Aurizon's big loco sell off

 
  andrewstrains Assistant Commissioner

Location: Townsville, Where else but QLD
I'm not sure you should be expecting donations from Aurizon, they're not going to get their operating ratio down to 75 by 2015 by giving away working locos. This thinning of the herd is as much about making money to buy new equipment as it is to reduce costs. Of course that's not to say preservation groups will miss out on rare locos...as long as they're prepared to pay for them, I believe one Queensland loco has been sold to a Darling Downs group already.
Sulla1

What loco was that Arthur? and to whom?

Andrew

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  M636C Minister for Railways


Aurizon mentions 77 new locos, most probably PH37's and Siemens 3800's. I think the heavy hauling will be far more likely to survive. There was an article in the Courier Mail a week or so back that said Gina Rhineharts Alpha coal lines will work "in conjunction with existing infrastructure".  Maybe this line will be an extension of the existing 3' 6" rather than a totally new (and long) 4' 8" which would require new unloading facility and associated infrastructure.
GS4
I'd expect at least half of the 77 new locomotives to be standard gauge, particularly since it looks like all of the ex WAGR L class seem to be listed for withdrawal and something will need to do all the jobs they are doing now....

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  M636C Minister for Railways

I'm not sure you should be expecting donations from Aurizon, they're not going to get their operating ratio down to 75 by 2015 by giving away working locos. This thinning of the herd is as much about making money to buy new equipment as it is to reduce costs. Of course that's not to say preservation groups will miss out on rare locos...as long as they're prepared to pay for them, I believe one Queensland loco has been sold to a Darling Downs group already.
Sulla1
As I posted on the related WA thread, AB 1503 has apparently gone to a preservation group. I have no idea what they paid for it.

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  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
What loco was that Arthur? and to whom?

Andrew
andrewstrains
I believe Arthur is referring to the 1150 class (1159?) that was at Ipswich that will be going to DownsSteam.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

I believe Arthur is referring to the 1150 class (1159?) that was at Ipswich that will be going to DownsSteam.
"Graham4405"


Ah...yes, scratch that coming from Aurizon then...
  andrewstrains Assistant Commissioner

Location: Townsville, Where else but QLD
Ah ha! thought It might have been. Thanks Arthur and Graham
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

http://www.aurizon.com.au/Downloads/Aurizon%20Analyst%20and%20Investor%20Presentation%20December%202013.pdf

Power Point presentation
jmt
For those who haven't looked through this PDF, can I suggest you take a close look at Aurizon's "Key National Corridors" map on page 11. I'm assuming the pathing around Sydney is some sort of printing error...but if it isn't then I guess the Mudgee and Cowra lines are about to see some trains...
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Sulla1, I noticed that as well but with the Portland line in Victoria, to me they have shown all/most the ARTC controlled lines that they could use. Reading that document I was surprised they have more loco's in SA than NSW, 49 Vs 43.
  fleabag Assistant Commissioner

Location: Perth
http://www.aurizon.com.au/Downloads/Aurizon%20Analyst%20and%20Investor%20Presentation%20December%202013.pdf

Power Point presentation
jmt
Jeez, the jargon in that presentation makes my eyes water.
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
Jeez, the jargon in that presentation makes my eyes water.
fleabag
That's the problem when things are privatized. Everything is done in the interests of investors and often at the expense of its stock. I don't oppose it but it is sad to see some stuff go.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Sulla1, I noticed that as well but with the Portland line in Victoria, to me they have shown all/most the ARTC controlled lines that they could use. Reading that document I was surprised they have more loco's in SA than NSW, 49 Vs 43.
nscaler69

And no locomotives at all in Victoria....

I assume the locomotives  shown in "NSW" are those used on the north south intermodal service and those in "SA" are those in east west intermodal service...

It's just a map of Australia with numbers, not an allocation list...

As to the lines shown as used, whoever did that didn't understand the NSW system.

It shows all Sydney Melbourne freight travelling via the Blue Mountains, Parkes and Stockinbingal...

According to that map, they can't even access their depots at Glenlee and Yennora

But apparently they do use the Illawarra line....

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  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
Be interesting to see if the NJ's find their way back to Eyre Peninsula. They would be needed. Also wonder whether some of the 22's and CLF/P's end up with G & W. Also ALF25.
emdrules

Less than likely. 842 is stored as well as 865 and 871, which have been out of service for a while. With the arrival of 846, 902 and 847 it is in no need in the long term. It must also be said that 1604 and 1204 have been pulled from service (1604 damage repairs and 1204 for overhaul railways illustrated)only for a short period, so while it may restrict the amount of motive power now, 1604 should return back soon and not long after 1204. With locos made redundant from Whyalla, I'm not sure they wouldn't want to bring them across. As to other clases in GWAs hands, I wouldn't place a bet on it. They already have a few stored and since ARG/GW joint ventre there have been some redundancies, such as mid-north branches. For example, the CKs along with the 900s were moved to Whyalla, freeing up locos. The new GWAs, GWUs and now GWNs also play a part in this. GWAs took over services of the ore trains while GWUs to Darwin on intermodal. I think the GWAs took over the CLs role.

