The future of Dorrigo?

 
Topic moved from New South Wales by dthead on 30 Jan 2014 23:12
  tezza Chief Commissioner

It is far far better to portray the appearance of someone who may have "issues " as you call them than to be a complete and utter loyal twat and not being able to do anything about that all.

Members have moved on , which is why the Dorrigo line is still closed after 28 years

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
likewise the idiot element are using news from the newsletters to 'dob us in' to government departments, in a futile effort to retard our progress."
Yawn

It would be interesting to know, "What progress?" if the efforts of the so-called "idiot fringe" have been futile, it follows logically that progress has been made. Why not tell us what this progress is?
  fred59 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Boonah
It would be interesting to know, "What progress?" if the efforts of the so-called "idiot fringe" have been futile, it follows logically that progress has been made. Why not tell us what this progress is?
Valvegear

why dont you pay your $50.00 and become a member and then you will find out
  tezza Chief Commissioner

We might put Valvegear on the mailing list that has been operating for the last 25 years, one member pays the yearly membership fee and 1000 people recieve a scanned emailed copy of the Dorrigo Newsletter. Keeps $50 000 a year out of Jonesy's pocket.
  ivahri Train Controller

why dont you pay your $50.00 and become a member and then you will find out
fred59


I'm sorry, but I am staggered that anyone would write such a thing. [EDIT] offensive statement removed[/EDIT] Fred59 I read a comment like yours as a deliberate intent to defraud because once the money is handed over there is no mechanism to seek a refund.

Cheers


Richard
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
why dont you pay your $50.00 and become a member and then you will find out
fred59

What do I get for my $50.00 ?
  BrianBS Locomotive Driver

.......................Personally I think this organisation has crossed the Bridge at Remagen, and, as all war movie fans know, the name of the movie was a Bridge Too Far...................................
Yawn

Hmm! as all war movie fans know .... the bridge at Remagen and the bridge referred to as 'a bridge too far' are two totally different bridges.

The Remagen bridge, the 'Luddendorf Bridge', across the Rhine was found to still be intact when the Allies arrived; they expected it to be demolished when they arrived.

The 'bridge too far' was the bridge at Arnhem in The Netherlands, which was the last bridge to be captured (in this case 'attempted' to be captured) as part of 'Operation Market Garden'.

Two totally different bridges.

As for your comment ...this organisation has crossed the bridge at Remagen ...  should actually be referring to 'crossing the Rubicon' - see; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubicon

The idiom "Crossing the Rubicon" means to pass a point of no return, and refers to Julius Caesar's army's crossing of the river in 49 BC, which was considered an act of insurrection.
  fred59 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Boonah
I'm sorry, but I am staggered that anyone would write such a thing. That is how many criminal scammers work. If any company or body is seeking public support they have an obligation to answer the question BEFORE the person parts with their cash. Fred59 I read a comment like yours as a deliberate intent to defraud because once the money is handed over there is no mechanism to seek a refund.

Cheers


Richard
"ivahri"


Richard making comments that "Fred59 I read a comment like yours as a deliberate intent to defraud because once the money is handed over there is no mechanism to seek a refund." Is not only very serious actuation to make, but  I would ask that you with draw it , and it sounds like you trying start flaming war in this thread, which I'm going to put a stop to right now. I have report you to the admin

Fred59
  ivahri Train Controller

Richard making comments that "Fred59 I read a comment like yours as a deliberate intent to defraud because once the money is handed over there is no mechanism to seek a refund." Is not only very serious actuation to make, but I would ask that you with draw it , and it sounds like you trying start flaming war in this thread, which I'm going to put a stop to right now. I have report you to the admin

Fred59
fred59

Fred59,

If your comment was intended in jest I sincerely apologise, I was merely pointing out how irresponsible it is to suggest people hand over their hard earned without knowing what the money is to be used for- in fact it might be criminal. I stand by that.

As I've pointed out to the Admin I had no way to read jest or sarcasm into your message... maybe your post should be reported for being provocative in the first place? Nah, I have better things to do than that...

Cheers

Richard
  fred59 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Boonah
Fred59,

If your comment was intended in jest I sincerely apologise, I was merely pointing out how irresponsible it is to suggest people hand over their hard earned without knowing what the money is to be used for- in fact it might be criminal. I stand by that.

