Melton rail priority a case of fairness, say groups

 

News article: Melton rail priority a case of fairness, say groups

The electrification of the train line between Melton and Melbourne should be included in future transport plans, according to two regional lobby groups.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The electrification of the train line between Melton and Melbourne should be included in future transport plans, according to two regional lobby groups.



The Western Transport Alliance and LeadWest made the call in a joint submission to the state government’s Plan Melbourne growth strategy. Released in October, the plan is designed to be a planning and transport blueprint that will shape how Melburnians work and live for the next 40 years.
Melton rail priority a case of fairness, say groups


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I am surprised it isn't.  I understand the need for this and Melton has not had a lot of press over and above the Doncaster and Airport Rail lines.  Money allocated to the East West Road Tunnel would be better spent on these initiatives?

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  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
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I am surprised it isn't.  I understand the need for this and Melton has not had a lot of press over and above the Doncaster and Airport Rail lines.  Money allocated to the East West Road Tunnel would be better spent on these initiatives?
bevans
Definitely. They would be a lot cheaper than the EW tunnel and would do a lot more to relieve congestion.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
would you consider extending the electrification to bacchus marsh?
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
would you consider extending the electrification to bacchus marsh?
JimYarin

Bacchus Marsh is almost a suburb of Melton these days.  Although I doubt people from Bacchus marsh would like to think so.  A more sensible choice would be electrification to Bacchus Marsh capturing both markets.

What is potentially missing from the Ballarat Line with a Melbourne Airport Link is a WYE at Sunshine?  Wishful thinking.

Avalon would not be an issue was trains could run via Brooklyn to Avalon.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

A quicker, cheaper option would be to put a second track in Melton - Rockbank & Rockbank - Deer Park west. This would add extra capacity and add some flexibility.
  waynes Junior Train Controller

Location: Victoria
A quicker, cheaper option would be to put a second track in Melton - Rockbank & Rockbank - Deer Park west. This would add extra capacity and add some flexibility.
ab123

That would also work. Would you electrify the tracks?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
That would also work. Would you electrify the tracks?
waynes
Double up the line from Deer Park to Bacchus Marsh first and give the communities a decent service frequency, as passenger numbers grow electricfication can become justified.
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
What these communities out west don't see (and it's not their fault) is that electrifying might solve a few problems but create many others. All these suburban trains have to go somewhere and with the City Loop virtually at capacity and not many spare paths between Southern Cross and Flinders Street, just running the wires a bit further west isn't as easy as people realise.

There's a subtle difference to the question the people of Melton need to ask. Do they want electric trains or a more frequent service? I suspect many assume that high frequency means electric. If it's frequency they're after then maybe track duplication and extra DMU's is the go. If they have a penchant for Comeng's and X'Traps, well - that's a different issue altogether.

It does make an interesting contrast to Sunbury though. They had a V/Line service and were dragged kicking and screaming into the Metro world. Melton seems to be the opposite??
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
What these communities out west don't see (and it's not their fault) is that electrifying might solve a few problems but create many others. All these suburban trains have to go somewhere and with the City Loop virtually at capacity and not many spare paths between Southern Cross and Flinders Street, just running the wires a bit further west isn't as easy as people realise.

There's a subtle difference to the question the people of Melton need to ask. Do they want electric trains or a more frequent service? I suspect many assume that high frequency means electric. If it's frequency they're after then maybe track duplication and extra DMU's is the go. If they have a penchant for Comeng's and X'Traps, well - that's a different issue altogether.

It does make an interesting contrast to Sunbury though. They had a V/Line service and were dragged kicking and screaming into the Metro world. Melton seems to be the opposite??
Ballast_Plough
Very good point, electric trains may give them a service every 20 minutes In the peak, but the service will stop at may more stations along the way (no RRL running)
  Simbera Train Controller

IIRC the latest long-term planning document from PTV/VLine/whoever it was, assumed that by the time Melton electrification was on the table (which, due to Loop capacity constraints, would be after Melbourne Metro) the Ballarat line frequencies would have nearly doubled (5 trains every 2 hours on-peak, 2 trains per hour off-peak) and that this would be sufficient for Bacchus Marsh without extending the electrification - at least for the foreseeable future. I would tend to agree, 30 minute frequency is pretty good for a town of its size and distance from the city, given that it's nowhere near contiguous and likely won't be for decades. But then, I don't live in Bacchus Marsh, so maybe I'm biased.

Personally I think the best way to go is to duplicate Deer Park-Melton ASAP, up diesel services when that's done, build Melbourne Metro so you have the capacity (which of course benefits the whole network) then electrify. There is so much that needs doing that it realistically has to be done in stages, which as Nightfire suggests has the advantage of giving good service quickly and demonstrating that the passengers are there to justify electrification.

As an aside - roughly where is this "Toolern" station the lobby groups want supposed to go? The Toolern Creek is essentially right next to the current Melton station so it seems a bit stupid to build another one there. I know more development is planned in that general area but I would have thought out Brookfield way would be more deserving?

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