Repititive recorded destination announcements

 
  mysterytrain Beginner

Nice new trains on Eastern Hills line. What spoils the ride is recorded announcements repeating the next destination THREE times per station. The announcement voice is a snotty "posh" accent of some middle class woman who seems to make her living this way. The constant interruptions of make reading difficult and assume we are all morons as the text monitor also provides this information. Ignores the fact that most passengers have travelled the route for years but ok lets concede it includes airport stations and ok have the 3 times repetition for those two stations only ok?

Actually I caught a train taking unusual route of via airport via Sydenham the other day and NO announcements just when I did need them. I disembarked unnecessarily as a result/

So its overkill or nothing? Wake up and give max one inter-station destination announcement-we survived on that until now right? In the meantime I sometimes skip the new trains for an old one so I will not be constantly nagged by that VOICE the whole journey! Show passengers respect still please.

moonriverdiver

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  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller



Actually I caught a train taking unusual route of via airport via Sydenham the other day and NO announcements just when I did need them. I disembarked unnecessarily as a result/

moonriverdiver
"mysterytrain"


Going via Sydenham and via the airport is certainly an unusual route. I would be interested in how it was done. There would be no announcements because someone was very confused.
The announcements are primarly a requirement of the disability regulations. They may be overkill for you, but ask a blind person if it is overkill for them.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Going via Sydenham and via the airport is certainly an unusual route.
Airvan99

If it's Sydenham -> Circle -> Airport, the run number changes at CQY (I think), so that would be how it is done on Waratahs and Mils.
  Airvan99 Junior Train Controller

If it's Sydenham -> Circle -> Airport, the run number changes at CQY (I think), so that would be how it is done on Waratahs and Mils.
"s3_gunzel"


Thanks for that, I never thought of that. Why would anybody take an east hills train inbound via Sydenham then the city circle then via the airport?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Thanks for that, I never thought of that. Why would anybody take an east hills train inbound via Sydenham then the city circle then via the airport?
Airvan99

That's also why, when reading stopping patterns on trains they stop at Circular Quay.

No idea.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Ah yes, the Circular Quay question.

My understanding is that within the internal computer systems for signalling and train control and so on, each run of a diagram can only become the next run of that diagram (or "change run number", to use s3_gunzel's terminology) at one point. For the City Circle, this changeover point is Circular Quay. (The same used to apply to Birrong/Regents Park for Bankstown loop trains, where Birrong/Regents Park was the changeover point.)

Now, from the customer information perspective, a City Circle train has a different start and end of the run. Let us take an example of an up South Line train forming a down Airport Line train, by going around the City Outer (i.e. first stop Town Hall). Going by passenger information displays and printed passenger information material, the South Line run terminates at Museum while the Airport Line train commences at Town Hall. From the passenger information perspective, it is therefore two runs at once; this is something the computer systems cannot handle, because they can only see one train on one run (at a time).

So within the computer systems, the up South Line run terminates at Circular Quay and forms the down Airport Line train, i.e. the train terminates at Circular Quay; hence, the onboard passenger information displays change over at Circular Quay.

For the record, I believe this is also why the older Grant Goldman digital voice announcements (as still used at Olympic Park) state that trains to the City Circle terminate at Circular Quay (e.g. Central, Town Hall, Wynyard, Circular Quay.). s3_gunzel should be more than familiar with this.
  piepants Chief Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
So within the computer systems, the up South Line run terminates at Circular Quay and forms the down Airport Line train, i.e. the train terminates at Circular Quay; hence, the onboard passenger information displays change over at Circular Quay.
Watson374

Correct. From the perspective of the Waratah's CSS system (haven't had any experience with the Mils or Oscars) the programmed run ends when there's a change in run number. It doesn't know what's past Circular Quay until the next run is loaded.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
For the record, I believe this is also why the older Grant Goldman digital voice announcements (as still used at Olympic Park) state that trains to the City Circle terminate at Circular Quay (e.g. Central, Town Hall, Wynyard, Circular Quay.). s3_gunzel should be more than familiar with this.
Watson374

Well it has SWTT per computer information, which is the runs per the WTT - Which terminates at Circular Quay, so that would be why.
  FullSeries Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
For operations, the run number changed when the train first reaches Central before going around the Quay, so a run would be say - 71-S Central 21 to Homebush 6. Shore trains still change at Central, and Lidcombe via Bankstown change at Sefton Park Junctions, in the middle of the East Fork.
  RBC Locomotive Driver

Location: Beautiful Richmond
With all said it must be confusing for persons who do not travel regularly or are used to the older sets with manual announcements by the Guard. People from say the west know that their train goes to the CITY and automatically join the first train heading in the UP direction. The train departs their station then the announcement This train goes to CENTRAL stopping at blah/blah then CENTRAL
these announcements continue until the train arrives at Redfern. On departure Redfern the announcement is then This train goes to CENTRAL. Therefore pax on the train have no verbal or scrolling information that the train will proceed to Town Hall or Wynyard and would assume the train terminates at CENTRAL. Regulars become aware of this but it is confusing for those who don't happen to travel regularly or have traveled on the older trains.
We know that the announcements are activated by run number, which change at Central, but surely with modern technology the announcements could include "Train continues to Town Hall Wynyard and North Shore"
  bjwh86 Chief Train Controller

But if a South line train runs into the Airport line, then the Guard? Can and does change the PID at Central rather than Circular Quay.
  Kamz Assistant Commissioner

There is no reason why trains can't display the correct destinations and stopping patterns. It all comes back to bad programming that has evolved from the Mills and continued with the Oscars and Waratahs. I can't believe 12 years later it's still the same problem. The programming doesn't allow Guards to do much in terms of extending stopping patterns or fixing errors.
  RBC Locomotive Driver

Location: Beautiful Richmond
Maybe that would be too simple for them to comprehend!

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