Train Derailment 230k South of Darwin

 
  Zodiac Junior Train Controller

Location: The Never Never
G&W might not want it known, but the cats out of the bag now.........

http://www.ntnews.com.au/business/train-derails-but-company-keeps-quiet/story-fnk2tq5v-1226792585603

A TRAIN has derailed near Pine Creek – but the company that own the railway is trying to keep it secret.    
The NT News has confirmed the derailment – believed to be a freight train - happened about 230km south of Darwin late yesterday.
The extent of the crash and damage is unknown – but it is believed there are no injuries.
However, rail line owner Genesee and Wyoming Australia has gone to ground.
The NT News has called all 10 phone numbers listed on the Genesee and Wyoming Australia website several times. We have also called the media mobile number.
So far, only one person has answered the phone - and he said he didn't know anything.
NT Department of Lands, Planning and the Environment director of corporate communications Cassandra Buckley said she was unable to comment because the railway is run by a “private provider”.
“You will need to contact the media people at Genesee and Wyoming Australia.,” she said.
The Ghan passenger train has been forced to stop because of the incident, with passengers travelling to Darwin on buses for the remainder of the journey.
In December 2011, a Genesee and Wyoming train derailed and spilt about 1200 tonnes of toxic copper concentrate into the Edith River, north of Katherine.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau is aware of the latest derailment.



The Genesee and Wyoming freight train derailed at the Edith River Crossing in 2011. Picture: MICHAEL FRANCHI Source: NT News

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  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Let's assume that what little office admin staff are left on deck currently are busy trying to deal with the derailment, hence why none of NT News' inquiries have gone unanswered - that's a little more plausible than the tinfoil-hat theory that they simply don't want people to know, in my opinion Smile
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Let's assume that what little office admin staff are left on deck currently are busy trying to deal with the derailment, hence why none of NT News' inquiries have gone unanswered - that's a little more plausible than the tinfoil-hat theory that they simply don't want people to know, in my opinion Smile
michaelgreenhill
Given the "Security" that was harassing observers following the Edith River derailment, it might not be a "tinfoil-hat theory", whatever that is.
  MD Chief Commissioner

Location: Canbera
The railway line is a privately owned and operated line.
If there are no injuries to the public , the Company doesnt have to tell anyone anything.
Why the Media think that they have some god given right to demand answers to their questions is beyond me.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
What kind of product would be transported in those tubs?
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

The railway line is a privately owned and operated line.
If there are no injuries to the public , the Company doesnt have to tell anyone anything.
Why the Media think that they have some god given right to demand answers to their questions is beyond me.
MD
The media shouldn't ask questions? Well injuries to the public probably aren't in the public interest either so why that exception? I don't remember any injuries to the public in the Edith River derailment, just some really bad stuff ended up in one of our rivers. No public interest there. I guess that power company in Japan didn't have to tell anyone anything either. Carry on, nothin' to see here.....
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

What kind of product would be transported in those tubs?
seb2351
As per the Media story, copper concentrate. 'Pretty sure that the ATSB report covered the contents of the containers and their place of origin.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
The railway line is a privately owned and operated line.
If there are no injuries to the public , the Company doesnt have to tell anyone anything.
...
MD
They may not have to tell reporters anything, but there is a range of "reportable" incidents that regulators etc (who fall into the category of "anyone") need to be informed of, regardless of injury to the public.  And it looks like they have been informed.

But yes, anyone can ignore reporters.

What kind of product would be transported in those tubs?
"seb2351"


Copper concentrate was.  But note that is a photo from the Edith River derailment from a few years back.

The conspiracy theorists should ring the NT News at 5:00 am (on New Years day) and see if they can get comment about whether use of that photo might potentially mislead people about the severity of the incident.  If they don't get an immediate response from someone who's not half cut, then clearly the NT news is hiding something too.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
What kind of product would be transported in those tubs?
"seb2351"


As said above, Copper Concentrate, mined in SA exported through Darwin.
Usually added to AD trains on the way north.
The "tubs" (called Kibbles I think) were in the process of being replace at the time of the Edith River incident with a unit with a sealed lid.
And yes, when mixed with water Copper Concentrate is toxic

However as there seems little info as yet, we don't even know which service derailed*, how bad, or how much damage, etc etc it seems silly to speculate at this stage.

*It wasn't the Ghan as it has been reported that passenger were bused around the incident.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The NT News story linked to by Zodiac has been updated in the last 30 mins (yet the byline still shows it timed at 1:45pm )
it now includes the following....
Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) Duty Officer Mike Walker confirmed that a derailment involving a Genesse and Wyoming Australia (GWA) freight train took place at Union Reef, about 200 km south of Darwin, at about 4pm on Monday.

"A small number of vehicles (3) derailed (came off the rail line), and there were no injuries reported."

Mr Walker said the derailment should not have a major impact on other trains travelling along the same route.

