NR loco Sea Train and Steel Link

 
  Erail Locomotive Fireman

HI Everyone,
I was wondering why there were two each of Sea Train and Steel Link livery NR locos? Where these painted for a specific purpose and if so what was it?

Thanks for any info.
T

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  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Erail - the special NR Class colour schemes were all to promote a special type of train, as detailed below (obviously the specially painted locmotives did not work every service of the type they were painted for):

SteelLink - NRC ran a number of steel services across the country, which are now operated by PN. Services such as NY3, PW4, BW4, and so forth were called "SteelLink" services. SteelLink livery was a blue/grey.

NR58, NR59 and NR60 all wore SteelLink grey if I am correct.

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SeaTrain - These were container services linking ports up. I am not sure on which routes ran, but I believe some of them were out of Port Botany at one stage. The SeaTrain livery was blue and white.

NR56 and NR57 were painted in SeaTrain colours.

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Trailerail - Again, I'm not sure too much about the exact routes, but these trains ran piggyback style, with truck trailers on trains being railed across the country, similar to what is quite common in the US. I'm sure one of the more longstanding railfans here can provide more assistance on the services.

NR53, NR54 and NR55 wore Trailerail colours.

None of these photos below are mine, they were found with a quick search on Flickr!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/squeeks-imagery/4033192650/
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  V544 Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
SeaTrain - These were container services linking ports up. I am not sure on which routes ran, but I believe some of them were out of Port Botany at one stage. The SeaTrain livery was blue and white.
"Raichase"

Pretty sure SeaTrain was Sydney (Port Botany) to Brisbane (Fishermans Island). There might have been another route but that was the most prominent one I seem to remember. Most of the SeaTrain traffic was lost to road at some point I think?

Trailerail - Again, I'm not sure too much about the exact routes, but these trains ran piggyback style, with truck trailers on trains being railed across the country, similar to what is quite common in the US. I'm sure one of the more longstanding railfans here can provide more assistance on the services..
"Raichase"

Trailerail services ran between Melbourne-Perth and Sydney-Perth. There's also a connecting service from Adelaide to Port Augusta for the Sydney-Perth Trailerail trains, but not sure how often it runs.

Depending on your definition of the concept, it was actually (specially suited) road trailers coupled to modified bogies. So not really piggyback in a way. Perhaps you're thinking of TOFC that AN ran during its heyday?

PS. Sorry to be pedantic in the last part of the post Embarassed
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Pretty sure SeaTrain was Sydney (Port Botany) to Brisbane (Fishermans Island). There might have been another route but that was the most prominent one I seem to remember. Most of the SeaTrain traffic was lost to road at some point I think?
"V544"


I'll admit that does sound familiar - this was before my time as a railfan, but I do have some old issues of Digest floating around that have information about the first run. Might be worth digging it up.

Trailerail services ran between Melbourne-Perth and Sydney-Perth. There's also a connecting service from Adelaide to Port Augusta for the Sydney-Perth Trailerail trains, but not sure how often it runs.

Depending on your definition of the concept, it was actually (specially suited) road trailers coupled to modified bogies. So not really piggyback in a way. Perhaps you're thinking of TOFC that AN ran during its heyday?

PS. Sorry to be pedantic in the last part of the post Embarassed
"V544"


Don't be sorry about being "pedantic" as you put it - better to correct incorrect information and add to it, contrary to popular belief (at least round these parts) that's how we all learn! You're correct, I was thinking of the TOFC trains, I don't think I've seen photos of a Trailerail service with NRC.

Thanks heaps for sharing, this was all information I did not know!
  M636C Minister for Railways

The Trailerail vans and bogies had been used by AN in what they called Roadrailer service. There was a special design of van with an angled roof to fit the Blue Mountains tunnels and these were easily identified.

These vans are now all out of service, I believe. There was a different design of van and bogie operated by Macrail which continued in service longer.

