RRL Project - West Werribee / Southern Cross

 
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
With all due respect, I think it is safe to say that you do not know much about Australian railways, and your basic research skills are non-existent.

A basic look at Wikipedia (I know, not the most reliable of sources, but accurate enough in this case) will tell you that there were substantial modifications, and that the XPT goes nowhere near what the IC125 does.

If you were to do even basic research before posting, you wouldn't be cluttering up these boards.

I know that there are some who say "These sites are there to ask questions, and to obtain answers", but we are talking about the internet, and the answers are out there and readily obtainable even by those who do not know how to search.

Sorry for my rant, but every time I see posts like yours, I see red.

Dave
thadocta
Hey, whoa, calm down there. All the man did was ask a question in the hope that those more knowledgeable than him would provide the correct answer, which you've done Smile

The forums provide a great platform for people to discuss and share knowledge. I have no particular interest in the XPT or the HST, but I enjoy reading people's thoughts and insights towards them. I'm sure there are others here who don't necessarily want to put the energy into researching themselves but are happy to pick up knowledge along the way through questions like don_dunstan's.

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  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Platforms 1 through to 8 will be closed between Dec 28 to Jan 19 while they place the new ladder road in at Dudley St junction that is being put together in the bank sidings back roads. Only Geelong , Traralgon and Seymour trains will run in this period the via 15/16 platforms with Seymour trains terminating and originating at Essendon for the first week. Then maybe 8 plat can be used. This also means the CMD will be isolated with all vlocity maintenance going to Ballarat. Crews will be kept busy learning Sth Ken to Deer Park West junction on the new simulator and coming up to speed with training.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Platforms 1 through to 8 will be closed between Dec 28 to Jan 19 while they place the new ladder road in at Dudley St junction that is being put together in the bank sidings back roads. Only Geelong , Traralgon and Seymour trains will run in this period the via 15/16 platforms with Seymour trains terminating and originating at Essendon for the first week. Then maybe 8 plat can be used. This also means the CMD will be isolated with all vlocity maintenance going to Ballarat. Crews will be kept busy learning Sth Ken to Deer Park West junction on the new simulator and coming up to speed with training.
gomer
So will SG services to platforms 1 & 2 be affected?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
So will SG services to platforms 1 & 2 be affected?
Carnot
The works are where the SG line runs through, so I would guess North East SG would terminate at ether Seymour or Broadmeadows and the Overland terminating at North Shore or Ararat (train would run to Dynon to stable)
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Seymour trains terminating and originating at Essendon for the first week.
gomer

Perhaps Platform 1 at Essendon will get some use?

Regards
Brian
  damooops Junior Train Controller

Location: The Revenue Raising State
So will SG services to platforms 1 & 2 be affected?
Carnot
Yes they will for the first week or so. They are basically severing every lead to Franklin St. The new dual gauge bridge they are finishing at the moment will have standard gauges running over it after I think the 3rd January.
  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Perhaps Platform 1 at Essendon will get some use?

Regards
Brian
bevans
Have been told only sprinters will be operating to and from Seymour utilizing platform one at Essendon then transferring to sparks. Government tried to get NE pass to come as far as Broadmeadows but ARTC put a stop to that so buses all the way.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Government tried to get NE pass to come as far as Broadmeadows but ARTC put a stop to that so buses all the way.
gomer
A purpose built SG siding was built at Seymour to stable a canceled passenger train.

Why can't this be used, and North East passengers could BG V/Line/Metro Into Melbourne or take a coach.

Or Is It a case where ARTC wants less trains between Seymour and Wodonga for extra maintenance works.
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
A purpose built SG siding was built at Seymour to stable a canceled passenger train.

Why can't this be used, and North East passengers could BG V/Line/Metro Into Melbourne or take a coach.

Or Is It a case where ARTC wants less trains between Seymour and Wodonga for extra maintenance works.
Nightfire

Nightfire.  Yoiu are right.   The SG siding at Seymour was put in place to cover off these types of situations.  At Albury there are dewatering facilties for serving the carriages and locos could be fuelled at Seymour.   No reason for not doing this.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, VIC
I did see a poster at SCS the other day, informing that Albury trains to Southern Cross and vice versa would terminate at Broadmeadows with a coach leg to SCS, except the midday trains which would be a coach the whole way. Of course, during the summer shutdown.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I did see a poster at SCS the other day, informing that Albury trains to Southern Cross and vice versa would terminate at Broadmeadows with a coach leg to SCS, except the midday trains which would be a coach the whole way. Of course, during the summer shutdown.
Contrillion

Would it make any sense to terminate Albury and XPT services at Seymour and then transfer to Vline to Melbourne?  There are many services from Seymour during the day making the wait a little easier?

Regards
Brian
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Would it make any sense to terminate Albury and XPT services at Seymour and then transfer to Vline to Melbourne?  There are many services from Seymour during the day making the wait a little easier?

Regards
Brian
bevans
Perhaps. Maybe they could run an extra BG train to meet the train to/from Albury, running to a similar schedule?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Have been told only sprinters will be operating to and from Seymour utilizing platform one at Essendon then transferring to sparks. Government tried to get NE pass to come as far as Broadmeadows but ARTC put a stop to that so buses all the way.
gomer


John Fullerton ARTC's managing director stated today at Wangaratta that for a period the VLines SG pass would be terminating at Broadmedows, the passengers then transferring to bus's. He stated it was being done there as it was easier to transfer passengers to bus's than at Seymour.

woodford
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Can someone please explain how it could be easier to transfer from a cline service and broad meadows to buses than from train to train across a platform at Seymour?

