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  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I'll read between the lines here Dungog........what you are really trying to say is that you are quite annoyed that the middle eastern crime gangs that are currently wreaking havoc in western Sydney will not be able to dramatically increase their numbers with new recruits any time soon?
2301


Laughing So now we are being overrun by Middle Eastern crime gangs full of Sri Lankan economic refugees!!!

Try a lot less reading between the lines and parroting small minded, scaremonger reactionaries – again. Rolling Eyes

Fact is Labor recognised the asylum seeker changes increased the boat traffic and responded by toughening government policy. The road to an election defeat was paved with good intentions Exclamation

Those people in detention for more than the few weeks since the election are getting the message back to relatives and friends. Tony Abbott is taking the credit.

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Fact is Labor recognised the asylum seeker changes increased the boat traffic and responded by toughening government policy. The road to an election defeat was paved with good intentions Exclamation
Groundrelay
Pffftttt! You make me laugh!

Precisely when did Labor realise?

Arrivals FYE 2003: 0 - Liberals are in, only problem Labor has is number is too low.
Arrivals FYE 2004: 82 - As above
Arrivals FYE 2005: 0 - As above
Arrivals FYE 2006: 61 - As above
Arrivals FYE 2007: 133 - As above
Arrivals FYE 2008: 25 - Bugger we're in an it went backwards...
Arrivals FYE 2009: 1033 - That's better, but still not increased traffic apparently...
Arrivals FYE 2010: 5609 - No increase there
Arrivals FYE 2011: 4940 - Bugger, that's a decrease, but still an increase on average
Arrivals FYE 2012: 7983 - Nah, no need to worry about that
Arrivals FYE 2013: 30442 - Mmmm, those numbers are not of concern, BUT we have an election... QUICK! SOMEONE! Pretend to something about them...

See I might have expected an increase from 25 to 1033 to have resulted in action... If not, then the increase from 1033 to 5609, and if not then, then surely 4940 is still enough, but no, and not even 7983 gets them going... Then in 2012-13 surely they might have looked at it at 10000, no? 15000? no, 20000? no, 25000? Nah, let's wait til it's beyond 30,000...
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Bollocks! You don't need to sit Parliament to change a policy... Policy changes do not equate to legislative changes.
Aaron
Tell exactly what Abbott has changed then? From the small amount which has appeared in the media, it would appear that he is now endorsing the PNG solution that Rudd introduced, and taking the credit for it (typical of political parties of ALL persuasions).

For a person who claimed that his government would be 'accountable', I find this rather perplexing. Seems Forrest Gump is his mentor...
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-thumbing-his-nose-at-voters-says-laurie-oakes-20131106-2x0p8.html
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
For a person who claimed that his government would be 'accountable', I find this rather perplexing. Seems Forrest Gump is his mentor...
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-thumbing-his-nose-at-voters-says-laurie-oakes-20131106-2x0p8.html
Barrington Womble
Ol' Laurie can't seem to make up his mind on the issue. Latest Newspoll doesn't really reflect his waffle.

Laurie Oakes 14 September 2013:

Abbott and his team ignored the hungry media beast’s demands to be fed. Instead, they worked away quietly and methodically behind the scenes, preparing for an orderly and unhurried takeover of the levers of power.

And the country got on perfectly well without daily announcements and continuous commentary on every issue under the sun from the people who are our new rulers.


Laurie Oakes 6 November 2013:
They’re busily trying to avoid the media as much as possible and to control the media and so far they’re getting away with it but I don’t think they will get away with it for too long…

You can’t thumb your nose at the voters’ right to know and you can’t arrogantly say ‘we’ll let the voters be misinformed and we won’t help journalists get it right’. That’s just a disgusting attitude.

How about journalists stop being lazy and actually do some quality investigative journalism rather than being spoon fed from a distracted Government stuck in a 24 hour media cycle?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Oh dear, you International Socialists make me laugh with all your back slapping.  
2301
Spoken like truly condescending, cliche-ladden Tory pillock. Predicatability is definately your strong point, ain't it.

The traffic didn't stop until after the current Government got elected, when the turn back the boats take no bullsh1t policy came into being.
"2301"
There is no such policy. It hasn't been implemented. Abbott is simply riding on the coat tails of the PNG solution, which he now strangely endorses after being critical of it prior to the election. Of course you'd never concede that though...

