Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
With both lines scheduled to open with electric services in February, there will be the odd occasion where a 3 car spark will run to Tonsley whilest a single or double diesel railcar will run to Noarlunga/Seaford, talk about a capacity imbalance. That's assuming sparks work to Tonsley at all in the first 6 months or so.

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  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Progress as of this afternoon

Leader St LX: One set earth and return wires (down track), Carrier (catenary) wires installed up & down Seaford Main, no contact wires.
SASMEE: All earth & return wires strung, up side still to be tied off, carrier wires installed, no contact wires.
East Ave LX: As for SASMEE
Cross Road LX: All wires up, some tying off and finishing still seems to be needed.

The sections referred to above being worked on today.

Ian
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

With both lines scheduled to open with electric services in February, there will be the odd occasion where a 3 car spark will run to Tonsley whilest a single or double diesel railcar will run to Noarlunga/Seaford, talk about a capacity imbalance. That's assuming sparks work to Tonsley at all in the first 6 months or so.
"nscaler69"
I think the only EMUs operating to Tonsley before 2015-16 when the EMU fleet is completed will be a couple of test trains, and even after that it would surely be subject to sufficient EMUs being left over for Tonsley trains after those necessary for Seaford and Salisbury services have been fully allocated.

They really did miss a trick in the works not including a cheap and cheerful flat pack platform at Ascot Park on the Tonsley line to allow operation of AP-Tonsley shuttles that don't require conflicting moves across the junction. Without it having an extension across Sturt Road to a purpose-built bus interchange and with the Clovelly Park car parking likely to be filled up by Tonsley Park precinct workers instead of train commuters, the Tonsley line really doesn't have much need for more than a single 3000 running a shuttle.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Thanks for that progress report, Ian.  So they finally got around to Cross Rd X South Rd - I'm guessing it was a complicated part of the wiring which is why it took so long?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Thanks for that progress report, Ian.  So they finally got around to Cross Rd X South Rd - I'm guessing it was a complicated part of the wiring which is why it took so long?
"don_dunstan"
That was done five weeks ago with a couple of overnight closures of the intersection. There doesn't appear to be anything too complicated there, the only even mildly interesting bit with the wiring is that a couple of the supports are attached to the bridge rather than to some kind of mast or gantry.

My guess is that the main factor with the date of that was the need to do it at a suitable time to close such a major road junction - working around traffic for major events and other previously scheduled roadworks which were running on time.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Justapax

Get on your bike and go and have a look. There is still work to be done, why else are wire still running through blocks?

Ian
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
I forecast massive headaches for the network controllers once the Tonsley Line returns to operation.

Although possible, I can't see a return of express trains as practical, given the network congestion that soon only gets even worse. Let's assume Adelaide Metro will persist with the 7.5 minute peak frequency on the Seaford Line. To help with clear examples, we'll 'round up' that number from 7.5 to 8 minutes.

And then it's 'Welcome Back Tonsley Services" and a new TT which must wedge those Tonsley trains on the graph in between the Seaford trains.

So, assuming Tonsley trains will call at all stations, could it be the opportunity  for Seaford trains to operate express between Adelaide and Woodlands Park, Up and Down services ?

A hypothetical example.

UP (to city) Seaford service departs Woodlands Park at 7:30AM, and is express to Adelaide. At 7:33 the UP Tonsley departs Woodlands Park, scheduled to stop at all stations.

That train departs Edwardstown at 7:35. Emerson 7:37.

Before reaching Clarence Park, the next UP Seaford has departed Woodlands Park at 7:38 and soon on the tail of the Tonsley All-Stations train. Uh-oh. Now, one could suggest that the express Seaford could overtake the Tonsley on the Quad tracks between Waygood and the ARS. Problem is, well, that could potentially disrupt Belair Line times.

Now, let's confront the not uncommon incidence of late trains. Taking the above example we'll factor in a two minute delay. Two minutes delay doesn't sound a big deal right ?

UP Seaford departs Woodlands Park at 7:32 ( 2 mins late). There needs to be line clearance before the Tonsley Up service can enter Woodlands Park. Allowing a 3 minute gap the Tonsley Up train departs Woodlands Park at 7:35

7:37 departs Edwardstown

7:38 the next UP Seaford train departs Woodlands Park, express to city. The Tonsley train has yet to reach Emerson.