Regards
Brian
  bayside1 Station Master

Interesting to see that the old  Franklin Street Signal box has survived all this work.
  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
John Fullerton ARTC's managing director stated today at Wangaratta that for a period the VLines SG pass would be terminating at Broadmedows, the passengers then transferring to bus's. He stated it was being done there as it was easier to transfer passengers to bus's than at Seymour.

woodford
woodford
Looks like they changed their mind from a month ago and i can understand why it would come to Broady as the pass would then run empty to Sth Dynon for servicing and refueling.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Not sure if this relates to the thread topic, which is indeed
RRL Project - West Werribee / Southern Cross but no-one has noticed (or at least mentioned as far as I can see) that V/Line are running Warrnambool trains between Southern Cross  Geelong as V/Locities, and Geelong  Warrnambool as regular N Sets during the summer Confused
Link: http://www.vline.com.au/pdf/timetables/temporary/Warrnambool_SUMMER.pdf
  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Just a thought at Sth Dynon the pass would have to pull a fair way up towards the flyover where all the work is taking place before shunting back into the yard. Perhaps they have allowed for this movement.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, VIC
Would it make any sense to terminate Albury and XPT services at Seymour and then transfer to Vline to Melbourne?  There are many services from Seymour during the day making the wait a little easier?

Regards
Brian
bevans
Certainly possible. If I'm not mistaken there was extra SG stabling facility constructed here during the regauging of the line to Albury, intended for this purpose.
  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
No-one has noticed (or at least mentioned as far as I can see) that V/Line are running Warrnambool trains between Southern Cross  Geelong as V/Locities, and Geelong  Warrnambool as regular N Sets during the summer Confused
Link: http://www.vline.com.au/pdf/timetables/temporary/Warrnambool_SUMMER.pdf
xxxxlbear
Because the pass would need to go through to Caulfield or Westall to run-around as they do not connect with the Bairnsdale service.  It is possible to run-around at 15/16 platform but it would be time consuming and tie up both platforms.I do not know what the Bairnsdale passes are doing but they would run-around at Sth Ken if necessary.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Can someone please explain how it could be easier to transfer from a cline service and broad meadows to buses than from train to train across a platform at Seymour?

Regards
Brian
bevans
He did not explain the cirmumstances, but for a period i believe there will no country services accessing Southern Cross at all while the track is reconfigured. They did state that at Broadmedows ramp access would not be required as they is a bus interchange in Railway Cres, which would make life simple.

woodford
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Some interesting photos have appears on VicSig of the track junctions that are being built at the Western end of the Dynon flyover - where the RRL tracks from Southern Cross platforms 1-8 will diverge from the flyover dual gauge tracks.  I'm finding it a bit hard to visualise how these junctions will eventually form (as I'm not an expert on these things) but the photos are showing lots of work in preparation for the January shutdown.:

http://www.vicsig.net/photo/17483

http://www.vicsig.net/photo/17484

http://www.vicsig.net/photo/17485
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
Hey, whoa, calm down there. All the man did was ask a question in the hope that those more knowledgeable than him would provide the correct answer, which you've done Smile

The forums provide a great platform for people to discuss and share knowledge. I have no particular interest in the XPT or the HST, but I enjoy reading people's thoughts and insights towards them. I'm sure there are others here who don't necessarily want to put the energy into researching themselves but are happy to pick up knowledge along the way through questions like don_dunstan's.
michaelgreenhill
I know what you are saying, but in all seriousess, this is something that anyone with even an ounce of knowledge would already know, and if they didn't, it is easy enough to find out.

That is like someone popping in to the Victorian forum and saying "Why weren't there through passenger trains between Sydney and Melbourne before 16 April, 1962" when even 30 seconds of research will reveal the answer.

Anyway, over to other matters, can anyone tell me why there aren't through trains from Echuca to Cairns? (I know, I could possibly find it out by doing some basic research and by using the knowledge that I have, but apparently it is okay to ask dumb questions here, so I thought I would do the same).

Dave

(Preparing to be banned for daring to challenge the site administrator)
  woodford Chief Commissioner

I know what you are saying, but in all seriousess, this is something that anyone with even an ounce of knowledge would already know, and if they didn't, it is easy enough to find out.

That is like someone popping in to the Victorian forum and saying "Why weren't there through passenger trains between Sydney and Melbourne before 16 April, 1962" when even 30 seconds of research will reveal the answer.

Anyway, over to other matters, can anyone tell me why there aren't through trains from Echuca to Cairns? (I know, I could possibly find it out by doing some basic research and by using the knowledge that I have, but apparently it is okay to ask dumb questions here, so I thought I would do the same).

Dave

(Preparing to be banned for daring to challenge the site administrator)
thadocta
I think you will find the problem is not the subject matter but in the way the post was writen. The post being basicly a flame to make the writer feel better.

Now a couple of points, the post showed no respect for another poster and a good bit of name calling was present. You will _______NEVER_________ get through to a person with such a post. All that will happen is the person will put up defenses that will be VERY difficult to get through and also call the writer names. The post also makes the writer look intolerent, and this will produce a negative response from most people.

If you a trying to really inform someone, attacking them will never produce the desired result and if such is allowed consitently Railpage will degenerate into just another internet site for flame wars. This will be a VERY sad event.

There is never any valid reason to show disrepect for another human being, you can disagree but disrespect is an attack.

woodford
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Because the pass would need to go through to Caulfield or Westall to run-around as they do not connect with the Bairnsdale service.  It is possible to run-around at 15/16 platform but it would be time consuming and tie up both platforms.I do not know what the Bairnsdale passes are doing but they would run-around at Sth Ken if necessary.
gomer
Ah okay, that makes sense...in that case, I wonder if this change of trains at Geelong for Warrnambool passengers is going to be a permanent feature of the upcoming new regular timetable then, and not just for the holiday timetable Confused

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