Former SCT G class locomotives

 
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
G521 and G532 on Broad Guage, as well as G533 and G535 on Standard Guage are the former SCT locomotives still running around in the SCT livery (albeit without the SCT branding). I was under the impression they were owned by the AWB and leased to El Zorro for use on their grain trains in Victoria. Now that El Zorro has gone the way of the dodo, what will be happening to these locomotives?

I am aware PN have been using them, but surely with more of their own G class locomotives being brought back to Victoria, they aren't really going to require them for much longer, who will be using them? Will the AWB lease them out? Will they sell them? Or will PN continue to use them?

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  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
AWB (or whatever name they call themselves this week) own the train, PN is the operator, and would charge to use their loco's much cheaper for owner (AWB etal) to source their own loco's.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
G532 has recently been sighted on Broad Gauge working for Qube, fueling speculation that Qube are taking over the AWB contract and/or set to purchase the G's from AWB.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
It would seem that Qube is expanding it's Victorian opperations. It sure would be good to have another grain operator in the state. PN having a monopoly isn't the best outcome for anyone.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
It would seem that Qube is expanding it's Victorian opperations. It sure would be good to have another grain operator in the state. PN having a monopoly isn't the best outcome for anyone.
Gman_86

Qube already operate standard gauge trains on behalf of Emerald (?) in Victoria. I understand there's a rake running between Geelong and western Victorian silos using a pair of GL Class.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Some of the former SCT G's would be handy for said operator to use on Adelaide-Melbourne trains (as bankers between Tailem Bend-Adelaide), as SCT seem to go close to overloading their Perth-bound services from Melbourne, especially 5MP9 (departs Melbourne Thursday nights).

Only 2 days ago, 5MP9 was hauled by 2 SCT's & a CSR, with loading that made the train around 1,700m long & over the maximum 4,500 tonnes allowed for 3 locos). This train ended up stalling between Petwood & Callington (SA), had to be pushed to Ambleside, with 2 CSR's dispatched from Penfield to rescue the train. Ended up being about 6 hours late. Probably not the first time an SCT service has failed.
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Probably not the first time an SCT service has failed.



They fail with alarming regularity mainly because they run over the load limit.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Some of the former SCT G's would be handy for said operator to use on Adelaide-Melbourne trains (as bankers between Tailem Bend-Adelaide), as SCT seem to go close to overloading their Perth-bound services from Melbourne, especially 5MP9 (departs Melbourne Thursday nights).

Only 2 days ago, 5MP9 was hauled by 2 SCT's & a CSR, with loading that made the train around 1,700m long & over the maximum 4,500 tonnes allowed for 3 locos). This train ended up stalling between Petwood & Callington (SA), had to be pushed to Ambleside, with 2 CSR's dispatched from Penfield to rescue the train. Ended up being about 6 hours late. Probably not the first time an SCT service has failed.
greasyrhys

This train did not fail because it was over the load.

Edit: Care to provide the evidence that the train in question was also over the load? Or is entire post just made up lies? I guess the locos that SCT send out for banking duties are invisible as well then.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
This train did not fail because it was over the load.

Edit: Care to provide the evidence that the train in question was also over the load? Or is entire post just made up lies? I guess the locos that SCT send out for banking duties are invisible as well then.
seb2351

That's what I was wondering too - I'm sure part of the responsibility would lie with train control for reviewing the consist, motive power and letting it go if it was over the load for that section of track... I'd put it down to pure gunzel foam.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
While I agree there is a good chance it wouldn't be aloud to leave the siding if it was over the limit, there is no doubt that SCT's PM/MP trains are getting bigger and heavier (a good thing, no arguments here), so how much longer is it until SCT start having to run more trains?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
G532 has recently been sighted on Broad Gauge working for Qube, fueling speculation that Qube are taking over the AWB contract and/or set to purchase the G's from AWB.
Raichase


AWB sold the 4 x G Class to the Commonwealth Bank.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
While I agree there is a good chance it wouldn't be aloud to leave the siding if it was over the limit, there is no doubt that SCT's PM/MP trains are getting bigger and heavier (a good thing, no arguments here), so how much longer is it until SCT start having to run more trains?
"Gman_86"

As an interesting side note, I was heading north up the Nexy* early this arvo and noticed a health quantity of SCT Hi-Cube** wagons on the back of an Aurizon service from Perth, being dropped off in the loop line of the Bolivar Loop (At the North West end of SCT's Penfield depot)
So, SCT are currently putting their "extra" loading on other operators trains as their own appear to be operating at the maxium.

