Public Transport Victoria reveals plans for additional rail services

 

News article: Public Transport Victoria reveals plans for additional rail services

INCREASING the frequency of trains to and from Melbourne has been reiterated as a priority by Public Transport Victoria (PTV) upon completion of the Regional Rail Link (RRL) project.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
INCREASING the frequency of trains to and from Melbourne has been reiterated as a priority by Public Transport Victoria (PTV) upon completion of the Regional Rail Link (RRL) project.

The news will be comfort to some Ballarat commuters who are currently using  coaches until January 19 while works on the project ramp up over the holiday period.
Public Transport Victoria reveals plans for additional rail services


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Do we have a view of how may new services will be made available on the Ballarat line? The story suggests the PTV have indicated there will be more frequent services meaning more rollingstock will be required.  Has this rollingstock been ordered or provisioned for?

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  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
More trains promised in May budget

Earlier this month the Victorian Government released its 2012-13 budget, committing to a number of projects with benefits for V/Line, regional infrastructure, transport and passengers. With patronage at an all-time high and all our trains in use, V/line is thrilled that money has been allocated to build new train carriages. The government is planning for these to be manufactured locally, with hundreds of millions of dollars going towards at least thirty new carriages.

A $47.3 million program to upgrade level crossings includes $2 million for Lardner’s Track on the Gippsland line and Victoria’s number one level crossing blackspot. Funding also includes the upgrade of the Warragul Station car park and construction of a new underpass. Wendouree locals will be pleased to know $1.6 million will be allocated across the next four years to allow for the extension of a further 68 trains to and from the station. Returning trains to Talbot has always been on the cards, but $2.5 million has now been allotted for the construction and upgrade of Talbot Station (on the Maryborough – Ballarat line).
Trains are scheduled to return in 2013.

In the South West, the proposed construction of a new passing loop between Warrnambool and Geelong will receive $10 million to potentially add more trains to and from Warrnambool and give better timetable flexibility. Up to $3 million over two years has been allocated to continue planning for a rail link to Avalon Airport and another $2 million for research into the viability of returning train services to run between Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo.$172 million has been awarded for rail infrastructure maintenance and improvements across the Victorian regional rail network.

More detail on the budget can be found on the Victorian Government Budget website at budget.vic.gov.au
http://www.vline.com.au/pdf/publications/newsletters/issue77.pdf
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
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Do we have a view of how may new services will be made available on the Ballarat line? The story suggests the PTV have indicated there will be more frequent services meaning more rollingstock will be required. Has this rollingstock been ordered or provisioned for?
bevans

Yes...
  richter170 Locomotive Driver

As a commuter to work in Melbourne for the last 13 years the service to Ballarat became a lot better after the RFR works. The last train to Ballarat was at 2055.

The service is hourly in the evenings 1740,1825,1926,2024 until you get to a massive gap from the 2024 to 2154 which is the last for the night! And it's usually packed and run by a 2 car V/city.

The Bendigo by contrast has a service at 1920,2020,2122 and 2222.

I can't understand why the Bendigo train which travels further has a service later and on the hour.

My suggestion is make a 2125 Wendouree and then a 2225 Wendouree. If loading warranted it have like we used to have with a local to Bacchus Marsh only at say 2300.

I finish work a lot around the 2100 mark. So I usually drive into the city instead of waiting those long 54 minutes for a train.

I understand that the trip times from Ballarat have been modified when the service resumes as all up trains must go on the old North line at Deer Park junction as these two lines have been converted to up and down tracks instead of bi-directional.

Cheers Al.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
are there significantly more services on the bendigo line over a 24 hour period compared to the ballarat line?

are there sufficient services currently to bendigo or does this need improvement?
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Okay, question from a confuzzled northerner: why are the 'flagship' services so early? For example, on the Ballarat line, what appears to be the PM down 'flagship' leaves Melbourne at 16:38, which I find bizarre given the office day doesn't finish until 17:00; likewise, what appears to be the Bendigo AM up 'flagship' arrives in Melbourne at 07:25.

Oh, and on timings, why does the 05:30 ex-Traralgon terminate at Flinders Street?
  Simbera Train Controller

Okay, question from a confuzzled northerner: why are the 'flagship' services so early? For example, on the Ballarat line, what appears to be the PM down 'flagship' leaves Melbourne at 16:38, which I find bizarre given the office day doesn't finish until 17:00; likewise, what appears to be the Bendigo AM up 'flagship' arrives in Melbourne at 07:25.

Oh, and on timings, why does the 05:30 ex-Traralgon terminate at Flinders Street?
Watson374

My guess would be - because they made commitments at the time of RFR to reach X city in Y number of minutes; the cheapest way they can do this is with a "flagship" service that runs express for all or most of the journey; and the only way they can do THAT is if it's travelling outside of the peak. RRL will help this to some degree but you won't get a seriously quick service at a time people actually want to travel until they duplicate more of the line between Deer Park and Ballarat.

I know we have new rolling stock on the way, some of which may be assigned to new Ballarat line services, but I feel as though that rolling stock has been double-booked - every time someone comes out with "We need more services" the response is "We have more rolling stock coming" but there is only so much you can do with 40 units.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
are these new 40 units complete sets and when are they expected to be available for services?

where are they likely to be stored as the number if sets vline have now operating is growing taking up yard space.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Okay, question from a confuzzled northerner: why are the 'flagship' services so early? For example, on the Ballarat line, what appears to be the PM down 'flagship' leaves Melbourne at 16:38, which I find bizarre given the office day doesn't finish until 17:00; likewise, what appears to be the Bendigo AM up 'flagship' arrives in Melbourne at 07:25.
Watson374

One of the main reasons for the flagship services leaving early is so that they don't get delayed by station-to-station trains that would otherwise get in the way.  i.e. The Bendigo flagship leaves at 5:45am, and stop-all-stations trains follow at 6:15 and 6:30am.  It wouldn't work the other way around.