Anyway, has there been any happening on this as of late in terms of Aurizon's loco selloff?
  pjknife Assistant Commissioner

Location: Port Lincoln
Less than likely. 842 is stored as well as 865 and 871, which have been out of service for a while. With the arrival of 846, 902 and 847 it is in no need in the long term. It must also be said that 1604 and 1204 have been pulled from service (1604 damage repairs and 1204 for overhaul railways illustrated)only for a short period, so while it may restrict the amount of motive power now, 1604 should return back soon and not long after 1204.
Railwayfan

Don't hold your breath waiting for 1604. My understanding is that with the arrival of the ex-Whyalla locos at Port Lincoln there is no urgency to repair 1604 (currently at Port Augusta).
  a6et Minister for Railways

For those who haven't looked through this PDF, can I suggest you take a close look at Aurizon's "Key National Corridors" map on page 11. I'm assuming the pathing around Sydney is some sort of printing error...but if it isn't then I guess the Mudgee and Cowra lines are about to see some trains...
Sulla1

Apparently of the 4 companies who submitted expressions of interest for restoration etc of the Blayney - Cowra - Harden line is a group called Elderton based at Lithgow & is now working in conjunction with SSR, one loco maintenance http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11375603-s25.htm. Also of note is another NSW provider to rail maintenance in the field of trackwork is John Holland, I would not rule out there is more to the little note in the presentation than meets the eye.

A returned southern entry/exit to the Cowra line at Demondrille could go a way to add additional cross country services, if the existing line from Coota - Parks forms a major part of the inland rail line.

Just speculating though.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
As I posted on the related WA thread, AB 1503 has apparently gone to a preservation group. I have no idea what they paid for it.

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M636C

they did not pay anything for it.
  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
All the locos outside Forrestfield have had their logos painted over, some with dark grey paint.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
All the locos outside Forrestfield have had their logos painted over, some with dark grey paint.
Kafoopsy

the same has been done to the ALZ at west Kalgoorlie. also 2 of the opc's(refrigerated vans) have been scrapped and the other one is being donated to the boulder loopline.
  M636C Minister for Railways

All the locos outside Forrestfield have had their logos painted over, some with dark grey paint.
Kafoopsy

It is more correct to say that the locomotives intended for sale have had their ownership painted out, and I think all the locomotives in that category at Forrestfield have been treated. Not just the NG locos stored next to the intermodal yard but 2202 and 2215 stored inside Forrestfield depot. Some locos stored with the sale locos retain their logos. AB1503, intended to be preserved, is still lettered ARG. A number of DBZs appear next to the intermodal yard from time to time, including those that had their old G&W style logos painted out in orange when QR took over and never got any newer logo. I don't think these are for sale (not yet anyway).

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  Kafoopsy Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth, WA
I should have clarified that I was referring to the locos that are on the sale list.  Why do they remove logos? Are they trying to hide where they come from?  Or would they prefer to not have their logos seen on the buyer's railway (should the buyer not bother to repaint them).
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I should have clarified that I was referring to the locos that are on the sale list. Why do they remove logos? Are they trying to hide where they come from? Or would they prefer to not have their logos seen on the buyer's railway (should the buyer not bother to repaint them).
Kafoopsy

I'd suggest it's the latter - I don't think they can "hide" where they came from. Thanks to forums and enthusiast publications, it's possible to track a locomotives history right back until it was built. A side-hobby of mine in the case of some classes!
  M636C Minister for Railways

I'd suggest it's the latter - I don't think they can "hide" where they came from. Thanks to forums and enthusiast publications, it's possible to track a locomotives history right back until it was built. A side-hobby of mine in the case of some classes!
Raichase

Since many of the locomotives are in working order, it might also serve to remind employees not to use them, since other locomotives are often parked on the same roads...

Last November, they were starting them up to check them and charge the batteries.

I didn't see that last month.

AB 1504 (which has no logo) was shunting the workshops and is presumably not for sale, yet.

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  Expost Deputy Commissioner

I'd suggest it's the latter - I don't think they can "hide" where they came from. Thanks to forums and enthusiast publications, it's possible to track a locomotives history right back until it was built. A side-hobby of mine in the case of some classes!
Raichase

The locos that went from Qld all had their logos painted over. I personally saw 1720s on floats heading on the Logan motorway from Redbank to the Port of Brisbane, for loading bound for South Africa. Also saw a pic around of 3100 class locos also with their logos painted over.
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Could the painting of logo's be due to tax ? Isnt there some write down/ write off thingo ?
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
I saw a photo that showed that one of the CLP/F's have got the same logo painting treatment as mentioned earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if the 421's have also had it done.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I saw a photo that showed that one of the CLP/F's have got the same logo painting treatment as mentioned earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if the 421's have also had it done.
DounutCereal

I wasn't aware the CLF and CLP class locos ended up with logos after their old ARG logos were removed in 2007/8?

[img]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3440/3780803824_44e5acdf7d_s.jpg[/img]

CLP10 was the last one to wear the ARG logos IIRC.

Or are you talking about the "eagle" and "pineapple" liveried locos?

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