"It will be cleared quickly because it happened at a crossing loop, along the track there are various loops, so passing traffic can still go through,'' he said.

Mr Walker said ATSB and GWA would each conduct their own investigations into the incident.

"But at this stage (ATSB) will not be attending the accident site,'' he said.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The railway line is a privately owned and operated line.
If there are no injuries to the public , the Company doesnt have to tell anyone anything.
Why the Media think that they have some god given right to demand answers to their questions is beyond me.
MD

Perhaps there are requirements on rail operators where incidents occur they must be reported.  There are also workcover considerations.
  mikado5910 Chief Train Controller

Location: Kurri Kurri NSW
The NT News story linked to by Zodiac has been updated in the last 30 mins (yet the byline still shows it timed at 1:45pm )
it now includes the following....
Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) Duty Officer Mike Walker confirmed that a derailment involving a Genesse and Wyoming Australia (GWA) freight train took place at Union Reef, about 200 km south of Darwin, at about 4pm on Monday.

"A small number of vehicles (3) derailed (came off the rail line), and there were no injuries reported."

Mr Walker said the derailment should not have a major impact on other trains travelling along the same route.

"It will be cleared quickly because it happened at a crossing loop, along the track there are various loops, so passing traffic can still go through,'' he said.

Mr Walker said ATSB and GWA would each conduct their own investigations into the incident.

"But at this stage (ATSB) will not be attending the accident site,'' he said.
Pressman
Location suggests it may be an ore train, either entering or leaving the loop. Time doesn't seem to correlate with AD1 or DA2. We'll see when the report is released, if they even investigate a minor incident such as this. Probably wouldn't have even got into the paper if it bad been on a non-Ghan day.
  crisfitz Chief Commissioner

Location: Enroute somewhere
Perhaps there are requirements on rail operators where incidents occur they must be reported. There are also workcover considerations.
bevans

All Rail Regulations in Australia, whether they be state or federal, require operators to report Category A occurrences immediately on becoming aware of the occurrence, and Category B occurrences within 72 hours of becoming aware of the occurrence.

For an example, see the NSW regulations, which are aligned with the National Regulations.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rsnlnr2012425/s57.html

The report is usually first made to the state or national regulator, then to the ATSB.
  NG Sulzers Deputy Commissioner

Location: Quorn
Wasn't an ore train.
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
Media looking for any news.....very poor indeed...more substantial and meaningful stories should be chased not just a simple "train derailment" incident....and to even link the bridge collapse and derailment a couple of years ago to some sort on incompetance by GWA is proposterous....what about the number of industrial and road truck incidents.....not that they need to be sensationalised either. Media - chase real news and not do what you're told or better still use your skills and talent to get the "real" story....8)
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Simple case of publish and be damned, or why let the facts get in the way of a good story.
  X Class Locomotive Driver

It makes a change to see the "NT News" report on something other than crocodiles!
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
No photos on Railpage.     So the big question - Did it really happen?
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
It makes a change to see the "NT News" report on something other than crocodiles!
X Class

When I was in Darwin there was a saying for the N.T News, highlighting what they report on normally.

Crocs, (insert derogatory word for Indigenous) and AJs.

But there are some really funny stories that appear in the N.T News.
  garethsh Junior Train Controller

But there are some really funny stories that appear in the N.T News.
QSB6.7

As shown on the ABC Media Watch program.
e.g. NT News has some bizarre human interest story on page 1 while some big story is happening in the rest of Australia/world. It is as if they are cut off from what is going on the rest of the world.
  Zodiac Junior Train Controller

Location: The Never Never
ahhh The NT News, Yesterdays News Today !

The front page is normally and not in any particular order, car crashes, crocodiles, bashings and drunks.

Zodiac
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
G&W might not want it known, but the cats out of the bag now.........
Zodiac

Are you suggesting they hadn't informed the ATSB?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
I'm surprised that without getting into "over the top sensationalisation", that railpagers or anybody else for that matter would regard a derailment of a train that blocks a transcontinental transport artery as being newsworthy.   It certainly is.  The real issue is how the media then goes onto sensationalise the story.   Even trucking accidents are reported.

I am absolutely sure GWA would have fulfilled its regulatory obligations and reported the derailment to the regulator and other authorities.
  Zodiac Junior Train Controller

Location: The Never Never
Are you suggesting they hadn't informed the ATSB?
bingley hall

Not at all, just paraphrasing the NT New report.
"A TRAIN has derailed near Pine Creek – but the company that own the railway is trying to keep it secret.  "
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
ahhh The NT News, Yesterdays News Today !

The front page is normally and not in any particular order, car crashes, crocodiles, bashings and drunks.

Zodiac
Zodiac

As a tangent, and completely unrelated to the topic of derailments: Even big name papers have slow news days. Take a gander at the level of detail into this amusing report

http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/naked-man-stuck-in-washing-machine-20140106-30d8b.html

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