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      wolfpac Minister for Railways

    Location: Over here...
    The Regional Rail Link website Photo page has a couple of photos of the new HV McKay bridge being lifted & installed. It's certainly one of the more substantial pedestrian footbridges I've ever seen.

    http://www.regionalraillink.vic.gov.au/news/images
    jdekorte

    Thanks for the link! And yes, I didn't fully take in how colossal that thing is while it was sitting on the ground when I was there a few days ago. It would've dwarfed the old bridge!

    I still need to work through the rest of the photos I took at the old bridge on the eve of it's removal, too.

    Wolfpac
    Posted: 01 Jan 2014 22:00

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      Duncs Chief Commissioner

    The new stations at Tarneet and Wyndham Vale, are they both long enough platforms for 9 car v locity trains?
    Posted: 01 Jan 2014 23:41
      Some rail man Junior Train Controller

    Location: CIA Headquarters in Washington D.C
    Thank god the old and dangerous subway underneath Sunshine Station is gone. When re-opening it should be a much better station
    Posted: 02 Jan 2014 23:46
      wolfpac Minister for Railways

    Location: Over here...
    Thank god the old and dangerous subway underneath Sunshine Station is gone. When re-opening it should be a much better station
    Some rail man

    Absolutely, that was dodgy to go through any time, day or night. Too isolated and too concealed.

    The only thing I'll miss is being so close to the SG when going up to Platform 1 - my first "encounter" with what I think was a 422/442 or 81 class at a young age happened there (scared the living daylights out of me with the horn going past on the way north!). Laughing

    Hopefully there's no more areas like that in the new 'config' that are let's just say dodgy locations for all the wrong reasons...

    Wolfpac
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 16:44
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 18:15

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      xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

    Location: Geelong
    My perception isn't that great, but that photo of Tarneit Station (was it RailPager extrodinaire Sue Glossy who was wanting a station at Tarneit?) seems to show the track bed only wide enough for a single track yet it has 2 platforms, or is my mind playing tricks?
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 18:45

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      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    My perception isn't that great, but that photo of Tarneit Station (was it RailPager extrodinaire Sue Glossy who was wanting a station at Tarneit?) seems to show the track bed only wide enough for a single track yet it has 2 platforms, or is my mind playing tricks?
    xxxxlbear


    I thought the same.  The area between the platforms looks a little short on space.
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 18:58
      62440 Chief Commissioner

    I would expect the platforms to be 3.5m wide, platform edge to track centre 1.6, track centres 4m so well around 7.2 or twice the platform width. Looks ok to me. Obviously deeper because ballast and track are to go in which makes it look narrower in proportion.
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 20:32
      don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

    Location: Adelaide proud
    I was going to say the same thing, it looks like it isn't big enough but it's probably because the photographer appears so far away?
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 21:03
      Duncs Chief Commissioner

    I was going to say the same thing, it looks like it isn't big enough but it's probably because the photographer appears so far away?
    don_dunstan

    Is it long enough for a 9 car V Locity?
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 21:25
      kuldalai Chief Commissioner

    1. If you back a page or so in this thread have detailed several times the next 2 stages to full completion of RRL.
    2. Journey times to Geelong will be similar to existing. Ballarat should be marginally faster, Bendigo much same as now.
    Geelong greater distance but higher average speed. Ballarat faster out to Sunshine. Ditto Bendigo out to Sunshine but then still tangled with Metro out to Sunbury.