When Krudd introduced his PNG policy, it had absolutely no affect on the numbers right up to the election; they were still sending the Navy to rescue asylum seekers 70 metres off the Indonesian coastline.
"2301"
Got any proof of that, or are you just blowing smoke, and towing the party line like a good little boy?

Take the blinkers off Barrington.
"2301"
...Said the blind man.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Ol' Laurie can't seem to make up his mind on the issue. Latest Newspoll doesn't really reflect his waffle.

Laurie Oakes 14 September 2013:

Abbott and his team ignored the hungry media beast’s demands to be fed. Instead, they worked away quietly and methodically behind the scenes, preparing for an orderly and unhurried takeover of the levers of power.

And the country got on perfectly well without daily announcements and continuous commentary on every issue under the sun from the people who are our new rulers.


Laurie Oakes 6 November 2013:
They’re busily trying to avoid the media as much as possible and to control the media and so far they’re getting away with it but I don’t think they will get away with it for too long…

You can’t thumb your nose at the voters’ right to know and you can’t arrogantly say ‘we’ll let the voters be misinformed and we won’t help journalists get it right’. That’s just a disgusting attitude.

How about journalists stop being lazy and actually do some quality investigative journalism rather than being spoon fed from a distracted Government stuck in a 24 hour media cycle?
simont141
In all fairness, the first one was nearly two months ago. As you can imagine being a journalist and having nothing to report would be more than a little frustrating. I'll give Oakes his worth - he's been commentating on Australian politics longer than I have been on the planet, so a fair bet he'd know a fair bit more about it than you or I would. Two months is a long time without news - especially when you have the PM visibly running from the media, and his minders trying to block questions from being asked.  What's all that about?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Two months is a long time without news - especially when you have the PM visibly running from the media, and his minders trying to block questions from being asked.  What's all that about?
Barrington Womble
As we've discussed previously, it's all part of a deliberate strategy to smother the news cycle.

Laurie Oaks is experiencing withdrawals, as you say, they have nothing to write about.  Could backfire on Abbott eventually because if the government won't give them anything eventually they'll get bored and go out and find stuff to write about.  Hang about, isn't that what they used to do?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Could? I think it will before too long. Reporting stuff to the media is part of keeping the people informed - part of being accountable for one's actions. Accountability which Abbott himself crowed about in his victory speech. Running from the media every time they ask you a question, and using the excuse of "not having enough time to write a speech (odds are he doesn't have the brains to do it himself - one only has to look at the many gaffs he's made in the past to know this) is simply not good enough. How is it every PM to date (Keating, Howard, Rudd et al) were able to answer questions on the fly, without having to write something specifically for the occasion? The whole thing looks totally amaturish and makes Abbott look like a blithering idiot. It shows with him constantly on the run once a camera crew rock up, and the blocking by his minders. Nobody likes secrecy, and this will be his downfall if he keeps it up. The journos will find pay-dirt eventually, and it'll be like watching a well made Helsby Bomb go off in a locomotive's firebox.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Abbott really hates unscripted spontaneity with a passion.  It's because (as you say) he's actually quite terrible at having to think on the fly without his minders; witness that meltdown he had when he was pressed about the 'sh*t happens' remark in Afghanistan.  Not that it was a really terrible mistake, it was just a bit inappropriate, but his reaction when caught by the press back in Canberra was really bad form.  Obviously couldn't think of anything to say so he just froze like a rabbit in the headlights... "Now I remember why I avoid the media".  

It's early days yet but it's not very promising; lucky there's something left of the fourth estate outside of Murdoch to try and hold them to account; Laurie Oaks may be going crook but News Ltd papers are still having a love-in.  Did anyone read Andrew Bolt's blistering no-holds-barred interview with our new Prime Minister recently?  I'm sure Tony's still recovering from that merciless beating with a wet lettuce leaf.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Tell exactly what Abbott has changed then?
Barrington Womble
Well they've turned back three boat loads of people WITHOUT getting them to dry land here first, that takes Coalition turn backs to 7, ALP turn backs? Still NIL. Directing the RAN to return the boat people to their place of origin, rather than steam them to Christmas Island is a POLICY change, NOT a LEGISLATIVE change.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Well they've turned back three boat loads of people WITHOUT getting them to dry land here first, that takes Coalition turn backs to 7, ALP turn backs? Still NIL. Directing the RAN to return the boat people to their place of origin, rather than steam them to Christmas Island is a POLICY change, NOT a LEGISLATIVE change.
Aaron
'Here'...? You mean the islands within our waters, surely?

