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      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Weren't these units lurking ovenight/stored in Platform 1 at Rockdale last week.
    I thought I caught glimpses of 1202 and 1204 on separate days last week.
    Unusual place to keep them
    stopblock
    Should have been 1201 and 1202. They were stabled there as they were going o/night signal testing on the Illawarra and East Hills lines.
    Posted: 09 Dec 2013 12:47

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      stopblock Junior Train Controller

    Location: Planet Earth
    Should have been 1201 and 1202. They were stabled there as they were going o/night signal testing on the Illawarra and East Hills lines.
    Raichase
    Thanks Raichase
    I thought that Platform 1 at Rockdale was a little unusual, (and more exciting than a track machine for that location) so that explanation makes sense.
    Forgive me for pressing the point, but I am sure that it was over a couple of nights during the week, and one of the numbers I caught a glimpse of was (I am sure) was 1204 on my first glimpse coming through Rockdale and when I looked a gain a day or so later, saw the number 1202. If 1204 was elsewhere then so be it...but I am just making sure I didn't make it up.

    regards
    Stopblock
    Posted: 09 Dec 2013 13:41
      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Thanks Raichase
    I thought that Platform 1 at Rockdale was a little unusual, (and more exciting than a track machine for that location) so that explanation makes sense.
    Forgive me for pressing the point, but I am sure that it was over a couple of nights during the week, and one of the numbers I caught a glimpse of was (I am sure) was 1204 on my first glimpse coming through Rockdale and when I looked a gain a day or so later, saw the number 1202. If 1204 was elsewhere then so be it...but I am just making sure I didn't make it up.

    regards
    Stopblock
    stopblock
    Considering 1204 is still in the USA, I'd suggest it might have been the font on 1201? I can't offer any other explanation, except that 1201 and 1202 are the only locos in the country.
    Posted: 09 Dec 2013 14:01
      stopblock Junior Train Controller

    Location: Planet Earth
    Considering 1204 is still in the USA, I'd suggest it might have been the font on 1201? I can't offer any other explanation, except that 1201 and 1202 are the only locos in the country.
    Raichase

    Riiight!!!!

    Now my next appointment will be for an eyesight test!!!

    ThanksRaichase
    Posted: 09 Dec 2013 17:05
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    Just for the record, 1201/1202 are now at Islington Works in South Australia.

    Reportedly on long term lease for working the Balco train.
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 11:48
      P2017 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Geraldton
    Who are they owned by now that Elzorro is not around anymore?
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 13:56
      M636C Minister for Railways

    Who are they owned by now that Elzorro is not around anymore?
    P2017

    I think they have always been owned by the manufacturer, NREC.

    I'm not sure that they ever were formally leased to El Zorro, not that it matters.

    M636C
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 14:06
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    I think they have always been owned by the manufacturer, NREC.

    I'm not sure that they ever were formally leased to El Zorro, not that it matters.

    M636C
    M636C


    They are owned by NREC.  El Zorro never took posession.
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 15:01
      P2017 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Geraldton
    Thanks Guys for the answers.
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 19:03
      seb2351 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Sydney
    Just for the record, 1201/1202 are now at Islington Works in South Australia.

    Reportedly on long term lease for working the Balco train.
    bingley hall

    Does/will the Balco still have the CM's working on it, or will they be swapped out with these other locomotives?

    Probably a continuation of a stupid question, but does the Balco only ever run the 1 set of flats to Adelaide?

    Thanks Smile
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 20:15
      K-Class Chief Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne
    Does/will the Balco still have the CM's working on it, or will they be swapped out with these other locomotives?

    Probably a continuation of a stupid question, but does the Balco only ever run the 1 set of flats to Adelaide?

    Thanks Smile
    seb2351

    The CM's left Adelaide bound for Goulburn on the 29th of November and is currently running with GL108.
    There is only one rake of flats used for the Balco
    Matt
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 20:54
      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    Where the cm class not well liked ?
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 21:39
      K-Class Chief Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne
    Where the cm class not well liked ?
    freightgate

    The story I have heard is that they were well liked, much more than GL108, but the Gensets will be cheaper.
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 21:52
      jmt Deputy Commissioner

    Where the cm class not well liked ?
    freightgate

    The CM are owned CFCLA

    CFCLA are a JV between Sasser Family Holdings, Inc. of the USA and Marubeni Corporation of Japan, The JV probably has a floorplan to finance their fleet of new build locos, be assured that they did not pay cash for them, they are not fools

    The CM have a CIF Australia price of around $3.5 mil

    The CFCLA JV is in business to generate profits, the lease of new locos is not cheap, CFCLA need to generate sufficient return to pay their financiers, then make sufficient margin to run their business, and pay their two shareholders a dividend

    1201/1202 are owned by the builder, probably on NREC Australia's books at close to actual cost, NREC should always be able to cut price to beat CFCLA's rate, and still maintain a profit. I would think that NREC's cost for these gensets is probably a million less than a CM
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 22:13
      M636C Minister for Railways

    1201/1202 are owned by the builder, probably on NREC Australia's books at close to actual cost, NREC should always be able to cut price to beat CFCLA's rate, and still maintain a profit. I would think that NREC's cost for these gensets is probably a million less than a CM
    jmt

    Not to mention that even at the gross rating the 1200 class are good for 2400 HP, say 2100 HP into the generator.
    The CM are 3300HP gross, 3000HP into the generator.

    So you would expect to pay more for a CM than a 1200.

    If the 1200 can do the job, and could be expected to save a lot of fuel by idling only a single engine while waiting, they might be a good deal.

    M636C
    Posted: 03 Dec 2014 22:54
      KngtRider Chief Commissioner

    Location: http://www.nitroware.net
    New Roster shot of 1203

    http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=545453&nseq=27

    Not going to get a better picture of it again IMO
    and I suspect that's one of the DB ICE liveried F59ACs in the corner of the picture so looks like they dumped 1203 into 'rotten row' until they figure out what to do with it
    Posted: 07 Sep 2015 18:20
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    1201/1202 (currently stored at Islington Wks) reportedly sold to SCT.
    Posted: 10 Feb 2017 00:46
      seb2351 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Sydney
    1201/1202 (currently stored at Islington Wks) reportedly sold to SCT.
    bingley hall
    I think sold is a strong word to use right now.

    I would not be surprised if there was trial being undertaken by SCT using these locos, as the first step towards a possible sale in the near future however.
    Posted: 10 Feb 2017 00:54
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    Worked their first revenue trial for SCT this morning on the wine train shuttle from Penfield to Port Adelaide and back.

    Image by Rhys McDonald - shared with permission

    https://flic.kr/p/SHFCsm
    Posted: 09 Mar 2017 14:11

    Last edited by bingley hall on 09 Mar 2017 14:40; edited 1 time in total
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    These units entered service with SCT this week.
    Posted: 15 Mar 2017 16:27
      bingley hall Minister for Railways

    Location: Last train to Skaville
    These units entered service with SCT this week.
    bevans

    No - that picture was taken last week.
    Posted: 15 Mar 2017 16:37
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    These units entered service with SCT this week.

    No - that picture was taken last week.
    bingley hall

    last week was it thanks.
    Posted: 15 Mar 2017 16:45

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