Waratah Updates

 
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Thanks!! So there's no plans for Waratah trains to operate on the Eastern Suburbs and Illawara Line?
"Alfred3333"

No. Sector 1 services will continue to be operated by Goninan-built trains (i.e. Tangaras and OSCARs).

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  fixitguy Chief Train Controller

Location: In Carriage 4 on a Tangara
No. Sector 1 services will continue to be operated by Goninan-built trains (i.e. Tangaras and OSCARs).
Aurora8
and ironically they were built for Sector 1 crush loadings
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Wait don't u mean for sector 1 as their are still many waratahs planned for sector 3.
Kset56
Oops yeah, sorry. Shouldn't post late at night Sad
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
Reliance Rail has just moved into the office next door to us in Market St. They have some vry nice looking offices looking out over the QVB.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Telegram 441-13GM issued to change Roster 171 (Sector 3) from S set to A set consist, as from Wednesday, 27 November.  


- Scott.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Telegram 457-13GM issued to change Rosters 173 and 178 (Sector 3) from S set to A set consist, as from Thursday, 5 December.  


- Scott.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Sighted, Wednesday 11/12/13, at 1700 hours (approx.), sets A68 and A69 in the yard at Cardiff Workshops.  


- Scott.
  Alfred3333 Locomotive Fireman

Are there any plans to which rosters will be changed from S set to an A set consist with the remaining waratahs to come?
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Are there any plans to which rosters will be changed from S set to an A set consist with the remaining waratahs to come?
Alfred3333
According to a plan for 2014, the remaining Waratah A sets will be added to Sector 3.  

With the commencement of the October SWTT the status was:-
Sector 2: 32 A set Rosters
Sector 3: 20 A set Rosters  

Since October, 7 A set Rosters have been added to Sector 3, and another 13 Rosters are due to be added during 2014.  

Therefore, the Final allocation of 78 A sets will be:-
Sector 2: 32 Rosters
Sector 3: 40 Rosters
Six (6) sets will be allocated as "Spare & Repair/Maintenance" at any one time.  

Sector 3 will see the balance of the S set Rosters replaced, plus some K set Rosters replaced with A sets.
Sector 2 will see the majority of S set Rosters replaced by the K sets displaced from Sector 3.  


- Scott.
  Alfred3333 Locomotive Fireman

According to a plan for 2014, the remaining Waratah A sets will be added to Sector 3.  

With the commencement of the October SWTT the status was:-
Sector 2: 32 A set Rosters
Sector 3: 20 A set Rosters  

Since October, 7 A set Rosters have been added to Sector 3, and another 13 Rosters are due to be added during 2014.  

Therefore, the Final allocation of 78 A sets will be:-
Sector 2: 32 Rosters
Sector 3: 40 Rosters
Six (6) sets will be allocated as "Spare & Repair/Maintenance" at any one time.  

Sector 3 will see the balance of the S set Rosters replaced, plus some K set Rosters replaced with A sets.
Sector 2 will see the majority of S set Rosters replaced by the K sets displaced from Sector 3.  


- Scott.
"scott4570"


Thanks! I thought the waratahs were to replace the non - air conditioned carriages rather than K sets
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

Thanks! I thought the waratahs were to replace the non - air conditioned carriages rather than K sets
"Alfred3333"


The displaced K sets are replacing the non-airconditioned carriages. Makes sense to try and keep all the K sets in the one sector.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
The displaced K sets are replacing the non-airconditioned carriages. Makes sense to try and keep all the K sets in the one sector.
Airvan99
Further to that comment, the K sets are best on slower runs due to their poor power to weight ratio versus the more modern trains. Ie, there's no real benefit to them running on express Western line trains as they take so long to get up to speed, better to have them deployed on all stations sector 2 running (Bankstown and Inner West trains).
  bernerd Junior Train Controller

^no. Sorry Raichase, I agree with most everything you say, but that statement is completely misleading. A Waratah is far better suited to the stop and start nature of Sector 2 due to its far superior power to weight ratio and better acceleration and deceleration, while the handicapped K Sets perform better in Sector 3 express runs.

Imagine a clapped out Datsun from the 80s, it might take a while to get up to the speed limit, but when on an expressway (a la Blacktown to Parra, Parra to Stratty), it can sit at the limit quite comfortably.

A brand new Merc, while only able to do the same top speed at the Datsun, can accelerate quicker and brake later into each set of lights (a la all stations Inner West and Banko services).

Myself and hundreds of engineers and timetablers would be very pleased to hear of any counter arguments to this.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Myself and hundreds of engineers and timetablers would be very pleased to hear of any counter arguments to this.
bernerd
Drive a train.