I think Trailerail then started running trains made up entirely of curtain side 48 feet containers on single level five packs, presumably with palletised traffic. The Macrail vans sometimes trailed these trains.

I'm not sure that any Trailerail road rail vans are still in use. I last saw the Macrail vans a year ago.

M636C
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
I believe that trailerail does still operate out of Perth (or else did until fairly recently).  The bogies and trailers can be seen on one side of PN's yard.  They don't come in or out during the day.
There used to be whole trains of trailerail wagons, but by the time I started photographing, there was only one daylight train out of Perth that had them, and it was only up to 12 on the end of the train.
  V544 Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
The Trailerail vans and bogies had been used by AN in what they called Roadrailer service. There was a special design of van with an angled roof to fit the Blue Mountains tunnels and these were easily identified.

These vans are now all out of service, I believe. There was a different design of van and bogie operated by Macrail which continued in service longer.
"M636C"

I have a few photos on my hard drive of those angled roof trailers. They aren't mine though so I can't put them up here...

But all of them appear to be both refrigerated (Macfield, RAND and Refrigeration) aswell as a couple that look like they're designed to carry finished autos. These ones are stencilled 'TNT Automotive' and have a fishbelly underframe on them.

I think Trailerail then started running trains made up entirely of curtain side 48 feet containers on single level five packs, presumably with palletised traffic. The Macrail vans sometimes trailed these trains.
"M636C"

Ok going slightly off topic here, but my understanding of this was that Trailerail had "outlived it's usefullness". Something along the lines of NRC and/or PN not investing in more trailers to expand the (then) current fleet. Hence why they switched to 5-pack container wagons.

I'm not sure that any Trailerail road rail vans are still in use. I last saw the Macrail vans a year ago.
"M636C"

There's a couple of stored Trailerail vans at the Melbourne end of South Dynon (opposite the Creek Sidings). But I haven't been past there for a while, so I'm not sure if they're still sitting there. But last time I saw them the curtains on them looked quite torn.
  Erail Locomotive Fireman

thanks everyone for the info. Its great
  M636C Minister for Railways

I meant to mention that the US Roadrailer trains appeared in an ABC documentary recently.

The program was describing a fundamentalist Christian group opposed to Evolutionary theory in a small town (I think Dayton Tennnessee, but definitely not Dayton Ohio).

The opening scenes showed a Union Pacific Dash 9-44 leading a similar Norfolk Southern unit on a block load of Triple Crown Roadrailers. These are older than the Australian ones and seem to hang in there but thay are all aluminium side vans, not Tautliners. I guess NR and PN didn't want to know....

M636C
  Westrail_Q_301 Junior Train Controller

So am I right in assuming the SeaTrain service did not last into Pacific National ownership? and that the service did not include a trip across to Perth (either Kewdale or Fremantle)?

Ned.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I meant to mention that the US Roadrailer trains appeared in an ABC documentary recently.

The program was describing a fundamentalist Christian group opposed to Evolutionary theory in a small town (I think Dayton Tennnessee, but definitely not Dayton Ohio).

The opening scenes showed a Union Pacific Dash 9-44 leading a similar Norfolk Southern unit on a block load of Triple Crown Roadrailers. These are older than the Australian ones and seem to hang in there but thay are all aluminium side vans, not Tautliners. I guess NR and PN didn't want to know....

M636C
M636C
Amtrak had some also which I believe Norfolk Southern or CSX ended up with. Still going very strong in the USA but I guess small stuff compared to other inter-model methods used over there. I guess that makes it viable in the USA but maybe not here when you scale down what is on offer here (It is always the population equation of 23 million vs 350 million).

Rod
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The idea of the "Seatrain" was to land bridge ports with trains because they are naturally faster than shipping . One notable service was SB3 which ran from Botany to Brisbane .

