Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
More railcar running (assume driver training) was happening today, I would agree with start of Dec for reopening.
Noarlunga Line Shutdown
nscaler69
Deputy Commissioner
Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
trainznbuses
Train Controller
Location: Seacliff Park, SA
When they get around to it.Like [size=4]this[/size]?
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kipioneer
Chief Commissioner
Location: Aberfoyle Park
Re-occupying the line for that purpose would have slowed down electrification but I'm guessing they only do familiarisation during daylight hours. Re-opening next week makes the assumption that all signalling and support works are ready and operational.I can, with overwhelming confidence, say that, thankfully, overhead wiring has not reached Black Forest.
Has the contact wire progressed past Black Forest?
If it had I would worry about the wasted expenditure in wiring to a suburb a considerable distance from the railway.
Milkomeda
Chief Train Controller
Noarlunga Line reopening date is now imminent
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/noarlunga-train-line-reopening-to-be-confirmed-by-transport-minister-tom-koutsantonis/story-fni6uo1m-1226767154872
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/noarlunga-train-line-reopening-to-be-confirmed-by-transport-minister-tom-koutsantonis/story-fni6uo1m-1226767154872
Milkomeda
Chief Train Controller
Confirmed now Noarlunga Line is reopening on the 1st of December
Aaron
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: University of Adelaide SA
^ Allegedy, we'll see what sort of 'teething issues we get on Monday...
Aaron
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: University of Adelaide SA
Kipioneer, LOL!
Jumbo2001
Junior Train Controller
I can, with overwhelming confidence, say that, thankfully, overhead wiring has not reached Black Forest.
If it had I would worry about the wasted expenditure in wiring to a suburb a considerable distance from the railway.
Lets be fair, overhead wiring has indeed reached Black Forest, but you will find it is 600v DC and the rails under it are set at standard gauge with the destination not being Seaford.
1S47
Assistant Commissioner
Location: On the Down Fast
I can, with overwhelming confidence, say that, thankfully, overhead wiring has not reached Black Forest.
If it had I would worry about the wasted expenditure in wiring to a suburb a considerable distance from the railway.
Check the map, and you'll see Black Forest is a kite-shaped suburb. The northern boundary is the Glenelg tramline (with a Black Forest stop), while the southern boundary is defined by the Noarlunga rail line. Clarence Park and Emerson stations are at the apexes.
So the 25 kV wires will certainly be coming to Black Forest (although it seems they are not there yet) and Don Dunstan's question was valid.
Emerson could quite legitimately have been called Black Forest Station. I think Emerson relates to the name of of a local property subdivision at the time of opening; it is next to Emerson Road, Black Forest
62430
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Metro Adelaide
Check the map, and you'll see Black Forest is a kite-shaped suburb. The northern boundary is the Glenelg tramline (with a Black Forest stop), while the southern boundary is defined by the Noarlunga rail line. Clarence Park and Emerson stations are at the apexes.The earth and return conductors are already there! The Cross Rd crossing closure for today seems to have been rescheduled into two parts. Last night the earth and return conductors on both tracks have been clamped to the masts from S of Cross Rd to just south of Fairfax Ave, Millswood. There is a further closure overnight tonight so I guess some catenary and contact wire may appear from Emerson to Clarence Park, where the cantilever arms are on the masts. N of C Pk the arms are lying trackside. I suspect the work was rescheduled to allow driver training to take place today. Late this afternoon 4 3000s over 1/2 hr headed south and I saw three return at c. 5 min intervals.
So the 25 kV wires will certainly be coming to Black Forest (although it seems they are not there yet) and Don Dunstan's question was valid.
Emerson could quite legitimately have been called Black Forest Station. I think Emerson relates to the name of of a local property subdivision at the time of opening; it is next to Emerson Road, Black Forest
Alex C
nm39
Chief Commissioner
Location: By a road taking pictures
Emerson could quite legitimately have been called Black Forest Station. I think Emerson relates to the name of of a local property subdivision at the time of opening; it is next to Emerson Road, Black ForestEmerson Station is named after the small street running from South Rd to the North eastern extent of the platform. This street is named Emerson Rd. By extension, it could be argued that the station is named after the poet Ralph Waldo Emerson as other roads in the immediate area are also named with the same names as other famous literary writers, most of them poets:
- Henry Fielding
- Adam Lindsay Gordon
- John Dryden
- William Cowper
- Homer
- George Gordon Byron, 6th Baron of Byron
- Joseph Addison
justapassenger
Minister for Railways
And as a station located at an intersection where five suburbs meet (four of which have their own rail or tram stations named after the suburbs) it also makes quite a lot of sense to name it after a street. As said above, it as turned into a well-understood unofficial name for the immediate locality around the Glandore/Black Forest/Clarence Park/Clarence Gardens/Edwardstown intersection.
A similar deal applies to Coromandel (the second station in Blackwood, named after the nearby street Coromandel Parade and located nowhere near Coromandel Valley itself) and might have been one of the reasons for the new station replacing Keswick being renamed to Adelaide Showgrounds when the tram line already has a Wayville station.
A similar deal applies to Coromandel (the second station in Blackwood, named after the nearby street Coromandel Parade and located nowhere near Coromandel Valley itself) and might have been one of the reasons for the new station replacing Keswick being renamed to Adelaide Showgrounds when the tram line already has a Wayville station.