    3. Next key milestones construction wise are :  Late Jan 2014 - Trackwork completion Sthn Cross at throat plats 1 - 7 Sth and connection DG tracks Nth Melb flyover separately into Country terminal.   Opening new plats 1 and 2 at Footscray for Sunbury trains.
    May - 2014. further track rationalization at Franklin St involving the East Suburban lines and VLP connections , and commissioning of a bi directional BG track between Franklin St and platforms 7/8 separate from the ES lines.
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 21:50
      mickamious Junior Train Controller

    bevans

    lol... I've got a funny field a certain builder has screwed up in Constructing this station..
    I heard the rumors but never believed it till i saw this now..
    Time for another contractor to be banned off the Rail in Victoria.... If I'm correct this is the second station they've screwed up if it's the contractor im thinking which im sure it is..
    I wonder how they'll get out of this one if that photo is as accurate as it seems...
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 23:05

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      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    lol... I've got a funny field a certain builder has smeg up in Constructing this station..
    I heard the rumors but never believed it till i saw this now..
    Time for another contractor to be banned off the Rail in Victoria.... If I'm correct this is the second station they've screwed up if it's the contractor im thinking which im sure it is..
    I wonder how they'll get out of this one if that photo is as accurate as it seems...
    Grosso


    Might be time for a little visit or as we sometimes say in the Telecoms industry a field inspection. Looking again at the photo it does not appear to me to be an optical illusion. The space between the platforms does to my thinking look very thin and out of gauge?

    I can't see how two tracks will fit through there. On another note, I received a letter from the DOT perhaps two years ago advising the project had been scoped for later or future electrification of the line through Tarneit so would that also have an undesirable impact on the location of the station? Also no centre track has been scoped in for a future express bypass track.
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 23:09

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      mickamious Junior Train Controller

    Might be time for a little visit or as we sometimes say in the Telecoms industry a field inspection. Looking again at the photo it does not appear to me to be an optical illusion. The space between the platforms does to my thinking look very thin and out of gauge?

    I can't see how two tracks will fit through there. On another note, I received a letter from the DOT perhaps two years ago advising the project had been scoped for later or future electrification of the line through Tarneit so would that also have an undesirable impact on the location of the station? Also no centre track has been scoped in for a future express bypass track.
    bevans

    Is Tarneit mean't to be electrified ? Or is it a future possibility?
    Posted: 03 Jan 2014 23:14
      bramt Deputy Commissioner

    Tarneit was always planned as 2 tracks, you can see the concept images at http://www.regionalraillink.vic.gov.au/about/overview/stations/tarneit . No mention of platform length.
    I did see a few years ago cross-section plans for different sections of the project, which did show locations for future track amplification and electrification. Can't find it now, but I can see from the concept images a clear space between the platform and station buildings, presumably reserved for future amplification. Don't know why that space isn't between platforms instead, but any additional tracks mightn't need platforms at Tarneit anyway.

    Extra space is also clearly visible in the concept videos thru the Wyndam Vale cutting. Bridges are twice as wide as they need to be, and there's lots of space around the station, and between the platform and the cutting wall. http://www.regionalraillink.vic.gov.au/about/overview/stations/wyndham-vale
    Posted: 04 Jan 2014 01:19

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      The Vinelander Minister for Railways

    Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
    My perception isn't that great, but that photo of Tarneit Station (was it RailPager extraordinaire Sue Glossy who was wanting a station at Tarneit?) seems to show the track bed only wide enough for a single track yet it has 2 platforms, or is my mind playing tricks?
    xxxxlbear

    Sue Glossy.....many 'Pagers will never have heard of her...yet she was the first to raise the concept of a railway to rapidly growing Tarneit, about 2003 if I recall, possibly as an extension of the old Ravenhall siding.

    IMO it's an optical illusion the distance between the platforms will be to spec and there is a plan to run two additional express tracks around Tarneit station...Stage 2 perhaps....

    Mike.
    Posted: 04 Jan 2014 07:22
      Simbera Train Controller

    Tarneit was always planned as 2 tracks, you can see the concept images at http://www.regionalraillink.vic.gov.au/about/overview/stations/tarneit . No mention of platform length.
    I did see a few years ago cross-section plans for different sections of the project, which did show locations for future track amplification and electrification. Can't find it now, but I can see from the concept images a clear space between the platform and station buildings, presumably reserved for future amplification. Don't know why that space isn't between platforms instead, but any additional tracks mightn't need platforms at Tarneit anyway.

