3830 Trials

 
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
It just occurred to me that since this thread was started the title has taken on a new meaning! 8)
Graham4405
I think we are still fairly relevant to the topic, however you may have a case to close this thread with "Due to all the parts of 3830 having being removed from this loco, the 3830 trials will not be happening any time soon" Wink

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  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
the 3830 trials will not be happening any time soon" Wink
Spiritman
No, no. My point is that 3830's trials are ongoing, but not in the sense they were when this thread was started!
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
No, no. My point is that 3830's trials are ongoing, but not in the sense they were when this thread was started!
Graham4405
A play on words! I got it Smile

Perhaps changing the thread title to "3830: Return To Service" might be a better idea?
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

If it needs a new boiler then it is probably in trouble.
After the 3801 fiasco it would be hard for any group to find the cash to have another one of these constructed.
I fear 3830 will become another static display if the situation is as bad as it seems.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
If it needs a new boiler then it is probably in trouble.
After the 3801 fiasco it would be hard for any group to find the cash to have another one of these constructed.
Showtime


After that one would hope some lessons had been learned.

I fear 3830 will become another static display if the situation is as bad as it seems.
Showtime


Let's hope not!
  Spiritman Train Controller

Location: Camden, NSW
Until we see the report by the engineer we wont know for certain how long this overhaul will take. I suspect that it will be sometime (years) before we see 3830 back in service unfortunately. At least we will have the "pointy one" back sometime next year Laughing
  tezza Chief Commissioner

I'm not to sure during the 1960s when 3830 was aquired by the Museum of Applied Arts and Sciences for preservation if it was intended to ever be a trafficable exhibit, hence no spare boiler was obtained.
But you really cant excuse the poor management of that era by the NSW Rail Transport Museum in not aquiring a spare 38 class boiler or two  when they may have been available as freebies from the Dept.  or for purchase when 38 class were disposed of as scrap for $5000
  allambee Chief Train Controller

I'm not to sure during the 1960s when 3830 was aquired by the Museum of Applied Arts and Sciences for preservation if it was intended to ever be a trafficable exhibit, hence no spare boiler was obtained.
But you really cant excuse the poor management of that era by the NSW Rail Transport Museum in not aquiring a spare 38 class boiler or two  when they may have been available as freebies from the Dept.  or for purchase when 38 class were disposed of as scrap for $5000
tezza
I recall the MAAS intended to section 3830 for display purposes. So the story goes, it was discovered the cost of sectioning would be greater than full restoration.

Yep. you are right, no forward planning department in those days.
It would have only taken a phone call to the right people within the railways to procure a spare boiler or two off scrapped locomotives for the classes intended to remain in operating condition. I suppose people at the RTM thought the support from the Commission would go on forever. How wrong they were when they were kicked out of Enfield and had to rely on the Minster to save their bacon.
The RTM were lucky to get the 36 class boilers at Chullora. Unfortunately (expect one boiler) they haven't been put to use. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the RTM turn its nose up at the hospital round top 36 class boiler?

I keep thinking 3820's boiler (if reasonable) must be in the cross-hairs to have if 3830's boiler is cactus. That's despite the current "never to be restored attitude".
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

While Powerhouse Museum likes to have the items in its collection in a complete, workable condition, it is not a core activity of PHM to operate trains.   Remember, that the Steam Tram Motor preserved as 1A was overhauled by the RTM, but has never been steamed subsequently by PHM.   The same applies to locomotive 1243.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
No, no. My point is that 3830's trials are ongoing, but not in the sense they were when this thread was started!
"graham4405"
Just add "... and tribulations."
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Let's knock off the boiler that's coming from Germany and stick it on 3830.Laughing

3830's a much better looking engine than its sibling with the disguise.
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

We may all think so, but a recent on-line poll in the UK placed 3801 and the second most popular steam locomotive in the World behind Flying Scotsman.   Well, the pomms are biased!
  tezza Chief Commissioner

The online poll in the UK was probably based upon which locomotive was the more stylish of the two, The Flying Scotsman or the Big Green Dildo.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
3801 certainly looks better than an A4.
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
Could someone please post a summary of The Railway News article?
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
3801 certainly looks better than an A4.
YM-Mundrabilla
That is a matter of opinion...
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

Could someone please post a summary of The Railway News article?
TheFish
Why not simply go and purchase a copy?!   It is now in the ARHS Bookshop and elsewhere.   These specialist niche publications need your support.
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

I'm not to sure during the 1960s when 3830 was aquired by the Museum of Applied Arts and Sciences for preservation if it was intended to ever be a trafficable exhibit, hence no spare boiler was obtained.
But you really cant excuse the poor management of that era by the NSW Rail Transport Museum in not aquiring a spare 38 class boiler or two  when they may have been available as freebies from the Dept.  or for purchase when 38 class were disposed of as scrap for $5000
tezza
No such poor management.  Items for retention at that time were decided upon by the Department, even if recommended by RTM.  Witness a lack of D-58 Class nowadays or a similar lack of NCR Sets and Enfield Locomotive Depots.  

