Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
It would definitely be a waste of $400k if the 1-year trial is a failure.
Greasyrhys, $400k wouldn't cover the North Tce pollies lunch money for a week!
Millswood Station re-opening 12 month trial
Pressman
Spirit of the Vine
Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Greasyrhys, $400k wouldn't cover the North Tce pollies lunch money for a week!
AFULE
Chief Train Controller
Location: South Australia
Got this link from another Forum Labor vows to reopen Millswood Station.
Seems it all hinges on Labors 1% chance of winning next months election, Liberal's closed it years ago looks like they are going to keep it closed. I wonder if Vicki Chapman (Shadow Minister for Transport and Infrastructure) is just going to brush the idea off.
nscaler69 - Thanks and well done for putting it up on the forum page, I note the local liberal member Pisoni ? is the only person opposing it in the article.
Regards Rex
steam4ian
Chief Commissioner
The thing more likely than anything else to can it is that Labor trumpeted it so loudly.
Ironic when they have had months to put the station back into service. It would not cost $400,000 to pull some weeds and put a quick top coat on the platform surface. Arguably the lighting should be upgraded; easily done with about 8 solar power LED luminaires like those used at Fairfax Ave PLX, cost overall about $32,000 for lighting and $5,000 for surfacing. If the trial demonstrates that Millswood is dead then the lighting fittings can be used elsewhere.
Ironic when they have had months to put the station back into service. It would not cost $400,000 to pull some weeds and put a quick top coat on the platform surface. Arguably the lighting should be upgraded; easily done with about 8 solar power LED luminaires like those used at Fairfax Ave PLX, cost overall about $32,000 for lighting and $5,000 for surfacing. If the trial demonstrates that Millswood is dead then the lighting fittings can be used elsewhere.
SAR523
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Chicago, IL
It would definitely be a waste of $400k if the 1-year trial is a failure.
While it's true that a couple of hundred thousand here and a couple of thousand there sooner or later adds up to real money, just to put it in perspective, $400k is 0.0025% of the State's annual expenditure (or 0.09% of the projected 2015 deficit, depending on your point of view
).
dvdplaza
Chief Train Controller
Hey AFULE, just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your original post.
There's post after post calling you a liar and the news fake, but after being proven correct there's still been no thanks and although I played no part feel bad reading through all this... so thanks again for bringing this interesting news forward
There's post after post calling you a liar and the news fake, but after being proven correct there's still been no thanks and although I played no part feel bad reading through all this... so thanks again for bringing this interesting news forward
SAR526
Chief Train Controller
Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
Hey AFULE, just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your original post.
There's post after post calling you a liar and the news fake, but after being proven correct there's still been no thanks and although I played no part feel bad reading through all this... so thanks again for bringing this interesting news forward
I endorse this comment wholeheartedly. Keep up your posting AFULE. There are some others on this list with similar thoughts to your own, and it would seem that you have had professional rail experience that is shared by only a few of us.
As someone who has loved puff puffs from an early 1930s childhood to the present but is far more interested in light and heavy rail taking their proper places in our national transport mix, I hope to read much more from you.
AFULE
Chief Train Controller
Location: South Australia
I like to thank the people who supported me in regards to this post and who are aware of my nearly fifty years in the rail industry and my commitment to rail, once again thank you.
Just to let you know I attended a little gathering today at 1.30 at Millswood Railway Station with about twenty of the locals who have been pushing for this station to be re-opened for nearly 19 years, it was good to see the joy on the faces of those people.
The Premier Jay Weatherill, and local member Steph Keys came along to meet the locals on there way to another commitment, it was interesting to hear the locals state that they had approach the liberal member Pisoni about this cause and he said he did not support the re-opening of the station.
The local community people said that they were please that the Premier had listen to there request and he had made the commitment to have the station re-opened, even for a 12 month trial because it gave them the opportunity to show that the station is warranted.
Just to let you know I attended a little gathering today at 1.30 at Millswood Railway Station with about twenty of the locals who have been pushing for this station to be re-opened for nearly 19 years, it was good to see the joy on the faces of those people.
