeletons.

(Passenger trains beyond Sale ceased In 1993 and Goods trains beyond Sale In 1996)

The Libs have now got a record of partly closing the Gippsland Railway every year for Months on end.
Are they drawing up plans for a 2014 closure ?  

So was the latest closure about the Mysterious Fog rusting the rails or was It more about the out of action Z carriages and Bairnsdale service been at the bottom of the pecking order.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

The test train at Sale appears to have derailed earlier today over in the old freigh yard centre, it appears that passenger service are still running...........
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic


(Passenger trains beyond Sale ceased In 1993 and Goods trains beyond Sale In 1996)

The weekly goods to Bairnsdale was culled in October 2004 but the weekday Fastrack to Sale
did last till 1996. FA introduced the log train to Hillside in 1999, but that was its own initiative

Nightfire
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
gippslander
Your numbers seam a little mixed up there.

The Bairnsdale goods ceased In 1994, the Maffra goods lasted a year or two later.

Sale had a fastrack goods on and off to the end of fastrack 2006 ?

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