Hows 5917's restoration coming along?

 
  BM3801 Lobster

Location: Go Hard or Go Home!
We havnt heard any news for awhile, and since there has been no Cowra Loco News from LVR on the subject, does anyone know how 5917's restoration is coming along, and do we have an expected timeframe for a return to service? Ive emailed the Society today, but I thought I may get an answer here as well

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  trainman3801 Chief Commissioner

Location: Why do you want to know?!?!?!
Would you be able to post the reply here if you get one?
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
We havnt heard any news for awhile, and since there has been no Cowra Loco News from LVR on the subject, does anyone know how 5917's restoration is coming along, and do we have an expected timeframe for a return to service? Ive emailed the Society today, but I thought I may get an answer here as well
"BM3801"


I've been wondering about that too,  but there's nothing new about 5917 being stored at Eveleigh because it is still stored over there.

Wasn't there a thread about LVR & 3801 Limited having disagreements back from last year? Anyways not meant to add more fuel to the fire but someone from LVR said to me that they had parts ready for 5917's overhaul at Eveleigh but a couple of guys from 3801 Ltd decided to dump the parts on the ground and I'm wondering if that was one of the main reasons that the 2 societies couldn't get along from last year?

JT
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
We havnt heard any news for awhile, and since there has been no Cowra Loco News from LVR on the subject, does anyone know how 5917's restoration is coming along, and do we have an expected timeframe for a return to service? Ive emailed the Society today, but I thought I may get an answer here as well
"BM3801"


I've been wondering about that too,  but there's nothing new about 5917 being stored at Eveleigh because it is still stored over there.

Wasn't there a thread about LVR & 3801 Limited having disagreements back from last year? Anyways not meant to add more fuel to the fire but someone from LVR said to me that they had parts ready for 5917's overhaul at Eveleigh but a couple of guys from 3801 Ltd decided to dump the parts on the ground and I'm wondering if that was one of the main reasons that the 2 societies couldn't get along from last year?

JT
"jt393"


"I don't mean to dump fuel on the fire" does not make it okay to post unsubstantiated rumours with no basis of fact.

All of this speculation about 3801ltd and LVR having a falling out does nothing for the preservation movement, and even if it was true, it is something that doesn't need to be aired on forums by armchair experts not involved in either organisation. As an interested party reading this thread, with no affiliation with either group and no vested interests, I'd prefer it if politics were left outside the thread, and people only post dealing in known facts. I realise this might be challenging for railway enthusiasts, but I'm sure we can do it...

The last I heard was earlier this year when talking to a volunteer from 3801ltd - there is asbestos in the 59, which has caused issues with the restoration. What work is required and what timeframe is associated with that work (nevermind the costs) was not spelled out. Obviously the locomotive has been out of service for a while, and pending anything official from LVR, I don't know if anything beyond heresay (see my own information for a perfect example of "he said, she said")and speculation.
  whitbomb07 Junior Train Controller

Location: Newcastle/Valley Heights
Instead of constantly having these threads pop up ie "What's going on with 3801?" "Will R766 ever run on the mainline?" "Has 3830 passed it's boiler test?" Why don't the mods create a sticky titled something like "Preservation Restoration projects" and make 2 rules quite clear: 1) No one is to ask about a project and 2) It is a simply a dumpsite for FACTUAL information as it comes to light.

It means when those in the know, know, they can provide the info to those of us who would like to know, insteadly of constantly asking the same questions every few months and maybe getting something true or more likely alot of rumor and heresay.

Just a thought, shoot me down in flames if you like, but I think this, or something similar would make the board alot less cluttered.

Regards

Daniel
  allambee Chief Train Controller

Instead of constantly having these threads pop up ie "What's going on with 3801?" "Will R766 ever run on the mainline?" "Has 3830 passed it's boiler test?" Why don't the mods create a sticky titled something like "Preservation Restoration projects" and make 2 rules quite clear: 1) No one is to ask about a project and 2) It is a simply a dumpsite for FACTUAL information as it comes to light.

It means when those in the know, know, they can provide the info to those of us who would like to know, insteadly of constantly asking the same questions every few months and maybe getting something true or more likely alot of rumor and heresay.

Just a thought, shoot me down in flames if you like, but I think this, or something similar would make the board alot less cluttered.

Regards

Daniel
"whitbomb07"
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A rule to stop people from showing a interest and asking questions about a restoration project? Such a rule would effectively shut down this forum. That would suit the some who want to keep  information as "secret squirrel" stuff which seems to be the norm nowadays.

As for hearsay and rumor, people in the "know" have the every opportunity to come here and dispel any incorrect information without getting into flame wars.



  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
 That would suit the some who want to keep  information as "secret squirrel" stuff which seems to be the norm nowadays.
"allambee"


Most people who withhold information do it not based on some kind of childish desire to do so, but because it is the right thing to do. The ones that log into the forums specifically to tell people "I know something, but I'm not allowed to tell you" ARE doing it out of some childish desire to withhold information - it's the old "I know something you don't know, nyah" from the school yard.