One benefit is that if you want to then get to somewhere else in Melbourne before 9:00am, a 7:25am arrival at SCS helps!  It's worked for me in the past.  Perhaps they could consider two express services in the morning peak: The current one, and then another that gets to SCS at say 8:45am?
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
One of the main reasons for the flagship services leaving early is so that they don't get delayed by station-to-station trains that would otherwise get in the way.  i.e. The Bendigo flagship leaves at 5:45am, and stop-all-stations trains follow at 6:15 and 6:30am.  It wouldn't work the other way around.

One benefit is that if you want to then get to somewhere else in Melbourne before 9:00am, a 7:25am arrival at SCS helps!  It's worked for me in the past.  Perhaps they could consider two express services in the morning peak: The current one, and then another that gets to SCS at say 8:45am?
"Carnot"
That makes sense, and I like that idea.

I do, however, see something like this done on the Traralgon line. There are four morning peak up services, all commuter; there are two morning up fast services, the 05:30 and and 06:39 ex-Traralgon services (arriving at Flinders St at 07:30 and 08:42 respectively); there are also two all-stops services, the 04:31 and 05:58 ex-Traralgon services (arriving at Flinders St at 06:47 and 08:25 respectively).

There are four evening peak down services, three commuter and one long-distance; there are three evening down all-stops services, the 16:10, 16:51 and 17:39 ex-Southern Cross services (arriving at Traralgon at 18:21, 18:59 and 20:26 respectively); there is then the only evening peak fast service, the evening down Bairnsdale (18:36 ex-Southern Cross, calling at Traralgon at 20:49).

I believe the Regional Rail Link will open up better pathing for regional commuter services, and hopefully we will see a double-flagship sandwiching on the Bendigo service. The problem with the 'flagship' model is that it can result in big gaps, such as the former gap of over 90 minutes before the Ballarat flagship had Ballan added; this can only be alleviated with frequency, but frequency limits how much we can skip-stop.
  Simbera Train Controller

are these new 40 units complete sets and when are they expected to be available for services?

where are they likely to be stored as the number if sets vline have now operating is growing taking up yard space.
JimYarin

19 of the 40 units will be central units that will be inserted into existing 2VLos. The remainder will comprise 7 complete 3VLos. They're supposed to be delivered progressively between 2014-2016, in time for RRL.

No idea on storage.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
19 of the 40 units will be central units that will be inserted into existing 2VLos. The remainder will comprise 7 complete 3VLos. They're supposed to be delivered progressively between 2014-2016, in time for RRL.
Simbera

Will any 2VLos remain?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
That makes sense, and I like that idea.

I do, however, see something like this done on the Traralgon line. There are four morning peak up services, all commuter; there are two morning up fast services, the 05:30 and and 06:39 ex-Traralgon services (arriving at Flinders St at 07:30 and 08:42 respectively); there are also two all-stops services, the 04:31 and 05:58 ex-Traralgon services (arriving at Flinders St at 06:47 and 08:25 respectively).

There are four evening peak down services, three commuter and one long-distance; there are three evening down all-stops services, the 16:10, 16:51 and 17:39 ex-Southern Cross services (arriving at Traralgon at 18:21, 18:59 and 20:26 respectively); there is then the only evening peak fast service, the evening down Bairnsdale (18:36 ex-Southern Cross, calling at Traralgon at 20:49).

I believe the Regional Rail Link will open up better pathing for regional commuter services, and hopefully we will see a double-flagship sandwiching on the Bendigo service. The problem with the 'flagship' model is that it can result in big gaps, such as the former gap of over 90 minutes before the Ballarat flagship had Ballan added; this can only be alleviated with frequency, but frequency limits how much we can skip-stop.
Watson374

For Flagship services to work and properly serve the timetable and stations on the whole line, they need to be an additional service the departs just before a sweeper stop all stations service and not be a limited stop service taking up the train path but failing to service minor stations (leaving larger gaps In the timetable)

But to have an express train leave the terminus station for It's destination followed by a local sweeper service, the need for double track though out the whole route becomes great without Impacting on opposing movements.

The Geelong line would have no problems, but the other lines have capacity Issues.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Which lines on the current RFR have capacity issues?  Gippsland has double track for a decent distance or are there issues also?

Are both Ballarat and Bendigo have single track (bendigo most recently)

Regards
Brian
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Which lines on the current RFR have capacity issues? Gippsland has double track for a decent distance or are there issues also?

Are both Ballarat and Bendigo have single track (bendigo most recently)

Regards
Brian
bevans

The Gippsland line has capacity Issues In the suburban area, along with Bunyip to Longwarry single section and the lack of a second platform at Moe.

The Ballarat line has major capacity Issues between Deer Park West and Ballarat East (Deer Park West to Bacchus Marsh In need of duplication)

The Bendigo line needs the Kyneton to Taradale and Elphinstone to Castlemaine line re duplicated.
  Simbera Train Controller

Will any 2VLos remain?
awsgc24

I'm not sure. I know there has been talk of eliminating 2VLos altogether but that may just be rumour (and personally I think it would be a bad idea).

Possibly someone could do the maths if they know how many 2VLos are currently in service?

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