Road Railers were a bit of a fail into/out of Sydney because their frames were too light for rail use particularly over the grades of the Blue Mountains . Really too light for rail and too heavy tare wise for road . Provided you have lifting means in terminals containers are easier and faster than convertible wagons .
Also over here the Road Railers didn't like have three or four five pacs in front of them with different braking characteristics . Those Road Railers had a maxi brake system not unlike road trucks but with a small compared to conventional brake pipe size .
Everyone feared losing the air on a Ra
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
SeaTrain ran predominately (exclusively?) from Botany to Brisbane and was run with ex NSW 'black flats' (75 foot) plus a number of specially painted NOCY opens. This was due due to 63' wagons not being available for whatever reason (real, imaginary or political) I don't remember.

I do remember quite a number of SeaTrain publicity photos being taken at Dynon which I should have somewhere in my treasures at home but goodness knows where.

I don't recall SeaTrain's demise as such but wonder whether it was related to the second Sydney - Brisbane Superfreighter that ran 3 or 4 days a week back in the days plus the relative inefficiency of the RQRXs which were long, slow, heavy, non standard in some ways and 'light' drawgear.

There was quite a bit of publicity in the early NR days in its various media but I don't know where you would find that these days.

The head of the NR SeaTrain Division was traditionally addressed as 'Admiral xxxxx'.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
On National Rail's SB/BS services, three, sometimes four 80 Class were common up front. 8)
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
In the 'Here And There' section of Jan 96 ARHS Bulletin there is a bit about Seatrain.
It says "Seatrain, NRs fixed consist dedicated service between Port Botany and Brisbane has celebrated it's first birthday. The 22 wagon service runs five days per week. A feature of this service is the quick turn around at Acacia Ridge, where containers are transferred directly to B double trucks in a 3 1/2 hour period. A second service operates daily between Melbourne and Port Adelaide."

As YM-Mundrabilla said, it had mostly the 75' 'Titanic' wagons initially. Many of these were repainted early on into NR blue - grey without marigold on the side sills. These soon ended up stacked without bogies at Somerton.
They were replaced with the Seatrain division owned RQTY wagons. These were rebuilt from various codes that were all originally SAR and VR FQX type. They were done at Goulburn workshops. I think there were 90. They were fitted with 70T bogies and skeletalized. They all came out of shops with a distinct upward curve that must of been applied during rebuild as I doubt that the slight lightening would of caused this! They were painted Seatrain blue (same as on NR 56 and 57) with marigold side sills. They still get around today anywhere a PN intermodal wagon goes.

Around 1990, SRA and V/line ran a train of shipping containers twice per week, Sydney to Melbourne. It was one way, the wagons went back on other goods trains. It was called 'Linertrains'.

Cheers, Matt.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
As YM-Mundrabilla said, it had mostly the 75' 'Titanic' wagons initially. Many of these were repainted early on into NR blue - grey without marigold on the side sills. These soon ended up stacked without bogies at Somerton.
They were replaced with the Seatrain division owned RQTY wagons. These were rebuilt from various codes that were all originally SAR and VR FQX type. They were done at Goulburn workshops. I think there were 90. They were fitted with 70T bogies and skeletalized. They all came out of shops with a distinct upward curve that must of been applied during rebuild as I doubt that the slight lightening would of caused this! They were painted Seatrain blue (same as on NR 56 and 57) with marigold side sills. They still get around today anywhere a PN intermodal wagon goes.
EFB5800

Some photos of RQTY wagons, these days they're most commonly found on steel trains

RQTY 116 F
[img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6795195665_194fc90f7d.jpg[/img]

RQTY 15 M

[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8302/7961630404_b65e1109ff.jpg[/img]

RQTY 37 A

[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8471/8361175356_8460cf72d6.jpg[/img]

RQTY 552 G

[img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6795190215_d98fdd5498.jpg[/img]

RQTY 590 U

[img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8358/8360096801_dfe32bc4c1.jpg[/img]

RQTY 54 M

[img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3684/10861698576_91fe654c35.jpg[/img]

EDIT: So I've finally figured out how to get photos to show in the current RP version. Click on them to go to the image's page on my Flickr...

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