ARG/QR Locos and movements

 
  Bahnfrend Station Master

Location: Perth, WA
I checked them out a couple of weeks ago.

As well as the DAZs, D1562 is in there as is A1202 and the two NJs and 1251.
I'm told that ALZ 3208 is included as are the line of stripped 22s, 422s and a 31.

One AB was still shunting the narrow gauge wagon shop.

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M636C
I wonder what the asking prices are.  It would be good to see one or two of them as preserved locomotives out at the wheatbelt heritage centre, especially an NJ and a D or DA.  However, I suspect that most, if not all, of them, will be heading off to Chile or Southern Africa sooner or later.

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  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
I wonder what the asking prices are.  It would be good to see one or two of them as preserved locomotives out at the wheatbelt heritage centre, especially an NJ and a D or DA.  However, I suspect that most, if not all, of them, will be heading off to Chile or Southern Africa sooner or later.
Bahnfrend

why should we preserve an nj here? they have no history or heritage value over here at all. as for the other locos you mentioned yeah either the d or da should be preserved but I also think an "L" class should be preserved at some stage somewhere.
wal.
  Bahnfrend Station Master

Location: Perth, WA
why should we preserve an nj here? they have no history or heritage value over here at all. as for the other locos you mentioned yeah either the d or da should be preserved but I also think an "L" class should be preserved at some stage somewhere.
wal.
wn514
The NJ is an historic Australian-made class of locomotive built for a federal government owned railway.  The class has run in NT, SA and WA.  I believe that the first one to come to WA came here more than a decade ago.  NJs can't be preserved in running order in NT, because there's no running narrow gauge line there.  There would be little point in preserving them on the Eyre Peninsula - it's too remote from Adelaide.  (I know from experience that it takes a whole day to drive Adelaide to Ceduna, and Adelaide to Port Lincoln is a similar distance.)  So that leaves WA, and the logical place in which to preserve one in WA would be the wheatbelt.

I agree that an L class should be preserved somewhere.  I would have thought that the logical place to preserve an L class would be the Bassendean museum.  But as far as I know, the ones that haven't been scrapped are still wanted by their owners to haul trains.
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
I imagine that South Spur or whoever they are now would love to get the DD class's. Frankly, so would I.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
Are the locos for sale hobbled with conditions that prevent any new owner from turning a wheel in WA?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

In Queensland, Aurizon has a caveat on sales that prevents locos being used locally for two years...I'd assume the WA sale will be the same.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

In Queensland, Aurizon has a caveat on sales that prevents locos being used locally for two years...I'd assume the WA sale will be the same.
Sulla1
Will this also apply if the units are on-sold to further buyers down the track? For instance, if one buyer purchases a unit now, and then sells in one year, is this condition legally binding to the new purchaser in any way? Having worked in trucking for some time, I cannot see how you could legally sell a prime mover, but not allow it to be used on public roads in WA, so why should the same be possible on the rail system?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Will this also apply if the units are on-sold to further buyers down the track? For instance, if one buyer purchases a unit now, and then sells in one year, is this condition legally binding to the new purchaser in any way? Having worked in trucking for some time, I cannot see how you could legally sell a prime mover, but not allow it to be used on public roads in WA, so why should the same be possible on the rail system?
"Bulbous"


Totally agree with you, it doesn't do the rail industry any good to have these restrictions of use in place on secondhand equipment...although I do wonder what side of the fence the law would go if there was a breach and the new owner claimed they were being illegally constrained by a competitor. It's never going to happen though, Aurizon is likely to only select buyers it knows won't set up a competing operation.
  JNSymes Junior Train Controller

Is the DBZ in the NG loco line at forrestfield part of the sale deal, or is it just there for servicing?
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
I checked them out a couple of weeks ago.

As well as the DAZs, D1562 is in there as is A1202 and the two NJs and 1251.
I'm told that ALZ 3208 is included as are the line of stripped 22s, 422s and a 31.

One AB was still shunting the narrow gauge wagon shop.