The Premier Jay Weatherill, and local member Steph Keys came along to meet the locals on there way to another commitment, it was interesting to hear the locals state that they had approach the liberal member Pisoni about this cause and he said he did not support the re-opening of the station.
The local community people said that they were please that the Premier had listen to there request and he had made the commitment to have the station re-opened, even for a 12 month trial because it gave them the opportunity to show that the station is warranted.
steam4ian
Chief Commissioner
The joke is that they have had 12 years to reopen it.
With a tight election coming they suddenly discover it.
That said, I hope it opens.
With a tight election coming they suddenly discover it.
That said, I hope it opens.
Seldom_21
Junior Train Controller
Location: South Australia
Great, so now we add another stop to the Belair line - seriously, how slow do you want the train to go - add another few minutes onto the journey, and you're almost faster to drive.
As a side note: my apologies AFULE, in a world dominated by media mongrels and social media, to see nothing online hinted bull dust to me, so forgive my flippancy in my earlier post
Seldom
As a side note: my apologies AFULE, in a world dominated by media mongrels and social media, to see nothing online hinted bull dust to me, so forgive my flippancy in my earlier post
Seldom
David Peters
Dr Beeching
Location: "With Hey Boy".
Millswood has a ramp to the platform.
Yes but does it comply with current standards one reason why Goodwood should be closed the ramps do not have flat rest spots on them as required!
I for one was not poobahing the idea at all, but just as election promises go we are still waiting on a great hoard of promises made all the way back to the late Don Dunstan almost!
Gayspie
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
I was expecting the station upgrade to cost nowhere near $400, 000.
I agree with the $32,000 for the lighting, the $5000 for surfacing but I think there should be $13,000 allocated for a new voice annunciator on the platform, new station signage, painting of the existing shelter along with the white safety lines and furthermore, a steel bus stop style seat placed in the shelter.
I was expecting the station upgrade to cost nowhere near $400, 000.
I agree with the $32,000 for the lighting, the $5000 for surfacing but I think there should be $13,000 allocated for a new voice annunciator on the platform, new station signage, painting of the existing shelter along with the white safety lines and furthermore, a steel bus stop style seat placed in the shelter.
AFULE
Chief Train Controller
Location: South Australia
Great, so now we add another stop to the Belair line - seriously, how slow do you want the train to go - add another few minutes onto the journey, and you're almost faster to drive.
As a side note: my apologies AFULE, in a world dominated by media mongrels and social media, to see nothing online hinted bull dust to me, so forgive my flippancy in my earlier post
Seldom
Seldom_21 not a problem , but isn't public transport about picking up and dropping people off, if you look at the stats more people use stopping trains that use express train services, I think the same applies for buses.If you look at the express services during the peaks period it is extremely difficult to increase the frequency of trains for those non interchanges stations where the largest number of passengers come from, unless you do a really radical service change to buses and trains at the same time, and I mean radical, it would take some selling to the community but it would be better for all.
Keep blogging it much the forum interesting.
Regards, Rex
Aaron
Minister for Railways
Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yes but does it comply with current standards one reason why Goodwood should be closed the ramps do not have flat rest spots on them as required!Better close ARS then! Have you seen Millswood this decade or last? It hasn't resembled Goodwood in quite some time.
2001
Moderator The Snow Lord
Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Guys,
I've taken several OT posts and created a new thread on SA politics and transport :
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1895354.htm#1895354
I've taken several OT posts and created a new thread on SA politics and transport :
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1895354.htm#1895354
Gayspie
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Adelaide, SA
it looks like maybe that labor are still in power so hopefully the Mills-wood station does reopen in the middle of the year as planned!
David Peters
Dr Beeching
Location: "With Hey Boy".
it looks like maybe that labor are still in power so hopefully the Mills-wood station does reopen in the middle of the year as planned!