As I've pointed out to the Admin I had no way to read jest or sarcasm into your message... maybe your post should be reported for being provocative in the first place? Nah, I have better things to do than that...

Cheers

Richard
ivahri

thank you richard I accept your apology

yes my post was intended in jest

fred59
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
What do I get for my $50.00 ?
Valvegear

Nothing, apparently.
  boromisa Junior Train Controller

I have just received a newsletter from this Museum which states: "all of our critics on the idiot railfan internet chat pages, get copies of our newsletters from someone. likewise the idiot element are using news from the newsletters to 'dob us in' to government departments, in a futile effort to retard our progress."

Yawn


Hahahahahaha what progress?
  allambee Chief Train Controller

I wonder if the museum might be inadvertly caught up by the new hoarders yard laws?
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/new-laws-to-clean-up-hoarding-as-cleaners-continue-clearing-rubbish-from-the-bobolas-family-home-in-bondi/story-fni0cx12-1226883025826

Port Stephens mayor Bruce MacKenzie said that his council had experienced both residential and rural properties collecting junk.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I suspect that the future of Dorrigo is a very large collection or Ferroso-Ferric Oxide. . . . otherwise known as rust.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Don't Pacific National have a heap of 48s at Werris Creek. Dorrigo only have one 48, bought for $10,000. Pacific National might try to persuade him that they are a "must have" and do a deal-job lot for half a million. Watch this space.
OldSteamer

I thought they got cut up?
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

The difference with Dorrigo (not that we are making any comparisons here) is that the units in and around the roundhouse appear to be in good condition.
A perfect example for keeping them undercover as seen by the condition of the locos left outside.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I don't want to sound critical or bag anyone; I just want to be pragmatic and keep my feet on the ground.

But could I pose this question- if a group were to collapse financially what contingency plans might be in place to rescue rolling stock from the scrap metal merchants?

At a liquidator's auction the highest bidder wins. If scrap metal merchants turn out to be the highest bidder(s), they get the goods. Liquidators don't care who they sell stuff to. They are duty bound to achieve the highest return for the benefit of creditors in a liquidation.

I personally don't care if a certain person wants to describe bloggers as "idiot railfan internet chat pages."

If his group collapses, "idiot railfan chat" types might be the ones to rescue stuff from the wreckers.

Remember- they are not making any more steam locos. Once gone they're gone!

The gentleman concerned is calling for donations to pay for a rates bill of $8023 from Bellingen Shire Council. If unpaid that becomes a charge upon the land, which I understand, is held upon different title to the museum's stock.

The gentleman concerned entered into a contract to purchase 7 locomotives, paid a deposit of $90,000 and the first instalment of $54,000. There are 9 annual instalments of $54,000 remaining. He states that he is a long way behind fund raising to meet the second payment due 19 Feb 2015.

If any instalment is unpaid, the vendor might consider winding up the museum company.

A lot of unsecured creditors (ie lenders to the museum may get burnt), but they should have gone into this with their eyes open.

But of greater concern would be if a liquidator were to auction off all the rolling stock. Who in the preservation world would bid and save this stuff? I look at my bank account post Christmas and to be honest, I am lucky to have Santa put a few G gauge things into my stocking, and that is as far as Santa's budget went. It takes real money to bid on vintage locos and then pay to transport them to wherever.

This gentleman has put a lot of effort into his museum, but effort alone will not save the day from a bad financial decision. There is a T shirt doing the rounds amongst the young - which states "clearly I have made some bad decisions." In the case of certain young people, you might be inclined to totally agree, but in the case of this group it would be sad if one person has led them down the path to ruin and destruction.
"Konstantin VladimirovichB"


It is obvious that some time in the not too distant future most of the exhibits at this place will be scrapped. In the high rainfall conditions of that place most are already returning to the earth as iron oxide. The leader will no doubt come up with the funds from some of the faithful this time but surely even the most faithful become disillusioned, or perhaps just die off due to old age.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Do you remember long serving Dorrigo member Geoff Brycesson Aussie Loco?
I dont think you do, otherwise you would recall that Keith Jones bullied him into leaving the museum in poverty and  Geoff's ultimate suicide because of this.
Keith can collect all the old trains he likes, it doesnt change the type of person he is.
"tezza"