The towing back of the boats was simply to test the waters and see what Indonesia would do. Nothing more, nothing less. Abbott has been sucking up to the Indonesian government since on his visit, because he at least knows that he could well have cooked his golden goose and alienated them. Where exactly were the boats even intercepted? In our waters, or someone elses? There's no policy change as yet. Abbott has since embraced the PNG solution which Rudd introduced. No amount of arguing will change that fact. Besides - shouldn't we be more worried about the poor sods in the boats drowning than some stupid election promise, which will increase the country's expenditure all to satisfy the lifestyles of a few selfish red-necked dimwits? Protecting borders that don't need protecting isn't cheap.

By the way.

I love your use of capital letters for certain words. Certainly gives you the intellegent edge over us mere un-educated plebs. I almost thought you meant RAN (as in 'run'), and not R.A.N or to simplify, Navy. Silly me.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
The even less liberal party is pulling the plug on superannuation help to low income earners yet will bring in PPL for those earning four times more. A woman earning $35000 pa working 45 years doesn't deserve $22500 to boost their meager superannuation yet someone earning $150,000 deserves $150,000 for having two kids.

Assistant Treasurer Arthur Sinodinos has defended the Government's approach.
"We've always been on the side of those who are aspirational," he told NewsRadio. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-07/super/5075894

i.e. low income earners are lazy, no hopers and the government isn’t about them.

As an ‘aspirational’ one, Sinodinos you’re nothing but a small minded, tightRsed, arrogant ratbag Surprised
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Speaking of keeping the working poor in their place, I'm looking forward to Work Choices II, I'm sure it's there in the cupboard somewhere... Joe Hockey is bound to pull it out while rummaging around the spiders.  Cutting wages for the bottom cohort is essential to boost our international competitiveness, or at least I'm sure that's how the argument will run.  Anyway, Work Choices II might be the tipping point for popping the housing bubble, which is the real long-term problem for our country.  I'm always amazed that for a nation with so much room we have (almost) the most expensive housing in the world, it really makes no sense.

I overheard a bloke at gym yesterday boasting to one of his mates that he was going to put all of his superannuation into a Self-Managed Fund and use it to buy 'more' property as he was planning to have five investment properties within the next three years.  In the next breath he also remarked on how he might have to help his son financially to buy his first home because as young person starting out he had no hope of getting a foot-hold in the Melbourne property market.

Action... consequence?
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Good to see Juliar is still true to form; spruiking how good she was after she trashed the economy, spending like a drunken sailor and overall couldn't run a chock raffle if she tried.  It's just like a dog returning to smell its own excrement.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The title of the thread is "The Tony Abbott Show".  Please stick to the topic.
  T88 Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
Boats keep coming.
Carbon Tax still here.
Let's revisit this post at the end of Bah-Loanys end of term.
I'm not picking on any political party. Im picking on all of them!
Sure the worlds problems are not going to be solved over night. I don't have all the answers. Clive Palmer seems to be the only bloke with the biggest balls to do anything although he does have his own agenda.
Obama might as well be running Australia. He is a good bloke. I can't fault him.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Good to see Juliar is still true to form; spruiking how good she was after she trashed the economy, spending like a drunken sailor and overall couldn't run a chock raffle if she tried.  It's just like a dog returning to smell its own excrement.
2301
You mean 'Chook raffle'?

I see you're still the same too. Boring, predictable and irrelevent.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I see you're still the same too. Boring, predictable and irrelevent.
Barrington Womble
Likewise. I cannot believe you hold a position of moderator given your insulting replies to people here. I can only guess it is because you share the same political bias as Bevans. You are a disgrace to moderators everywhere.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Obama might as well be running Australia. He is a good bloke. I can't fault him.
T88
You obviously don't live there.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Likewise. I cannot believe you hold a position of moderator given your insulting replies to people here. I can only guess it is because you share the same political bias as Bevans. You are a disgrace to moderators everywhere.
TheBlacksmith
I pretty much agree with that. I too take a dim view of this:

You mean 'Chook raffle'?
Barrington Womble

And this:
By the way.

