RRL Project - West Werribee / Southern Cross

 
  oldghan Station Master

What is the current speed limit between West Werribee and Corio?

Are there any proposals to change it?

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
What is the current speed limit between West Werribee and Corio?

Are there any proposals to change it?
oldghan
16o km/h when trains are left hand running, 130 km/h when right hand running.

No plans to introduce higher speed limits, that would probably require level crossing removal and a new design of rolling stock.
  oldghan Station Master

Please explain left and right hand running please.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Please explain left and right hand running please.
oldghan
BI directional signalled tracks, the signalling system favours left hand running (a express train can overtake a slow train)
  oldghan Station Master

Thank you very much for the explaination.  Why does this need to be so?  The signals are atop the gantrys are they not?  They are clearly visible to drivers on either line?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Thank you very much for the explanation.  Why does this need to be so?  The signals are atop the gantrys are they not?  They are clearly visible to drivers on either line?
oldghan
How long is a piece of string... Confused

Who knows why the East and West lines (their correct terms) are posted at different maximum speeds, it may have been some kind of economy measure when the RFR project was rolled out to Geelong or perhaps something to do with the TPWS (Train Protection Warning System), those steel grilles about a metre long by .05 metre wide near the foot of signal gantry's

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
How long is a piece of string... Confused

Who knows why the East and West lines (their correct terms) are posted at different maximum speeds, it may have been some kind of economy measure when the RFR project was rolled out to Geelong or perhaps something to do with the TPWS (Train Protection Warning System), those steel grilles about a metre long by .05 metre wide near the foot of signal gantry's

Mike.
The Vinelander
Both East and West lines have the same maximum speed when trains are running the normal left hand running, but If a train gets signalled to run right hand running (traditionally called running wrong road) the maximum speed is limited to 130 km/h
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Both East and West lines have the same maximum speed when trains are running the normal left hand running, but If a train gets signalled to run right hand running (traditionally called running wrong road) the maximum speed is limited to 130 km/h
Nightfire
Thanks for the clarification.

Mike.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

I believe the 130kph limit relates to the TPWS equipment and track circuits
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Small update from my observations on Friday:

The dirt mound and retaining walls between the Maribyrnong rail bridge and rail-over-rail flyover was nearing completion. Track had been laid from South Kensington towards the bridge, as well as from Tottenham substation to and including Tottenham railway station.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Another small update from today:

Track has been laid from Southern to, but not including, Footscray Station, except for a small bit that needs to be connected to the flyover tracks. Footscray Station appears to be nearing completion, with the platforms coming along nicely and the bit over the freight tracks yet to be constructed.

The former platform 1 at West Footscray has been partly demolished, currently looking like a long dirt mound.

A short section of track between West Footscray and Tottenham stations has been laid. The Anderson Rd grade separation for the Ballarat line appears to be almost fully excavated, while the Bendigo line grade separation has a long way to go.
  alstom_888m Chief Commissioner

Location:
No plans to introduce higher speed limits, that would probably require level crossing removal and a new design of rolling stock.
Nightfire
I don't know how fast a VLocity can really go, but it's quite a bit faster than 160. Wink
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I don't know how fast a VLocity can really go, but it's quite a bit faster than 160. Wink
alstom_888m
Vlocity's are speed limited to 175~6 km/h, they were tested at speeds above 200 km/h between Warragul and Moe, but suffered rough riding to the point the front panels came loose and came of the train.

Fuel consumption would be very poor at the upper limits.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Vlocity's are speed limited to 175~6 km/h, they were tested at speeds above 200 km/h between Warragul and Moe, but suffered rough riding to the point the front panels came loose and came of the train.

Fuel consumption would be very poor at the upper limits.
"Nightfire"


So is the Vlocity faster than the XPT?
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

So is the Vlocity faster than the XPT?
GeoffreyHansen
The XPT has reached 194 kph in NSW
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
So is the Vlocity faster than the XPT?
GeoffreyHansen
The XPT Is old

The Rockhampton tilt train has a 210 km/h record

The Transwa Prospector was designed to run at 200 km/h In normal service, but top speed was capped at 160 km/h for normal service due to track Issues.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
So is the Vlocity faster than the XPT?
GeoffreyHansen
V/locities are lighter and have 30+ years of advances in materials and technology. It'd be safe to assume they're faster than an XPT Smile
  712M Chief Commissioner

Platforms 15/16 at Southern Cross to open in 3 weeks with Geelong trains to skip North Melbourne. Warrnambool trains will also be run by a Vlocity between Melbourne and Geelong to connect with the loco-hauled set.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Warrnambool trains will also be run by a Vlocity between Melbourne and Geelong to connect with the loco-hauled set.
712M
Is that a permanent change?
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Is this so the eastern branch of RRL can be connected to the tracks into Southern Cross during the January shutdown ? At present it ends just south of Dudley Street.   It is not normally Vline's policy to make passengers change trains, but if most access to platforms 1-8 is cut off they will need to use the western RRL branch more extensively, and it doesn't have the facilities for locomotives to change ends.  There will also be plenty of spare Vlocities with RRL works on the Ballarat and Bendiog lines.
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Is this so the eastern branch of RRL can be connected to the tracks into Southern Cross during the January shutdown ? At present it ends just south of Dudley Street.   It is not normally Vline's policy to make passengers change trains, but if most access to platforms 1-8 is cut off they will need to use the western RRL branch more extensively, and it doesn't have the facilities for locomotives to change ends.  There will also be plenty of spare Vlocities with RRL works on the Ballarat and Bendigo lines.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Is that a permanent change?
michaelgreenhill
According to this it's only for the duration of the summer shutdown.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I notice that the new track been laid between SSS and Sunshine have a lot of "check rails" why?

Victorian Railways used very few check rails on the Victorian network ! only on very sharp curves or bridges that were In poor condition.

ARTC has concluded that check rails are not necessary and will faze them out on their network (they control)
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
V/locities are lighter and have 30+ years of advances in materials and technology. It'd be safe to assume they're faster than an XPT Smile
michaelgreenhill
I wonder, is the XPT the same as the IC125 or was it substantially modified for Aussie conditions?  I think it's safe to assume they never get anywhere near the speeds they operate at in the UK.  In relation to Vlocity, I heard somewhere that Bombardier insisted they should be speed-limited in normal revenue service to 160kmh, can anyone confirm that?  There were a number of things they didn't want to take responsibility for above those speeds, not just panels flying off.

It would be interesting to know if the track conditions were suitable if they could cruise safely at higher speeds but I'm not anticipating that will happen any time soon.

Platforms 15/16 at Southern Cross to open in 3 weeks with Geelong trains to skip North Melbourne.
712m
Does anyone know if that's all Geelong trains from now on or just some of them/for the time being?  Also, is it only Geelong trains using those platforms or would other services use them as well?  I'm assuming any service could use them once they're open.
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
I wonder, is the XPT the same as the IC125 or was it substantially modified for Aussie conditions?  I think it's safe to assume they never get anywhere near the speeds they operate at in the UK.
don_dunstan
With all due respect, I think it is safe to say that you do not know much about Australian railways, and your basic research skills are non-existent.

A basic look at Wikipedia (I know, not the most reliable of sources, but accurate enough in this case) will tell you that there were substantial modifications, and that the XPT goes nowhere near what the IC125 does.

If you were to do even basic research before posting, you wouldn't be cluttering up these boards.

I know that there are some who say "These sites are there to ask questions, and to obtain answers", but we are talking about the internet, and the answers are out there and readily obtainable even by those who do not know how to search.

Sorry for my rant, but every time I see posts like yours, I see red.

Dave

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