I've spoken to many drivers who have trouble keeping time on fast express runs because the braking curve is so bad, so they get them on early to ensure people are not falling over from a sudden stop. As for the powering, they've MAXED out through Toongabbie on the down at 98. That was from Parramatta.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
^no. Sorry Raichase, I agree with most everything you say, but that statement is completely misleading. A Waratah is far better suited to the stop and start nature of Sector 2 due to its far superior power to weight ratio and better acceleration and deceleration, while the handicapped K Sets perform better in Sector 3 express runs.

Imagine a clapped out Datsun from the 80s, it might take a while to get up to the speed limit, but when on an expressway (a la Blacktown to Parra, Parra to Stratty), it can sit at the limit quite comfortably.

A brand new Merc, while only able to do the same top speed at the Datsun, can accelerate quicker and brake later into each set of lights (a la all stations Inner West and Banko services).

Myself and hundreds of engineers and timetablers would be very pleased to hear of any counter arguments to this.
bernerd
I would have to concur with you Bernerd. You can get a smooth, more efficient and better use of resources by having the new trains on the all stoppers. Timetables are written with the characteristics of the K set etc in mind, so if you put a new train on an express path all you are doing is wasting a resource, getting into stations early and wasting power.

Never had a trouble with a K set keeping to an express table, even in auto. Having a new train on the all stopping service is better as you say because you can make up time with greater ease and provide a much better stop constantly for the passengers. Its an opinion shared by many experienced drivers that I have spoken to.
  Alfred3333 Locomotive Fireman

I would have to concur with you Bernerd. You can get a smooth, more efficient and better use of resources by having the new trains on the all stoppers. Timetables are written with the characteristics of the K set etc in mind, so if you put a new train on an express path all you are doing is wasting a resource, getting into stations early and wasting power.

Never had a trouble with a K set keeping to an express table, even in auto. Having a new train on the all stopping service is better as you say because you can make up time with greater ease and provide a much better stop constantly for the passengers. Its an opinion shared by many experienced drivers that I have spoken to.
"seb2351"


The Banko line has many tight curves and bends and as Raichase mentioned before, the sudden brakes on the K sets while approaching these bends would create an unpleasant journey. With the express services on the Western Line, sudden/hard brakes really only occur due to signal change, or on an approach to a station or to some curves. Journeys on the Banko line are comparatively longer (due to tight bends). Operating A sets on suburban services on the Western Line is all good and will help with on-time running but there's really no need for A sets on express services.
  Kset56 Station Master

Location: Somewhere
Further to that comment, the K sets are best on slower runs due to their poor power to weight ratio versus the more modern trains. Ie, there's no real benefit to them running on express Western line trains as they take so long to get up to speed, better to have them deployed on all stations sector 2 running (Bankstown and Inner West trains).
Thanks, now I know why S and K sets are slower than the modern sets. I also think that the A sets are much more suited to All station services rather than sector 3 express services as they A sets weren't originally built for going long stretches without stopping at one time.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Sighted at 1820 hours, 17/12/13, set A68 in AMF Yard (western end).

- Scott.
  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
A01 is currently going through static testing at Cardiff, and A74 arrived from the docks this afternoon.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

From Monday, 6/1/14, Sector 3 Roster 177 was changed from S to A set consist, as per STN 0012.

Total Waratah A set Rosters running in Sector 3 stands at 28.


- Scott.
  sandown Chief Commissioner

Location: sydney
^no. Sorry Raichase, I agree with most everything you say, but that statement is completely misleading. A Waratah is far better suited to the stop and start nature of Sector 2 due to its far superior power to weight ratio and better acceleration and deceleration, while the handicapped K Sets perform better in Sector 3 express runs.

Imagine a clapped out Datsun from the 80s, it might take a while to get up to the speed limit, but when on an expressway (a la Blacktown to Parra, Parra to Stratty), it can sit at the limit quite comfortably.

A brand new Merc, while only able to do the same top speed at the Datsun, can accelerate quicker and brake later into each set of lights (a la all stations Inner West and Banko services).

Myself and hundreds of engineers and timetablers would be very pleased to hear of any counter arguments to this.
bernerd

Timetable doesn't require either a fast accelerating nor rapid braking train on the Banko. Total waste of resources to utilise these sets for this service. Much better to give the punters lumbering K sets that can dawdle around at their own pace.
  Silver S Set Junior Train Controller

A01 is currently going through static testing at Cardiff, and A74 arrived from the docks this afternoon.
piepants

Apparently it was rebuilt, or was it A02. Anyway, are they going to keep the name 'A01 or A1?
  bjwh86 Chief Train Controller

Passed AMC and spotted A70 sitting on one of the roads outside the shed.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
A68 was in service yesterday (15.01) on Sector 2, whilst A69 was under test the night before (14.01).
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

An unfinished Waratah (A-Set), or is that Waratahs as in more than one set?
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