I remember a bloke who knew Geoff Brycesson telling me about that. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I'm not about to take a position either way here, as I lack enough information to do so. Late last year I visited the Dorrigo area for the first time, so took the opportunity to take a drive past the site. I came away feeling pretty depressed about what I saw. I wonder how the members feel?
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

"Bellingen Shire Council has issued the Museum's rate notice for the 2014/2015 year. In total our Museum has to pay $8023 this time around...these annual rates are a crippling burden on our Museum. We have frequently requested some relief from the Council ... but they always refuse... this attitude to our Museum is a 'hangover' from the days when the Mayor of Bellingen Council, was a foundation Board Member of "The Friends" group. The burden of high rates was imposed on our Museum as part of "The Friends" campaign to send our Museum bankrupt, so that we didn't have the finances to defend their illegitimate Court case against us.  ... the only way we are going to end this farce is to take Bellingen Shire Council to Court, or for this Council to be amalgamated with an adjoining Council, that wants the Museum to open and provide the promised 80 jobs for the area. does anyone want to donate $8023 to pay the rates?"

of course, you could always look at it another way. the Council probably thinks that they have had enough time to open as a commercial proposition and should pay rates on a commercial basis. the Council would not be unaware of this latest venture into expending $630,000 on 7 old locomotives, with a time payment scheme extending over 10 years (effectively ensuring that any alleged 'opening" will not occur for another decade) .

The writer of that piece emphasises that the Museum is a registered charity. That is how most of their "income" is achieved it would appear- by enabling tax write offs.

Their balance sheet discloses no other source of operational income, such as gate takings etc.

"Income for 2013/2014:
Members Fees $7772
Donations $168,963
Interest $32
Sundry income and rent $2800
Total $179,567"

If anyone is interested in any other aspect of their last balance sheet "non current assets- plant and equipment- were valued at $1,898,590."
"Yawn"


I was up at Dorrigo over 20 years ago . The only thing that has change since then is the collection has just got bigger .

If the ( museum ????? ) wants income .

Perhaps the focus should of been running trains many years ago . Instead of buying just about every train lying around .

And good on the council for wanting there council rates . A life lesson YAWN . Pay your bills first before spending it on more trains which are just going to rust in a different location ..
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Simple way of paying the rates: Start selling the collection to raise funds.
Any loco you have more than one of, sell it at a reasonable price, and you may get a bite out of it.

Perhaps the 10 class to the Hunter Valley mob, at the same price they paid, less delivery.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Simple way of paying the rates: Start selling the collection to raise funds.
Any loco you have more than one of, sell it at a reasonable price, and you may get a bite out of it.

Perhaps the 10 class to the Hunter Valley mob, at the same price they paid, less delivery.
"Barrington Womble"


Yawn is implying the council has hit the museum with unreasonable rate. That is a load of bollocks as councils cannot impose what rates they feel like as they are set by the state government from time to time.  I am also not sure that the museum could be a charity under the relevant act as it must carry on some activity of benefit to the community.
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Yawn is implying the council has hit the museum with unreasonable rate. That is a load of bollocks as councils cannot impose what rates they feel like as they are set by the state government from time to time.  I am also not sure that the museum could be a charity under the relevant act as it must carry on some activity of benefit to the community.
"nswtrains"



The figure quoted maybe not be an "unreasonable rate" it may actually be the total of several years of unpaid rates to the LGA.

Regards,

Catchpoint
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

http://www.dsrm.org.au/

To Yawn ,

If you spend time on the Dorrigo website  and look under all the headings you will find out info .

In the Archive section .

Back in 2004 . Dorrigo got a grant of $ 320,000 . This grant was for the museum to open to the public . 10 years on still not open .

The council did want things done . Build public toilets etc . To make it safe and visitor friendly .

So what has happened to that grant money ?

All you can do is go through the archive section and keep seeing more trains being bought .

3 diesel loco's not long after the grant for $ 225 ,000 .

Early posted in this thread a $ 830 , 000  grant was giving back in 1986 to run trains and open to the public .

The years of past history of Dorrigo will mean it will be the same into the future . No trains running and not open to the general public

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