Aaron
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: University of Adelaide SA
might have been one of the reasons for the new station replacing Keswick being renamed to Adelaide Showgrounds when the tram line already has a Wayville station.Yes, but we have no other Waywick...
justapassenger
Minister for Railways
… or Kesville!
steam4ian
Chief Commissioner
Unfortunately they are not going to take any notice of us. Somewhat unimaginatively it looks like being "Showgrounds".
JimYarin
Chief Commissioner
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
according to the press today the line will be back to normal next week
http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-13357/
http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-13357/
Milkomeda
Chief Train Controller
according to the press today the line will be back to normal next week
http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-13357/
Little late in posting that by a day
DrJames
Junior Train Controller
Location: Adelaide, SA
according to the press today the line will be back to normal next week
http://www.railpage.com.au/news/article-13357/
Sad that these days, no nights or weekends can be classified as a 'normal' Adelaide train service!
/flippant off
justapassenger
Minister for Railways
The new temporary timetable is now available online and looks to be quite a change from the old full timetable.
Normal service - 4 trains per hour, all trains stopping at all stations, services departing Adelaide run on a clock face timetable. No services run fast through the inner suburbs at this point, but this may change next year if Tonsley reopens and passengers can change at Woodlands Park.
Peak hour - 8 trains in the peak direction only during peak hour with a skip-stop service. No fast or semi-fast trains.
The five extra trains in each direction will presumably start/finish at the Seaford depot so their operation at Noarlunga is equivalent to a through train.
Unlike the Gawler line skip-stop timetable, there are no high-frequency stations in the inner suburbs which will make some inner suburban journeys impossible by train without doubling back as far as Adelaide or Woodlands Park.
Evenings - half-hourly from 7pm to 8pm, then hourly (but replaced by buses until further notice).
Next weekend for the Ashes Test - half-hourly up to 7pm, then hourly (but replaced by buses on other weekends).
Assuming a minimum layover time of five minutes at a terminus, the number of consists required to operate this timetable (keeping in mind it doesn't include Tonsley) will be thirteen, same as it was on the last full timetable which did include Tonsley.
Normal service - 4 trains per hour, all trains stopping at all stations, services departing Adelaide run on a clock face timetable. No services run fast through the inner suburbs at this point, but this may change next year if Tonsley reopens and passengers can change at Woodlands Park.
Peak hour - 8 trains in the peak direction only during peak hour with a skip-stop service. No fast or semi-fast trains.
The five extra trains in each direction will presumably start/finish at the Seaford depot so their operation at Noarlunga is equivalent to a through train.
Unlike the Gawler line skip-stop timetable, there are no high-frequency stations in the inner suburbs which will make some inner suburban journeys impossible by train without doubling back as far as Adelaide or Woodlands Park.
Evenings - half-hourly from 7pm to 8pm, then hourly (but replaced by buses until further notice).
Next weekend for the Ashes Test - half-hourly up to 7pm, then hourly (but replaced by buses on other weekends).
Assuming a minimum layover time of five minutes at a terminus, the number of consists required to operate this timetable (keeping in mind it doesn't include Tonsley) will be thirteen, same as it was on the last full timetable which did include Tonsley.
poxbox3030
Train Controller
Location: Train Control
So will trains be running on Sunday Dec 1st as a trial day then Bus Substitutes on subsequent weekends (not including Ashes)?
Just curious as if they will be running I might take the first train before heading out to the Red Hens at the NRM.
Just curious as if they will be running I might take the first train before heading out to the Red Hens at the NRM.
don_dunstan
Dr Beeching
Location: Adelaide proud
This is only a 'transitional' timetable until the Tonsley line re-opens isn't it? They'll also release another new timetable when they have sufficient 4000's to run on the line I'd imagine.
As per discussions earlier this year I think the aim was to have a quarter-hour clock-face departure until 7pm and then half-hourly evenings and weekends? We'll see what happens when it's all complete anyway.
As per discussions earlier this year I think the aim was to have a quarter-hour clock-face departure until 7pm and then half-hourly evenings and weekends? We'll see what happens when it's all complete anyway.
Top Cat
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Under Hilton Bridge
Hhhhhmmmm....sounds like Adelaide Station might be busy on Sunday 1 December....Noarlunga line trains running and the Ashes on at Adelaide Oval...AND Redhen railcars running all day to and from Port Dock!
witsend
Chief Commissioner
Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Adelaide Oval is next weekend, not this.
I'm assuming that the Belair closures are still occurring in tandem with the Noarlunga Line on similar hours due to the works involved?
I'm assuming that the Belair closures are still occurring in tandem with the Noarlunga Line on similar hours due to the works involved?
Aaron
The Ghost of George Stephenson
Location: University of Adelaide SA
Unfortunately they are not going to take any notice of us. Somewhat unimaginatively it looks like being "Showgrounds".Mmmm, I hate that name already, why name a station after a 10 day per year event? They may just as well rename Adelaide to 'Football Oval'.
Scooter_Guy
Chief Train Controller
Location: Adelaide, SA. Suburb: Redwood Park
Hip Hip Huzzah!
It's been a long time coming!
At last, the long wait is over!
Next week I'll be taking the train to Noarlunga instead of those bumpy, rickety, noisy, smelly, dusty & dirty old buses!
It's been a long time coming!
At last, the long wait is over!
Next week I'll be taking the train to Noarlunga instead of those bumpy, rickety, noisy, smelly, dusty & dirty old buses!
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