Remember that there were 35 boilers for the 30 locos.  Each boiler was reaching the end of its life as they were condemned and then scrapped.  The last one to be scrapped was Boiler 3815 in Locomotive 3818 in early 1971.  Since each boiler was in poor condition as it was withdrawn, the Department did not keep any spares.  You have to remember that RTM was casting around for a new 38 Class boiler in the early to mid 1970's, being told by one UK firm, misunderstanding what was being asked for, that it would be cheaper to get them to recondition a Castle from Barry.

The four boilers left, 3801a (3830), 3803a (3813), 3819 (ex-3801, now 'spare') and 3825a (3820) were among the best ones at the time.  In some ways, we are lucky that we have three of the five spare boilers because they are the youngest of the lot.

3820 is only still with us due to excellent management and foresight during that era by the NSW Rail Transport Museum.  Without a sound, reasoned argument in favour of retaining it for traffic purposes, that was mounted by the NSW Rail Transport Museum, it would have gone to Sims very quickly after 29/12/1970.  Indeed, it could have gone there coupled to 3818.  In some ways, you could call it a defacto spare boiler, fitted to a full set of spare components that rather happily make up a complete locomotive.

The only reason that we have spare 36 Class boilers is that they were relatively new, having between 5 to 12 years of use.  Hence many were kept for stationary boiler use, replacing a motley collection of older boilers in the process.
  Groover Train Controller

Location: A long way from home
Why not simply go and purchase a copy?!   It is now in the ARHS Bookshop and elsewhere.   These specialist niche publications need your support.
hunslet1915
You answered your own question.  It is a specialist niche publication which by definition tells you it has a limited reader base and is probably on life support.  For those of us in country areas who depend on the Forums and can't afford the luxury of subscribing to every railway publication for what may be one interesting article so often, your suggestion is trite.  Simply going and doing something isn't that easy for everyone.  I get to go the ARHS Bookshop maybe twice a year.  So I will wait til someone gives a précis somewhere of the article.  By publishing it in a specialist, niche publication and then implying everyone should simply go and buy it you have done yourself a disservice as a potentially credible reporter of preservation matters.  To gain widespread acceptance and credibility maybe casting to widest possible audience would have been smarter.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Why not simply go and purchase a copy?!   It is now in the ARHS Bookshop and elsewhere.   These specialist niche publications need your support.
hunslet1915
It doesn't seem to be available in their Online Store and I have never seen it for sale locally. Can you please advise where I can buy it locally?
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
Why not simply go and purchase a copy?!   It is now in the ARHS Bookshop and elsewhere.   These specialist niche publications need your support.
hunslet1915
I'm sorry if that seems a hard question to ask. I'm only wanting a couple of lines, the sort of thing that usually would be posted by someone in a forum anyway.

I've asked it firstly so it gives the forum something to discuss rather than only "the boys in the know" knowing, secondly because I was under the impression it was not a widely available publication and thirdly as previous posts have suggested I haven't happened to be able to get to anywhere that sells it yet.
  smithy48165 Station Staff

Speaking of 36 Class boilers,

Are the boilers still there at the side of the northern end of the LES at Eveleigh (closest to the CME's Office)?

I remember seeing them there a couple of years ago, being used (or un-used) as stationary boilers.

Perhaps the RTM better check and make an offer while they still can.

Or has that opportunity been lost?

Regards

Smithy
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

I think that you will find those stationary boilers form part of the heritage precinct under control of the Australian Technology Park and cannot be removed.   I have an idea that these are standard goods boilers, but I stand to be corrected.
  a6et Minister for Railways

There was a report in an old RTM magazine that indicated 8 unused 36cl boilers that had been stored at Chullora were donated to the RTM, the article indicated that with these boilers there would be a 36cl running around for many years to come, also IIRC that this would allow for the 3 pigs to be in serviceable condition.  The problem of course may well be the over deteriation of the rest of the engines as they have been in the outside elements for how many years now, & whether or not the boilers got to Thirlmere, & where & how they too were stored.
  allambee Chief Train Controller

There was a report in an old RTM magazine that indicated 8 unused 36cl boilers that had been stored at Chullora were donated to the RTM, the article indicated that with these boilers there would be a 36cl running around for many years to come, also IIRC that this would allow for the 3 pigs to be in serviceable condition.  The problem of course may well be the over deteriation of the rest of the engines as they have been in the outside elements for how many years now, & whether or not the boilers got to Thirlmere, & where & how they too were stored.
a6et
I recall there was also a round top 36 class boiler available elsewhere.
The "magic" locomotive 3801 name is supposedly a draw-card for customers on rail tours. I didn't think the public attraction is as strong as the RTM say it is. Its all a case of ego having it operational. I would safely say with all the money and man-hour resources spent on 3801 and its sister, you could have all three 36 class locomotives operational now and used for rail tours.

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