Seaford Line

 
  split_city Station Master

Does anyone just get the following when going to the http://transittimesapp.com/electric site? I have gone on there all week and this is what it gives me i.e. no actual train information.


Adelaide Electric Trains

Last updated Sunday 9 Mar 2014 7:11 AM





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  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Does anyone just get the following when going to the http://transittimesapp.com/electric site? I have gone on there all week and this is what it gives me i.e. no actual train information.


Adelaide Electric Trains

Last updated Sunday 9 Mar 2014 7:11 AM


Station Destination When


Real-time bus, train & tram arrivals: TransitTimes+ for iOS & Android
split_city

Currently there are no rostered electrics in the evenings, nor on weekends.  The first few times I visited the site I got the same display as you.  The page does report station stops in the next 20-30 minutes based on real-time information.  However there seems to be a hole in coverage around ARS.  There have been 3 units in service during the daytime but at times only one has shown up at the website.

Alex C
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
I think you may find at least two A-City sets running on the Seaford line today Sunday 9 March....the NRM special at 1.25pm from ARS and one other set...which should be at Seaford either just before or just after the NRM special arrives/departs Seaford.....eg about 2.15pm approx.8)
  flexity103 Station Master

I am hoping the electrics will be running next Sunday 16th March because a few friends have planned a trip down to Seaford.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Currently there are no rostered electrics in the evenings, nor on weekends. The first few times I visited the site I got the same display as you. The page does report station stops in the next 20-30 minutes based on real-time information. However there seems to be a hole in coverage around ARS. There have been 3 units in service during the daytime but at times only one has shown up at the website.

Alex C
62430


It won't display when an electric is departing ARS but you can figure that out yourself for example look for the arrival time of the electric in the ARS. Ill use the 12:00pm to Seaford service as an example since that is an electric service. The arrival time of the electric at ARS would be 11:43am 2 minutes before the next scheduled service is due to depart to Seaford there will already be a train at the station that will be the 11:45am service the train that is scheduled to pull into the yard at 11:43am will be the service after that.

So if an electric pulls into ARS at 11:43am it will be the 12:00pm to Seaford or if an electric pulls into the yard at 1:28pm it will be the 1:45pm service to Seaford.

But that website and the android version of that app is the only way to tell when an electric is going to show up it may not be 100% reliable but at the moment its the best you are going to get. Heck its even more reliable than the signalling staff and other drivers I've asked them when an electric will come into the ARS they either reply "I'm not sure hang around and wait" or they will give me a time thats incorrect and a diesel ends up being a train used for that service.

EDIT: Apart from special events like that NRM event that is being done today for the electrics I wouldn't expect electrics to be in service on evening and weekends for months yet.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Some observations from electric and diesel trips made in the last couple of days.

Quite a few of the TSRs seem to have been removed. Most, if not all, of the hi-rail hardstanding access pads have now been removed S of Ascot Park. Several of the signal sighting restrictions have gone, notably on the down aproaching Myer Rd at Lonsdale and on the up on the curve at Christies Ck.  A new 15 TSR applies on the down at the Noarlunga crossovers, and a couple of short lengths of replacement rail were lying adjacent the facing points.

The U and D stencil route indicators on the junction signals at Noarlunga, Seaford Meadows and Seaford are out of use and covered with black plastic.

I had my first trips on the electrics yesterday.  The 1451 and 1736 from Seaford were lightly loaded but had no difficulty running to time, even I think having to wait at some stops for the scheduled departure time.  The 1451 was the first train that I have been on since the reopeneing taht has arrived at ARS on schedule.  The 1630 from ARS was comfortably filled with a few people were standing around the doors.  The 1615, a 2car diesel was more tightly packed.  The 1630 was about 3 mins late in leaving from plat 2 and lost 1-2 mins more to Seaford.  

Alex C
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Hearing reports of no electrics are being run today due to no power on the overhead wires I don't know for what reason though.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Serious fault at Lonsdale.
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

Today I went on my first ride on the new Seaford line to the city and return .

The line to had its few wiggles in places but not as bad as some have said on here  .

It was interesting to see wooden sleepers in place for few hundred metres were there was no points  . ( South of Oakland station ) . Ran out of money ?

I will use the train more often now instead of the car when going into the city for the footy , cricket , etc .

So public transport is the winner .

I am one who would never catch a bus into the city for a number of reasons . My five minute bus ride today was enough . I think someone has stolen the shockers absorber's from that bus.

I hope that the line can find its way to Aldinga into the future and the rest of the metro network can go electric .

I dare say its all about who wins the up and coming election .
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
I am one who would never catch a bus into the city for a number of reasons . My five minute bus ride today was enough . I think someone has stolen the shockers absorber's from that bus.
BIG-BEAR

Having gone without the train for a year, bus riding was an unfortunate necessity and I think your five minute ride would have shown you what it was like for the majority of bus victims (passengers) who have to put up with rides much longer. They seem to jar and bounce you in all six directions simultaneously so that when you alight you feel so much like having been in the ring with Mike Tyson you check to make sure your ears are still there.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It was interesting to see wooden sleepers in place for few hundred metres were there was no points  . ( South of Oakland station ) . Ran out of money ?
"BIG-BEAR"
That section was left out of the first Noarlunga line closure works (in 2010 or 2011 I think?) because it was assumed that the line would soon be sunk or bridged where it currently crosses Morphett/Diagonal Roads at grade, and that therefore the area where the track would be replaced by the approach ramps was left as is pending that over/underpass work.