* Nexy = Adelaide's Northern Expressway, crosses the DIRN just north west of SCT's loco and freight depot at Penfield (Good views of the loco depot!)
** Hi-cube is a high roof version of the usual trade mark SCT white vans that they use in Double Stack territory (West of Adelaide & Parkes )
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
To give SCT a lot of credit they have consistently used other operators to convey excess loading off their own services for many years as a precursor to the next step of adding an additional service when traffic reaches a certain threshold.

They are attaching vans to Aurizion services between Melbourne and Brisbane to service Heinz.  It was about 4 vans twice a week, its now roughly 15 vans sometimes daily.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I have seen it as high as 17 on the Brisbane services. SCT are a quality outfit.

Where are they getting their rolling stock from? I also wonder what will happen if they need to place further loading on the Melbourne to Perth Services? Would this mean a new service?
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
As an interesting side note, I was heading north up the Nexy* early this arvo and noticed a health quantity of SCT Hi-Cube** wagons on the back of an Aurizon service from Perth, being dropped off in the loop line of the Bolivar Loop (At the North West end of SCT's Penfield depot)
So, SCT are currently putting their "extra" loading on other operators trains as their own appear to be operating at the maxium.

* Nexy = Adelaide's Northern Expressway, crosses the DIRN just north west of SCT's loco and freight depot at Penfield (Good views of the loco depot!)
** Hi-cube is a high roof version of the usual trade mark SCT white vans that they use in Double Stack territory (West of Adelaide & Parkes )
Pressman

This loading was on Aurizons train as it had been left at Kalgoolrie for an unspecified reason, it was not planned for this to occur Smile

EDIT: I will add that SCT would appear to be at the threshold of running more trains, rather then trimming them back, like leaving rake upon of rake of idle wagons across Australia as the apparent business plan of another well known operator
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I have seen it as high as 17 on the Brisbane services. SCT are a quality outfit.

Where are they getting their rolling stock from? I also wonder what will happen if they need to place further leading on the Melbourne to Perth Services? Would this mean a new service?
bevans

Buying from CNR (So, China North Railways, sister to CSR). Got a whole stack of new wagons on the new service from Penfield to Port Flat/Pelican Point in addition to the 5 packs which have gone onto intermodal services.

I would expect to see more wagons/trains from SCT in the near future.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Buying from CNR (So, China North Railways, sister to CSR). Got a whole stack of new wagons on the new service from Penfield to Port Flat/Pelican Point in addition to the 5 packs which have gone onto intermodal services.

I would expect to see more wagons/trains from SCT in the near future.
seb2351


So are they buying more VANS or are they buying 5 packs?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
This loading was on Aurizons train as it had been left at Kalgoolrie for an unspecified reason, it was not planned for this to occur Smile
seb2351

I think the reason as posted on Facebook was quite specific Razz
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
So are they buying more VANS or are they buying 5 packs?
bevans

The new wagons are 60' PQKY and 5 pack PQQY container wagons.

Got a whole stack of new wagons on the new service from Penfield to Port Flat/Pelican Point in addition to the 5 packs which have gone onto intermodal services.
seb2351


I had not heard or this service do you have any more info? What days? What type of loading? What locos are used?

Matt
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I think the reason as posted on Facebook was quite specific Razz
bingley hall

Indeed it was Razz
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The new wagons are 60' PQKY and 5 pack PQQY container wagons.



I had not heard or this service do you have any more info? What days? What type of loading? What locos are used?

Matt
K-Class

Shuttle service between Penfield and Pelican Point. Gradually building up, don;t think there's a regular schedule yet. Mainly export wine. CSR or SCT depending on what's available.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Shuttle service between Penfield and Pelican Point. Gradually building up, don;t think there's a regular schedule yet. Mainly export wine. CSR or SCT depending on what's available.
bingley hall


thks bingley.  is this service now running or still planning or trial?
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Shuttle service between Penfield and Pelican Point. Gradually building up, don;t think there's a regular schedule yet. Mainly export wine. CSR or SCT depending on what's available.
bingley hall

Thanks Bingley Hall,

Great to see SCT expanding into the export container business aswell as the domestic market they mainly focus on.
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia

EDIT: I will add that SCT would appear to be at the threshold of running more trains, rather then trimming them back, like leaving rake upon of rake of idle wagons across Australia as the apparent business plan of another well known operator
seb2351

Was there a discussion I missed about this ? Wouldnt be an operator starting with A?

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