M636C
M636C
They will be missed.  If I had the resources, I'd buy D1562, DAZ1903 and 1202 for preservation and have them all repainted into Westrail yellow with their original numbers.  I will miss those colours.  Perhaps an S class will be preserved one day in Westrail yellow.
  Radzaarty Junior Train Controller

As I was interested in what the asking prices would be for the locomotives I sent off an email to Aurizon.

This is the reply.


In regards to your enquiry regarding the purchase of Aurizon locomotives, Aurizon is currently running a tender process for the sale of 25 locomotives in Western Australia, the tender process has been issued to registered buyers and closes on the 18th December 2013 and in line with the organisations direction for rollingstock disposal.



Pricing details in relation to the locomotives is not available.

Looks like the days of privately buying locomotives for preservation is over guys.
  WAGR Chief Commissioner

As I was interested in what the asking prices would be for the locomotives I sent off an email to Aurizon.

This is the reply.


In regards to your enquiry regarding the purchase of Aurizon locomotives, Aurizon is currently running a tender process for the sale of 25 locomotives in Western Australia, the tender process has been issued to registered buyers and closes on the 18th December 2013 and in line with the organisations direction for rollingstock disposal.



Pricing details in relation to the locomotives is not available.

Looks like the days of privately buying locomotives for preservation is over guys.



You should have registered your self as a South African Railway cos that's where there heading
Radzaarty
  M636C Minister for Railways

Looks like the days of privately buying locomotives for preservation is over guys.
Radzaarty
I understand that AB 1503 has been sold for preservation. It was stored apart from the other units at Forrestfield.

It may not have been part of that particular sale.

I'm sure it is a better locomotive than A 1202 but the A was the last in WA service and the last surviving A built in WA.

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  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

The westbound ore train through Avon Yard this morning had an ACA/AC/Q/Q combo on the lead, all cabs facing forward. Unsure if the train was longer than normal, but was assuming that a couple of the locos were being shuttled down to Forrestfield for some servicing?
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
it was a troubled train bulbous as it had a couple of loco failures
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

Thanks wn514, I wasn't able to hear the locos working properly (too far away at the time), so I couldn't tell how many were running.

Cheers,
Matt
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Does anyone know what happened to S3311 recently? It was parked up at Brunswick for a  couple days, with what looked to me like over heated wheels.
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
P 2517 was seen heading south through Burekup to Picton with an alumina train this afternoon.
  8888 Chief Commissioner

Location: Shire of Mundaring
P 2517 was seen heading south through Burekup to Picton with an alumina train this afternoon.
DBclass

P2517 is based at Picton currently.  P2505 is at Collie and P2504 and 2508 are at Kwinana.
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Thanks 8888, do you know if there is any particular reason?
  geeyee Beginner

Nice to see some P's back sw, yeah 2517 was stabled at Picton this arvo
  8888 Chief Commissioner

Location: Shire of Mundaring
Thanks 8888, do you know if there is any particular reason?
DBclass

Replacement of the DBZ class is a priority, all are likely to be in storage soon.
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Well that is interesting. I suspected either that, or crew training. I suppose they have more locos up in Geraldton then they need to allow this to happen. Or have we lost some ACN class to up there. I noted an S class hauling the caustic train to Alcoa, which could be hauled by an A class. The P class with a little more hp then the DB would probably do a better job.

Is there any particular reason for storing the DB class, ie reliability, fuel economy? Or is this part of Aurizons rationalisation.
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Nice to see some P's back sw, yeah 2517 was stabled at Picton this arvo
geeyee

I dont ever remember seeing a P class work down here, only during special circumstances to drop off a wagon or refuel, or otherwise, and havent seen that in quite a few years. So I'm quietly excited about the arrangement.

They used to run through the Junction to Collie, but never south of Brunswick J.
  geeyee Beginner

I dont ever remember seeing a P class work down here, only during special circumstances to drop off a wagon or refuel, or otherwise, and havent seen that in quite a few years. So I'm quietly excited about the arrangement.

They used to run through the Junction to Collie, but never south of Brunswick J.
DBclass

I can remember them fairly common around Kwinana in the late 90's on Bauxite and happy to stand corrected, I'm sure they worked the capel mineral sands runs in the 90's.

Good to see a mix either way

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