PN mineral sands train

 
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Looking online of pics of PN's mineral sand train running between Broken Hill and Adelaide I have noticed that some time in the last 12 months or so the RHJY hoppers have stopped being used in conjunction with NQTY 40' container wagons. Also I noticed that there now appears to be 40' container wagons of 2 different deck heights in use. I assume one type is still the NQTY wagons. What are the wagons currently in use on this service and when were the RHJY hoppers stopped being used?

Regards
Matt

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  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Looking online of pics of PN's mineral sand train running between Broken Hill and Adelaide I have noticed that some time in the last 12 months or so the RHJY hoppers have stopped being used in conjunction with NQTY 40' container wagons. Also I noticed that there now appears to be 40' container wagons of 2 different deck heights in use. I assume one type is still the NQTY wagons. What are the wagons currently in use on this service and when were the RHJY hoppers stopped being used?

Regards
Matt
"K-Class"


Hmmmm, last I did a shunt with these Hoppers would have to be around May 2013, so I suspect around June/July at the latest was when they stopped running.

There has been a mixture of wagons used, from NQTY (which are still there), RQNY ( converted wagons that are still being modified back in Broken Hill yard) to the CQYY from memory, which are a fair bit heavier at 89 tonnes.

Green train has the 2 locomotives running on it now, and the blue train is the single locomotive consist. The heavier wagons are being used on the green train.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
So it's been just over 3 years since the G/BL//81's were taken off this train & replaced with NR's. Don't know why the former 3 loco types were no longer assigned to haul the Bemax?
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
So it's been just over 3 years since the G/BL//81's were taken off this train & replaced with NR's. Don't know why the former 3 loco types were no longer assigned to haul the Bemax?
greasyrhys


there was also a t class in broken hill yard which was the bemax shunter?
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
there was also a t class in broken hill yard which was the bemax shunter?
"JimYarin"

There is no bemax Shunter as such, and definitely if there was it would not have been the poor T Class! T class was never used for shunting, and banished forthwith to be replaced by the current 8039.

The G/BL etc were taken off as they were required elsewhere, had lower reliability issues especially in summer and from a locomotive balancing point of view it is far easier to swap out NR's from passing steel trains then wait for a bulk job to send an engine up.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
There is no bemax Shunter as such, and definitely if there was it would not have been the poor T Class! T class was never used for shunting, and banished forthwith to be replaced by the current 8039.

The G/BL etc were taken off as they were required elsewhere, had lower reliability issues especially in summer and from a locomotive balancing point of view it is far easier to swap out NR's from passing steel trains then wait for a bulk job to send an engine up.
seb2351


i thought i may have read a vr t class was for some time the yard goat in broken hill and handled bemax?
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Hmmmm, last I did a shunt with these Hoppers would have to be around May 2013, so I suspect around June/July at the latest was when they stopped running.

There has been a mixture of wagons used, from NQTY (which are still there), RQNY ( converted wagons that are still being modified back in Broken Hill yard) to the CQYY from memory, which are a fair bit heavier at 89 tonnes.

Green train has the 2 locomotives running on it now, and the blue train is the single locomotive consist. The heavier wagons are being used on the green train.
seb2351


Thanks seb2351

Do you know the difference in train length between the trains lead by a single NR vs double headed trains.

Matt
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
i thought i may have read a vr t class was for some time the yard goat in broken hill and handled bemax?
"JimYarin"

The delightful T379 did visit broken hill for around 2 months, but was unavailable for shunting purposes.

The shunting that occurs at Broken Hill is normally carried out by the 80 class ( or the NR on Saturdays) for moving ore trucks, repairs wagons etc etc.

The Bemax train, when it does come in for a shunt is just a straight detach/attach and thus no shunt engine is required.

For the Bemax siding, the shunting in regards to marshalling and loading is carried out by the NR, and on the extremely rare occasion the 80 class might venture out there for a shift on days when the locos are swapped for example.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Thanks seb2351

Do you know the difference in train length between the trains lead by a single NR vs double headed trains.

Matt
"K-Class"

For your single loco consists, normally about 37 wagons  max for 580m. Your double loco consists are normally 49 wagons max and then she is a 785m train.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia


For the Bemax siding, the shunting in regards to marshalling and loading is carried out by the NR, and on the extremely rare occasion the 80 class might venture out there for a shift on days when the locos are swapped for example.
seb2351


Where is the BeMax siding located?  Is it within the Broken Hill township or elsewhere?

Regards
Brian
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Where is the BeMax siding located?  Is it within the Broken Hill township or elsewhere?

Regards
Brian
"bevans"

On the outskirts of Broken Hill, maybe 5km tops? It would be on the SA side of town.
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
On 27-12-2013, a grain train heading south through Broadford Vic, had 1 RHJY hopper mixed in with the VHGF or VHAF type wagons. I thought it was unusual to see a black in any sort of grain use.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
On the outskirts of Broken Hill, maybe 5km tops? It would be on the SA side of town.
seb2351

Known locally as Kanandah.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
There is no bemax Shunter as such, and definitely if there was it would not have been the poor T Class! T class was never used for shunting, and banished forthwith to be replaced by the current 8039.

The G/BL etc were taken off as they were required elsewhere, had lower reliability issues especially in summer and from a locomotive balancing point of view it is far easier to swap out NR's from passing steel trains then wait for a bulk job to send an engine up.
"seb2351"


Guess that explains, cheers.

Would be great to see the BL's & G's on this train, or maybe on another service in SA one day. Especially if more nr's are put on R&B services.
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Well thats what the 93s are for, they're indirectly replacing the % of NRs that have been allocated to the Boral train in NSW.

Must say you came very close a few months ago to having AN's (and the G was thought of as well) on that Bemax train over there.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
That would've been great, a AN-G combo would've got just about every enthusiast in Adelaide (& SA) out for it.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Well thats what the 93s are for, they're indirectly replacing the % of NRs that have been allocated to the Boral train in NSW.

Must say you came very close a few months ago to having AN's (and the G was thought of as well) on that Bemax train over there.
"Typhon"

Which we luckily avoided, the heat and poor maintenance facilities out this way do not lend themselves to reliable locomotive operations! ( at least for the G class!)

Mind you, I reckon a DL and an AN might have been an alright combination!
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
what are the prospects for more mineral sands on rail in either victoria or sa?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
what are the prospects for more mineral sands on rail in either victoria or sa? Based on a media report from Iluka about the present minieral sands operation between Hopetoun and Hamilton they stated the market was still soft.  That would indicate little prospects for expansion but they did say the current operation would continue.
JimYarin

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