I love your use of capital letters for certain words. Certainly gives you the intellegent edge over us mere un-educated plebs. I almost thought you meant RAN (as in 'run'), and not R.A.N or to simplify, Navy. Silly me.
Barrington Womble

I was going to let the response to my post slide, given I don't usually pick on people for obvious mistakes, but what the hey, if it's good for a mod...

I capitalise for emphasis, it saves dicking around with a bunch of BB code and trying to operate the WYSIWYG which I have noted is often somewhat not WYSIWYG.

That out of the way, to RAN, I apologise Mr Womble, in future I will try and make an effort to use your R.A.N. but only after you advise these sites and have them make the same corrections...

http://www.navy.gov.au/
RAN Reserves
above site


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Navy
The Royal Australian Navy (RAN)
above site

Britain's [color=#0b0080][font=sans-serif]Royal Navy[/font][/color] continued to support the RAN
above site

Plus numerous other references to RAN that I cannot be bothered collating.

http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/recruitmentcentre/canIJoin/overseasApplicants/navy.aspx
The Royal Australian Navy (RAN)
above site

In the coming decade the RAN is delivering new capabilities in amphibious warfare, air warfare and also helicopter systems.
above site

Plus numerous other references to RAN that I cannot be bothered collating.

https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy
This is the official Facebook Page for the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) where we discuss the latest news, events and information about the RAN.
above site

Plus numerous other blah, blah, blah.

I think you get the picture.

I could also reference:
PNG
Barrington Womble

ALP
Barrington Womble

And ask don't you mean P.N.G. and A.L.P. but I know that would be nonsensical and I don't want to make me look like an idiot too.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
^ See WYSIWYG editor is not that WYSIWYG, it was formatted perfectly on my screen ahead of posting... Can't be bothered fixing it, I'll leave it as a standing tribute to WYSIWYG.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Sorry W.Y.S.I.W.Y.G.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Likewise. I cannot believe you hold a position of moderator given your insulting replies to people here. I can only guess it is because you share the same political bias as Bevans. You are a disgrace to moderators everywhere.
TheBlacksmith
You're not very observant are you. I am no longer a moderator here, having handed in my badge. Not only that, you were cheering me on just over a week ago, so perhaps you might like to re-evaluate your statement. Nobody likes a turncoat.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
I pretty much agree with that. I too take a dim view of this:


And this:

I was going to let the response to my post slide, given I don't usually pick on people for obvious mistakes, but what the hey, if it's good for a mod...

I capitalise for emphasis, it saves dicking around with a bunch of BB code and trying to operate the WYSIWYG which I have noted is often somewhat not WYSIWYG.

That out of the way, to RAN, I apologise Mr Womble, in future I will try and make an effort to use your R.A.N. but only after you advise these sites and have them make the same corrections...

http://www.navy.gov.au/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Navy

Plus numerous other references to RAN that I cannot be bothered collating.

http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/recruitmentcentre/canIJoin/overseasApplicants/navy.aspx

Plus numerous other references to RAN that I cannot be bothered collating.

https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianNavy

Plus numerous other blah, blah, blah.

I think you get the picture.

I could also reference:

And ask don't you mean P.N.G. and A.L.P. but I know that would be nonsensical and I don't want to make me look like an idiot too.
Aaron
So...It's okay for you to be a nasty little condescending git, but when someone dishes it back to you, you get all sooky and whinge about it? Perhaps you need to evaluate the way you type to people as well.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
You're not very observant are you. I am no longer a moderator here, having handed in my badge. Not only that, you were cheering me on just over a week ago, so perhaps you might like to re-evaluate your statement. Nobody likes a turncoat.
Barrington Womble
No, I had not noticed you had handed in your badge, so I am happy to withdraw my statement about moderators, as you are no longer one.

A week ago? I don't remember who or what I supported yesterday, much less a week ago.

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