They are back in power. But like a lot of things heath if is is simply money being spent on virtually nothing then there might be a rethink of a trial for Millswood. They will not get hardly a cent from the Federal Government for the next 4 years so spending money on something that would be seen as nothing to the rest of the voters in this state might just get the hackles up a bit. I am not saying they will or will not but in the next 4 years of power they will have to tread very carefully indeed one false step and it could all be over for Labor for a while. They only got in this time because of an independent going with them, so it really was extremely close for them, if they make too many mistakes now it might end up in a change completely at the next election! So I can see a lot of purse strings being tightened up or some projects abandoned even.
justapassenger
Chief Commissioner
They are back in power. But like a lot of things heath if is is simply money being spent on virtually nothing then there might be a rethink of a trial for Millswood. They will not get hardly a cent from the Federal Government for the next 4 years so spending money on something that would be seen as nothing to the rest of the voters in this state might just get the hackles up a bit. I am not saying they will or will not but in the next 4 years of power they will have to tread very carefully indeed one false step and it could all be over for Labor for a while. They only got in this time because of an independent going with them, so it really was extremely close for them, if they make too many mistakes now it might end up in a change completely at the next election! So I can see a lot of purse strings being tightened up or some projects abandoned even.A point which doesn't look good for the Millswood trial is that the government will have some level of plausible deniability if they drop it.
Remember the talk in the first few pages about it possibly being a fake presser? That was caused by it getting released by the local member and not on the Department of the Premier and Cabinet media page where all proper government announcements go, and that could be used to explain away its cancellation as a non-core issue.
Aaron
Minister for Railways
Location: University of Adelaide SA
Or indeed it's cancellation for it's pure lack of interest and value.
justapassenger
Chief Commissioner
Or indeed it's cancellation for it's pure lack of interest and value.They'll still need some level of spin to deal with the local agitators.
They are hardly the most rational bunch - they were courting the local Liberal candidate and the party's transport spokesbot as potentially getting them a better deal on public transport in the area!
nscaler69
Deputy Commissioner
Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Labor said the money for the trial was coming from the Car Park levee aka Transport Development Levy, so i can't see why anything would change, unless they say that was a promise made by the former Minister Cloe Fox.
justapassenger
Chief Commissioner
Labor saidThere's enough of a problem before you go any further. They are proven liars (see the pledging of rail electrification north of the city at the 2010 election, the 2014 election and probably 2018 as well, and the hundreds of unfulfilled promises to fix South Road from three terms in government) who are very fond of revising what they did/didn't say some time after it was/wasn't said.
Aaron
Minister for Railways
Location: University of Adelaide SA
There's enough of a problem before you go any further. They are proven liars (see the pledging of rail electrification north of the city at the 2010 election, the 2014 election and probably 2018 as well, and the hundreds of unfulfilled promises to fix South Road from three terms in government) who are very fond of revising what they did/didn't say some time after it was/wasn't said.Labor also pledged to reinstate express (they actually mean skip stop) services on the Noarlunga line by the end of April. What's the bet we get to the end of May with implemented skip stop timetable? Here's Labor's problem, they have been telling locals they'll have express services, because that's what's been requested (demanded) by the 'locals', and the state ALP have said they'll do it. Then when someone with rail knowledge actually looks at their proposal you realise the ALP 'express' is actually a skip stop - they've misrepresented their own policy because they don't actually know what the words mean.
David Peters
Dr Beeching
Location: "With Hey Boy".
There's enough of a problem before you go any further. They are proven liars (see the pledging of rail electrification north of the city at the 2010 election, the 2014 election and probably 2018 as well, and the hundreds of unfulfilled promises to fix South Road from three terms in government) who are very fond of revising what they did/didn't say some time after it was/wasn't said.
All too true unfortunately what justapassenger has said. If they need money desperately for something else they will use that money and anything else they can get money out of to do it. So a lot of promises are no more than election smeg to get re-elected again. Do you really believe any promises made by pollies around an election though, most are just things that people dream of getting done anyway and most are still waiting for these dreams to actually materialize.
Gayspie
Assistant Commissioner
Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
if millswood is to be reopened by July then work should be starting soon on the station.
about how long will $400,000 worth of works take?
if millswood is to be reopened by July then work should be starting soon on the station.
about how long will $400,000 worth of works take?
justapassenger
Chief Commissioner
You need to know what work is being paid for before determining how much time it will take. If the $400,000 is just for a feasibility study the real work happens before it officially starts - crafting the criteria of the study to ensure the predetermined outcome will be reached.