This may come as a surprise to people who think they have the right to know everything about everything, but some information is not for the public domain, for good reason.

I agree with you that any move to limit discussion is a foolish one - there is nothing wrong with discussing facts, scarce though they may be. The problem is when people develop tin-foil-hat notions that the preservation societies are intentionally withholding information and are secretly planning to scrap steam locomotives to fund the purchase of a Gold Coast holiday house.

As an example, say that you were a member of organisation A. There was an issue between that organisation, and organisation B. Perhaps someone said something stupid, and it escalated. Perhaps a mistake was made, and that caused an issue between managers of the two organisations. Is such a dispute best resolved by people privately - people who know the facts, and can make an informed decision? Or is that issue best played out in a public forum, where people with obvious bias and vested interests, people who know half or none of the facts, feel free to tell everyone exactly how it should be?

Why can't we just discuss facts, discuss the steam locomotives that we have - why does everything in this hobby have to be related to childish squabbling about he said she said?
  Albert Chief Commissioner

Don't know if asbestos is a problem, it was removed when the loco was returned to service in Cowra.

BTW 5917 is not LVR's loco or problem. It is owned by a private group who happen to be LVR members. It would explain why LVR newsletters have not mention it
  whitbomb07 Junior Train Controller

Location: Newcastle/Valley Heights
Instead of constantly having these threads pop up ie "What's going on with 3801?" "Will R766 ever run on the mainline?" "Has 3830 passed it's boiler test?" Why don't the mods create a sticky titled something like "Preservation Restoration projects" and make 2 rules quite clear: 1) No one is to ask about a project and 2) It is a simply a dumpsite for FACTUAL information as it comes to light.

It means when those in the know, know, they can provide the info to those of us who would like to know, insteadly of constantly asking the same questions every few months and maybe getting something true or more likely alot of rumor and heresay.

Just a thought, shoot me down in flames if you like, but I think this, or something similar would make the board alot less cluttered.

Regards

Daniel
"whitbomb07"
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A rule to stop people from showing a interest and asking questions about a restoration project? Such a rule would effectively shut down this forum. That would suit the some who want to keep  information as "secret squirrel" stuff which seems to be the norm nowadays.

As for hearsay and rumor, people in the "know" have the every opportunity to come here and dispel any incorrect information without getting into flame wars.


"allambee"


I did not mean to quash all discussion about locomotives, merely to stop the constant "What is happening with XXXX loco?" question being asked about each and every one that is currently in restoration/repair.

Sure if something of note is worthy of discussion split it into a individual thread. But I just don't see the point in the same question being asked over and over again and either getting silence or rumor the majority of the time and it devolving into arguments and slanging matches.

The fact is, as it has been said multiple times, solely as a user on Railpage, noone has an entitlement to information. If the owner(s) of a loco want the public to know what is going on, they will.

I'd love to know the status of 5917, 3801, 3830, R766, 5910, 6029, SMR 10 + 18, and 3112 and when they will (and in some of these cases IF they will ever) return to service. But I have no entitlement to it, nor do I expect it. But anything I do hear is greatly appreciated.

Regards

Daniel




  BM3801 Lobster

Location: Go Hard or Go Home!
Received some information from people actively involved with the restoration with 5917. Apparently the work has been slow because so many members who work on the loco have been busy running LVR tours and working on 3237's overhaul for the start of LVR's running season, and as a result, have had little time to tend to the 59. There is a number of working bees planned after the North Coast Tour is finished, which understandably is the priority right now, that aim to make a dent in the restoration (Im planning to go down and help this!). I am still awaiting an email from LVR (which may arrive in the next business week) which will hopefully shed some more light on this

Trainman- Yes I'll provide information from the email for people, though maybe we may have our answer already. However hopefully an official email will confirm this. 

Albert- The loco may be owned by 5917 Syndicate, but since LVR operate it on tours and have mentioned the locomotives restoration in a previous issue of their news, I felt they were the best people to ask about the loco as LVR people are actively involved in the restoration. I have tried finding a number or contact for the Syndicate but was unsuccessful 
 
  BM3801 Lobster

Location: Go Hard or Go Home!
Got an email from LVR today. Basically the reason work has been so slow was what has been reported already- Many of the workers are crewing the North Coast Tour at the moment, along with a few other issues. It is stated that 5917 will probably be out and about sometime next year which is their aim.
  3801_fan Junior Train Controller

Location: sydney
Is 5917 still at Eveleigh?
How is it all going?
  MC3801 Train Controller

5917 has passed it's boiler test on Thursday, 7th November.
  Salty21 Junior Train Controller

Location: Canberra
5917 has passed it's boiler test on Thursday, 7th November.
MC3801
Great News!!
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

3801 LTD are running a trip to Trainworks on Thursday November 28th and the TAA indicates that it is steam hauled. Perhaps 5917 is the intended motive power?
BW
  Tuscan Junior Train Controller

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hi Bevan,

If everything comes up rosie during the trials it should be 3237 on the train.

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