Many thanks to correspondents, jmt and M636C for providing comment that is based on logical observations from a number of sources and not simply "Chinese Bashing". Their contributions greatly assist those of us who would like to know just what are the problems with these and other locomotives.There seems to be a group-think developing on this site that demands political correctness, and a holier than though insistence on deriding politically incorrect posts.
What is wrong in knocking Chinese product if it is crap?Next you'll be telling us that all the imported food from China we eat is fertilised by human faeces
Political Correctness is a disease that afflicts the teaching professions, civil servants, ABC journalists, inner suburbanites who consider themselves to be elitist due to winning a BA degree, and politicians who believe in a "progressive" agenda together with their camp followers and hangers on. Pol Pot 'likes' this
Thanks DR Smith and jmt.So if the Italian government passed some laws, the quality of their cars would match the Japanese? And if the Germans passed some laws, their products would inspire the completely irrational loyalty that Italian cars do? I think you are underestimating the cultural differences.
Asbestos lagging sounds like a hell of a job to clean up safely. Gaskets arent much of a big deal if they come apart from mating faces cleanly.
Aparently Japan used to be the China of the world until their government set laws to govern the quality of its exports. Now look at it. Everything from Japan is insanely well built. No reason China couldnt do the same.
So if the Italian government passed some laws, the quality of their cars would match the Japanese? And if the Germans passed some laws, their products would inspire the completely irrational loyalty that Italian cars do? I think you are underestimating the cultural differences.
Mmm not sure Germany's and Italy's build quality is consistantly poor like Chinese, rather the oppositte. One reason people do knock the Chinese as being poor quality is because they are. The stigma about them wasn't invented, it was decided by facts. This particular thread is about OH&S but all the same theme. They are behind the rest of the world. They might catch up. Granted India still uses Asbestos in construction, imported from atleast Canada I believe. But then arent they going to be the new China?'could have made my point a lot better. If 2 BMWs are designed in the same studio(using many common parts), and are assembled by the same machines, why is there a measurable difference in quality between those that roll out of a factory in Munich and those that come from South Africa? The only variable would appear to be the people. Probably irrelevant if there is a major design fault, but I think that the Germans and Japanese have the process sorted and value engineering and reputation higher than most. More of a cultural thing than something that can be legislated, I reckon.
I see what you mean with cultural differences, but I think the ones you talk of have other personal qualities a mass produced poor quality item Chinese product usualy does have. There is some good quality items coming from China but these are made in China not designed in China I expect.
Mmm not sure Germany's and Italy's build quality is consistantly poor like Chinese, rather the oppositte.That post wasn't criticising German build quality, only exciting Italian cars that are built badly (like the self-combusting Ferrari 458 named the Italia in honour of the nation) and the sterile design of well-built German cars (like the Porsche 911 which is designed using Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V). He was wishing for an ideal world where the Italians would design the cars but they would be built by the Germans to get both strengths at once.
Asbestos lagging sounds like a hell of a job to clean up safely. Gaskets arent much of a big deal if they come apart from mating faces cleanly.Yeah I'll agree with that, it it's anything like the asbestos lagged pipes were had in power stations etc, it would have to be chiselled off. Cleaning loose fibres up inside an engine room filled with pipes and machinery is some kind of hell.
That's Lamborghini........Other way around actually. They share some components with Audi cars, but they're still all built in Italy. Look at a few close up and you'll see gaps between panels that would have a German assembly worker earning an appointment with the factory einsatzgruppenfuhrer.
One wonders whether SCT may have been better off buying the whole CSR package ie with a CSR manufactured prime mover of similar HP rather than going with the MTU motor and subsequently encountering interface issues. As Dr Smith states the Chinese rail system is huge and I am sure there would be many 4000 hp AC traction indigenous locomotives reliably running around albeit on a different loading gauge. Such a loco probably would have been even cheaper but perhaps not as fuel efficient.CSR are a locomotive assembler (as is CNR), not a builder in the western sense