And so the delays cascade through all following peak services. Or does Adelaide Metro cancel one peak service perchance to achieving a perfect time flow of services again ? That is until the next train suffers delays, and again the ripple effect strikes. Adelaide Train Control, I think we have a problem.

In February, the Tonsley trains will return to the tracks.

And the chickens all come home to roost.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

2001

Let's give credit to the timetablers and management for even wanting attempt a timetable not bound by the past but more in line with what overseas commuters have come to expect.

Somehow in the new 15 minute frequency they are going to have to put in some semi expresses from Seaford, see my earlier posts, to keep journey times from the end of the line down to a point where alternative transport is less attractive. It is possible to have a stopping service from NC leaving 3 mins after a limited stops to ARS as a 15 min cycle. There is room then to interleave a Tonsley stops all running safely ahead of the Noarlunga stops all.

Ian
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I notice in todays Adelaide Sunday Mail that the paper is trying to beat up a story now that the DMU's are back on track sort of, it seems there will have to be another shutdown and commuters will again have to travel by substitute buses for a time. Dear me why did they just not open it until it was all finished etc and saved a lot more problems.  They are condemned for not running it and they are condemned for running it. People need to realise that some work cannot be done safely without some kind of shut down though. It would have been better for all, I think if they had just got on with the job and finished it right off even if it took one or two months more to open it than have the public and the media whinging all the time.

Sure it was behind the projected schedule but my way would have had it finished almost by now and just awaiting the arrival and testing of the new railcars almost. I just hope if and when they do the section to Dry Creek that it is all done in one hit not a repeat of this fiasco on the Noarlunga Line!

Not having a go at genuine complaints here there are a few, but just the way it is made to sound that it is putting everyone out of kilter a lot when really it is only going to affect a few. How many actually travel all the way from Noarlunga to the actual CBD these days for work, and to those that do get a life for Gods sake and make some alternative arrangements to get there, If I cannot travel by one mode of transport somewhere, I usually have a back up plan in place just in case something goes arm up the smeg.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I notice in todays Adelaide Sunday Mail that the paper is trying to beat up a story now that the DMU's are back on track sort of, it seems there will have to be another shutdown and commuters will again have to travel by substitute buses for a time. .................
"David Peters"


Yes and in the same issue a story on how the Liberals Steve and Issy (not long ago arch enemies) have been chummy all along and will (and have been) work together ..... blah blah etc

Seems the editors have realised an election is comming and they have to follow the company line on politics
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

David

It is not worth getting upset over what is printed in the Sadvertiser or the Sunday Wail.

Some person, I hesitate to use the word Journalist, has trawled through Facebook pages and grabbed a few sorry interviews at ARS to get a page filler. Get photos of people suffering severe constipation and Photoshop that onto a train background and you have your illustration.

I agree, progress has been slow but at least trains are running and they have been bold enough to try a high frequency timetable.

I think you know how critical I have been and still am, but I am willing to award some credit.

Ian
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I agree, progress has been slow but at least trains are running and they have been bold enough to try a high frequency timetable.

I think you know how critical I have been and still am, but I am willing to award some credit.

Ian
"steam4ian"
I think I will wait to see if the department develops the capacity to learn from their failures before giving them any credit, currently they go back to the same mistakes again and again.

It is disappointing that the new $102 million (plus unknown blowouts) whizz bang signalling is befuddled by eight trains an hour in one direction in the peak when the old system was handling ten per hour.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Contact Wire through Clarence Park, this morning. Crews working near the underpass as I passed through.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Seems the editors have realised an election is comming and they have to follow the company line on politics
Pressman
It's weird that Rupert even cares about politics in South Australia but apparently he still does.  I suppose it's where he started out with his first newspaper.  I well remember when I was living in Adelaide in the 1990's and Rupert popped in for a News Corp meeting and told the state government that they should get rid of pokies, apparently because there was a slump in Advertiser sales at the time attributable to less disposable income.  It was funny because prior to the introduction of pokies they were campaigning vigorously for them...

The Labor party have been in office for a really long time in SA - if the Liberal opposition can at least present a unified face (this time round) then they should win easily.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Some person, I hesitate to use the word Journalist, has trawled through Facebook pages and grabbed a few sorry interviews at ARS to get a page filler. Get photos of people suffering severe constipation and Photoshop that onto a train background and you have your illustration.
steam4ian
And they wonder why people are getting their news elsewhere?