    Extra space is also clearly visible in the concept videos thru the Wyndam Vale cutting. Bridges are twice as wide as they need to be, and there's lots of space around the station, and between the platform and the cutting wall. http://www.regionalraillink.vic.gov.au/about/overview/stations/wyndham-vale
    bramt

    Essentially the plan (as I understand it) is for the tracks between the platforms to be used for V/Line services now, then once electrification is completed (in the distant future) bypass tracks will be put in between the platform and the station building (on the left in Marcus Wong's tweet) and V/Line services will no longer stop at Tarneit/Wyndham Vale. So they won't need platforms.

    My only question is how passengers are going to get from the station building to the platform once new tracks are built in that gap, but I suppose some sort of ridiculously long ramp will be put in place, as is happening at Sunshine etc.
    Posted: 05 Jan 2014 02:07
      wolfpac Minister for Railways

    Location: Over here...
    I've uploaded my photos from when I was at the HV McKay bridge on the 27-12-13, for those interested.

    Album "Farewell HV McKay Bridge - 27-12-2013" added to WolfpacFotos.com
    Url: http://wolfpacfotos.com/index.php/Farewell-HV-McKay-Bridge-27-12-2013

    Wolfpac
    Posted: 05 Jan 2014 17:25
      damooops Junior Train Controller

    Location: The Revenue Raising State
    Some pics from the evening of day 9...

    [edit]cleaned up links to reference original image directly.[/edit]




    Posted: 06 Jan 2014 10:51

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      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    I really like seeing the photos of all the works, and thanks for trying to post them, but can you please check the links so that they are displayed?

    I'm planning to go up to the LaTrobe St bridge myself this afternoon to see the new layout taking shape. I may or may not take photos depending on conditions.
    jdekorte


    Fixed
    Posted: 06 Jan 2014 12:11
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Damooops, Railpage automatically adds "http://" to the start of every link to photos.
    Could you edit your post and remove them.
    Gauntlet


    Fixed.

    http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1883830.htm#1883830
    Posted: 06 Jan 2014 12:17
      Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
    Today around midday, I spotted B80 trailing a push pull ballast train (B76 was leading) over the new bridge over Bulban Rd in West Werribee heading up the new RRL line on a ballast job. Would this be the first time a train has been on the new line?
    Posted: 06 Jan 2014 15:46

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      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Today around midday, I spotted B80 trailing a push pull ballast train (B76 was leading) over the new bridge over Bulban Rd in West Werribee heading up the new RRL line on a ballast job. Would this be the first time a train has been on the new line?
    Gman_86


    May very well be. The train is working out of North Shore until further notice using Manor Junction.
    Posted: 06 Jan 2014 16:21
      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    I went for a long bike ride today and got some pics of the new RRL stations.
    After counting the number of light posts and black posts holding the shelter up I've concluded that the platforms are 30-50% longer than at Cardinia Road.
    There's room for 2 more tracks on the left (visible in Marcus Wong's photo) at Tarneit.


    At Wyndham Vale they've left space on the right (or east) for future platforms, but there may need to be some sharp bends in the track.
    Posted: 06 Jan 2014 18:51
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    I went for a long bike ride today and got some pics of the new RRL stations.
    After counting the number of light posts and black posts holding the shelter up I've concluded that the platforms are 30-50% longer than at Cardinia Road.
    There's room for 2 more tracks on the left (visible in Marcus Wong's photo) at Tarneit.




    At Wyndham Vale they've left space on the right (or east) for future platforms, but there may need to be some sharp bends in the track.
    Gauntlet

    Looking at this aerial video.

    At Tarneit looking a the bridge opening at Derrimut Road additional future tracks will run on the South side of the new station.

    Looks like little or none of the minor new station buildings are designed for additional tracks.

    Planning for another day !  


    At Wyndham Vale the area to the East will need a great lot of earthmoving to enlarge the cutting for additional tracks, only a small section has been dug out underneath the station building bridge that Is full with.

    I looks like the car park on the Northern side Is a little bit close to the existing cutting, and there for would need to be sacrificed when the time come to enlarge the cutting.
    Posted: 06 Jan 2014 20:45

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