Members have moved on , which is why the Dorrigo line is still closed after 28 years
likewise the idiot element are using news from the newsletters to 'dob us in' to government departments, in a futile effort to retard our progress."
why dont you pay your $50.00 and become a member and then you will find out
.......................Personally I think this organisation has crossed the Bridge at Remagen, and, as all war movie fans know, the name of the movie was a Bridge Too Far...................................
I'm sorry, but I am staggered that anyone would write such a thing. That is how many criminal scammers work. If any company or body is seeking public support they have an obligation to answer the question BEFORE the person parts with their cash. Fred59 I read a comment like yours as a deliberate intent to defraud because once the money is handed over there is no mechanism to seek a refund.
Richard making comments that "Fred59 I read a comment like yours as a deliberate intent to defraud because once the money is handed over there is no mechanism to seek a refund." Is not only very serious actuation to make, but I would ask that you with draw it , and it sounds like you trying start flaming war in this thread, which I'm going to put a stop to right now. I have report you to the admin
If your comment was intended in jest I sincerely apologise, I was merely pointing out how irresponsible it is to suggest people hand over their hard earned without knowing what the money is to be used for- in fact it might be criminal. I stand by that.
As I've pointed out to the Admin I had no way to read jest or sarcasm into your message... maybe your post should be reported for being provocative in the first place? Nah, I have better things to do than that...
I have just received a newsletter from this Museum which states: "all of our critics on the idiot railfan internet chat pages, get copies of our newsletters from someone. likewise the idiot element are using news from the newsletters to 'dob us in' to government departments, in a futile effort to retard our progress."
Port Stephens mayor Bruce MacKenzie said that his council had experienced both residential and rural properties collecting junk.
I don't want to sound critical or bag anyone; I just want to be pragmatic and keep my feet on the ground.
But could I pose this question- if a group were to collapse financially what contingency plans might be in place to rescue rolling stock from the scrap metal merchants?
At a liquidator's auction the highest bidder wins. If scrap metal merchants turn out to be the highest bidder(s), they get the goods. Liquidators don't care who they sell stuff to. They are duty bound to achieve the highest return for the benefit of creditors in a liquidation.
I personally don't care if a certain person wants to describe bloggers as "idiot railfan internet chat pages."
If his group collapses, "idiot railfan chat" types might be the ones to rescue stuff from the wreckers.
Remember- they are not making any more steam locos. Once gone they're gone!
The gentleman concerned is calling for donations to pay for a rates bill of $8023 from Bellingen Shire Council. If unpaid that becomes a charge upon the land, which I understand, is held upon different title to the museum's stock.
The gentleman concerned entered into a contract to purchase 7 locomotives, paid a deposit of $90,000 and the first instalment of $54,000. There are 9 annual instalments of $54,000 remaining. He states that he is a long way behind fund raising to meet the second payment due 19 Feb 2015.
If any instalment is unpaid, the vendor might consider winding up the museum company.
A lot of unsecured creditors (ie lenders to the museum may get burnt), but they should have gone into this with their eyes open.
But of greater concern would be if a liquidator were to auction off all the rolling stock. Who in the preservation world would bid and save this stuff? I look at my bank account post Christmas and to be honest, I am lucky to have Santa put a few G gauge things into my stocking, and that is as far as Santa's budget went. It takes real money to bid on vintage locos and then pay to transport them to wherever.
This gentleman has put a lot of effort into his museum, but effort alone will not save the day from a bad financial decision. There is a T shirt doing the rounds amongst the young - which states "clearly I have made some bad decisions." In the case of certain young people, you might be inclined to totally agree, but in the case of this group it would be sad if one person has led them down the path to ruin and destruction.
Do you remember long serving Dorrigo member Geoff Brycesson Aussie Loco?
I dont think you do, otherwise you would recall that Keith Jones bullied him into leaving the museum in poverty and Geoff's ultimate suicide because of this.
Keith can collect all the old trains he likes, it doesnt change the type of person he is.
"Bellingen Shire Council has issued the Museum's rate notice for the 2014/2015 year. In total our Museum has to pay $8023 this time around...these annual rates are a crippling burden on our Museum. We have frequently requested some relief from the Council ... but they always refuse... this attitude to our Museum is a 'hangover' from the days when the Mayor of Bellingen Council, was a foundation Board Member of "The Friends" group. The burden of high rates was imposed on our Museum as part of "The Friends" campaign to send our Museum bankrupt, so that we didn't have the finances to defend their illegitimate Court case against us. ... the only way we are going to end this farce is to take Bellingen Shire Council to Court, or for this Council to be amalgamated with an adjoining Council, that wants the Museum to open and provide the promised 80 jobs for the area. does anyone want to donate $8023 to pay the rates?"
of course, you could always look at it another way. the Council probably thinks that they have had enough time to open as a commercial proposition and should pay rates on a commercial basis. the Council would not be unaware of this latest venture into expending $630,000 on 7 old locomotives, with a time payment scheme extending over 10 years (effectively ensuring that any alleged 'opening" will not occur for another decade) .
The writer of that piece emphasises that the Museum is a registered charity. That is how most of their "income" is achieved it would appear- by enabling tax write offs.
Their balance sheet discloses no other source of operational income, such as gate takings etc.
"Income for 2013/2014:
Members Fees $7772
Sundry income and rent $2800
If anyone is interested in any other aspect of their last balance sheet "non current assets- plant and equipment- were valued at $1,898,590."
Simple way of paying the rates: Start selling the collection to raise funds.
Any loco you have more than one of, sell it at a reasonable price, and you may get a bite out of it.
Perhaps the 10 class to the Hunter Valley mob, at the same price they paid, less delivery.
Yawn is implying the council has hit the museum with unreasonable rate. That is a load of bollocks as councils cannot impose what rates they feel like as they are set by the state government from time to time. I am also not sure that the museum could be a charity under the relevant act as it must carry on some activity of benefit to the community.