There was an editorial in the Australian about a month ago having a sook about the fact that people aren't buying their paper any more.  If they had some decent content maybe they'd sell more internet subscriptions or newspapers?

Sure it was behind the projected schedule but my way would have had it finished almost by now and just awaiting the arrival and testing of the new railcars almost. I just hope if and when they do the section to Dry Creek that it is all done in one hit not a repeat of this fiasco on the Noarlunga Line!
David Peters
It was a no-win situation really wasn't it.  Bring it back (as they did) before it was all finished and have an intermittent service on a temporary timetable or leave it till it was actually ready and face even more complaints.  Either way the Advertiser was going to try and find an angle that made the government look bad... as Pressman says it's company policy.

Incidentally I really liked the look of the new Adelaide Oval when I was watching the Ashes on telly - regardless of your feelings about Media Mike he certainly left an impression on the state, didn't he.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
David

It is not worth getting upset over what is printed in the Sadvertiser or the Sunday Wail.

Some person, I hesitate to use the word Journalist, has trawled through Facebook pages and grabbed a few sorry interviews at ARS to get a page filler. Get photos of people suffering severe constipation and Photoshop that onto a train background and you have your illustration.

I agree, progress has been slow but at least trains are running and they have been bold enough to try a high frequency timetable.

I think you know how critical I have been and still am, but I am willing to award some credit.

Ian
steam4ian
Not getting upset about it just pointing it out. My mother along with a lot of other gullible people would read this and take it as gospel though. I would not believe the Sadvertiser or Sunday Wail if they said I had won the $31m lottery. And yes if they got some decent journalists that can actually write a news story, without making it up as they go it would actually be a good paper, at the moment it is just one stop away from toilet paper really. Careful of the ink if you have to use it though!Laughing
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Contact wire rollout continued today.  At Keswick the up Seaford line was in progress northwards late this morning, the down having already been done.  This section meets up with the work already done from ARS through Mile End.  During the day work continued at Clarence Pk, through the underpass Wayville and Keswick and by late afternoon the majority of droppers and registration arms had been clamped to the contact wire. However there still remains quite a bit of work to do in adjusting the registration of the overhead, installing earth bonding to various parts of the structure and making the necessary electrical connections to booster transformers.

4003 was out for some exercise in the depot yard this afternoon, the first time I have seen it under traction.

I had a look at Adelaide rail yard on Saturday, but saw no signs of any signalling/track circuit/wheel detector work, which I thought might take place during the current shutdown.  However I did note some more details of the overhead support arrangements.  Some of the multiple contact wires over the platform tracks become catenary wires by the third gantry portal W of Morphett St bridge.  

Alex C
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

The decision for me to shop at Noarlunga Centre today paid off big time as the train I was on was going through Hallet Cove Beach station on the opposite tracks I saw the lovely shiny red railcar 4001 in all its glory doing a live train environment run to Brighton and back. Coming back on the up track going home I got to see another glimpse of it which made it apparent they were doing multiple test runs today on the 4001. Everyone aboard the train and at the stations were gawking at the electric train it was quite amusing.
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

They have been doing multiple test runs today and yesterday and I reckon the one I saw this morning (unit 4001) was the same one you saw Milkomeda.
Also heard a 4000, not sure which unit number, doing a test run yesterday, late afternoonish. I didn't see it but I knew it had gone past because of the horn which is quite distinctive and different to the 3000/3100 horns.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Can confirm 4001 was running test this afternoon, and I was rather pleased to see it fly across the field river bank. I'll post a video and some pics a little later.
  lcb Beginner

4001 was running tests late yesterday.It was at Brighton Station last evening just after 8pm,and took off for Noarlunga/Seaford shortly after.
Certainly has a distinctive European sounding horn.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
With Compliments -

http://youtu.be/PQXIaxLtlFo
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Thanks for that - good video.  They didn't seem to have it going full speed on the straight?
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Thanks for that - good video. They didn't seem to have it going full speed on the straight?
don_dunstan

Currently there is a 50 TSR past the signal on the down line which is just before the Myer Rd bridge.  

Alex C
  phower Chief Commissioner

Location: Over on Kangaroo Island Sth Aust
Holy Sh-t and a new line as well Mmm! The mind boggles

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