It was then not done during the 2013 closure for the same reason.

The wooden sleepers will probably still be there in 10 years for the same reason.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Plenty of wooden sleepers left on the Outer Harbour line in places as well, not to mention the whole of the Grange line nearly!
  yoyoman Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hearing reports of no electrics are being run today due to no power on the overhead wires I don't know for what reason though.
Milkomeda

That would explain the single car railcar this morning on the 7.01 from Noarlunga Centre that was packed like sardines from Hallett Cove.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
That would explain the single car railcar this morning on the 7.01 from Noarlunga Centre that was packed like sardines from Hallett Cove.
yoyoman

4005 worked the 1500 and 1718 (photo below at Leader St) from ARS and 4003 the 1630.  I think 4003 must have been stabled in the city as I didn't see go in at the expected time.

Alex C

  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
http://dpti.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/125828/OSullivan_Beach_rail_cutting_consultation_letter_to_businesses.pdf

Letter announcing remedial work on O'Sullivan Beach Road cutting starting tomorrow for about a month.  The scouring has been very evident recently.

Alex C
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

http://dpti.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/125828/OSullivan_Beach_rail_cutting_consultation_letter_to_businesses.pdf

Letter announcing remedial work on O'Sullivan Beach Road cutting starting tomorrow for about a month. The scouring has been very evident recently.

Alex C
62430

Does this means trains will be suspended?

Now they have overhead wires that might be easier.

BTW, have you heard anything about a shut at/near Easter for the Tonsley Junction?

Ian
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Nothing on the Adelaide Metro website about any changes to services, so it must be just four hours of work each night.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Does this means trains will be suspended?

Now they have overhead wires that might be easier.

BTW, have you heard anything about a shut at/near Easter for the Tonsley Junction?

Ian
steam4ian

I haven't heard or seen anything about the Tonsley Jn work. That was the main reason I was looking on the DPTI website when I came acroos the cutting work.

Alex C
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
I haven't heard or seen anything about the Tonsley Jn work. That was the main reason I was looking on the DPTI website when I came acroos the cutting work.

Alex C
62430

Nice as it would be to see Tonsley Junction finished, we should bear in mind that even if the works were completed this weekend, there isn't enough rolling stock available in the short term to restore the service to Tonsley.  

Returning trains to Tonsley depends on delivery of more new EMUs, training enough drivers to run most Seaford line services with sparks and ideally cascading a few of the DEMUs to other lines to eliminate the single car workings being used in the peaks.

Given the glacial speed of delivery from Bombardier, it's hard to predict when there will be enough trains available to re-start Tonsley, even when the junction is finished.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
If they have half a dozen 4000's now then surely they can cascade 3000's into providing Tonsley services?
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
If they have half a dozen 4000's now then surely they can cascade 3000's into providing Tonsley services?
don_dunstan

There are five in service. 4001 is not in service and 4006 has just come into service now.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If they have half a dozen 4000's now then surely they can cascade 3000's into providing Tonsley services?
"don_dunstan"
There are by my count five A-City units in service now. Two of those were needed to extend the December-February timetable from Noarlunga to Seaford, while the next three would have allowed 3x two-car DEMU consists to be cascaded.

However, the question is actually about what would be the best use of the cascaded DEMUs - providing relief to the other overcrowded lines* they were borrowed from to make the Noarlunga high-frequency service, or saving a handful of Tonsley line users a couple of minutes compared to the existing minibus.

* apparently some of the suffering is due to one or two Jumbo consists being out of action with long-term failures that could spell retirement rather than repairs. With five EMUs now in service this is the sort of point where bent Jumbos can start to be stored rather than immediately repaired at great expense.
  yoyoman Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
Earlier this week, Monday and Tuesday, there were trains with mechanical problems.  I was on the 7.01am from Noarlunga both days, Mondays issue was with this train (but we kept stopping at scheduled stops anyway arriving 16 minutes late into ARS), Tuesdays was with the train ahead as reported by the driver meaning we did a stop at all stations to pick up 'stranded' passengers (9 minutes late into ARS for a total of 25 minutes late over these 2 days), however it is quite annoying to be on DEMU trains with 2 cars that almost every day are quite full (and run approx 5 minutes late - oh I forgot that means they are still on-time according to DPTI) when in the opposing direction are 3 car EMU's (obviously) passing with barely a dozen people on board (and on Monday/Tuesday people at stations were not even boarding because the railcars were full standing and they didn't want to rub up against fellow passengers).

I understand a 'run-in/reliability' (what ever you want to call it) period my be in effect however surely it is about the time to start increasing the rostering of the EMU's in regular peak period services carrying the majority of passengers where the majority of passengers can actually use what they have effectively paid for via their taxes/fares etc and actually start to arrive at ARS on-time regularly.

Unless there are still reliability issues I haven't heard or read about as yet??
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
what happened to the Brighton services in the timetable?
what would make the Seaford timetable better when the tonsley line opens is for trains to run a tonsley service stopping all stations every fifteen minutes along with alternating Brighton services running express to woodlands park after stopping at Goodwood and then stopping all stations to Brighton and Seaford services that run limited stops (Goodwood, woodlands park and Oakland's) to Brighton and then all stations to Seaford every 7 minutes. at night and on weekends services should run all stations every thirty minutes.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Can anyone confirm that this morning's delays on the Seaford line were due to overnight copper theft from the signalling system?

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