Barossa Wine Train route condition

 
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
this is totally awesome.

I would love to see a daily return train from Adelaide to Nuriootpa!

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  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Now guys don't go jumping the gun here, a test run might just be to prove operational status to a prospective buyer.
Pressman


that would be a shame.  it would be great to see a daily back to the valley!
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
where did this information come from?

did it come from a regional rail nut who lives in... let me see, Redhill or did it come from a volunteer at the NRM?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Wouldn't the bigger issue with resuming trains to the Barossa be upgrading the line to the standard needed to regain accreditation for passenger use?

I'm going with it being a test to check whether they'll need a tow to get relocated.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Get used to reading bad news Heath.
  BIG-BEAR Chief Train Controller

It would be good to see them running again . Time will tell .

There could be more business options for them now on the Barossa line .

One as the Barossa Wine train and the other as the Barossa Footy express .

Maybe Barossa Cricket express as well ?
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
All pigs washed and...


  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
pppssstttt.....test runs are now at 1.00pm Tuesday 15th April at NRM.....Shocked
Top Cat


i do hope we see the old girl back on the rails again and heading to the barossa.
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
apparently the owner would like to see this train run again!
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
apparently the owner would like to see this train run again!
Heath Loxton


what is stopping this from happening?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Regulations longer than your arm and a track that is carp.

Who would want to travel at 20 kph from Gawler Central to Tanunda?

It would add a bit of class to Steam Ranger.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
what is stopping this from happening?
JimYarin

The owners inability to understand that rules regarding accreditation apply to everyone on the rail network perhaps?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
what is stopping this from happening?
"JimYarin"

Pretty much the same things that have been stoping it from happening all along!

(If you check back through the threads in the SA Forum you'll find a lengthy thread on the Barossa Wine Train)
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Hi,
I spoke to Steve moritz on the dog and bone and we come up with an alternative theory:

A) maybe john Geber has been in discussion with the state government and GWA and he could of been granted some access to the Barossa line, coinciding with the voluntary administration of the Osborne soda plant and potential end to the stone train along with the mid north lines that will be handed back to the state government on the 22nd of April as per other threads and forums. if this is the case he would need to move the train to islington for works on the carriages so he is just testing to see if it can move under its own power for a cheap move cost.
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
".....country lines handed back to the State Govt...."  Who says so?
These railway lines are owned by GWA and they have an asset value of $ 00000's.
I cant see GWA "handing" anything back.....without a great deal of money changing hands or a massive "contra" deal.8)
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

Sounds like a lot of ifs, buts and........la la land Heath.
  Scooter_Guy Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA. Suburb: Redwood Park
Hi,
I spoke to Steve moritz on the dog and bone and we come up with an alternative theory:

A) maybe john Geber has been in discussion with the state government and GWA and he could of been granted some access to the Barossa line, coinciding with the voluntary administration of the Osborne soda plant and potential end to the stone train along with the mid north lines that will be handed back to the state government on the 22nd of April as per other threads and forums. if this is the case he would need to move the train to islington for works on the carriages so he is just testing to see if it can move under its own power for a cheap move cost.
Heath Loxton

Will the broad gauge stonie locos be converted back to standard gauge soon?
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Will the broad gauge stonie locos be converted back to standard gauge soon?
Scooter_Guy

If the plant eventually closes then the answer would most probably be yes, along with either converting the hoppers to SG or scrapping them.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to sit in railcars doing 20Kmh when you take a bus or drive there by car in less time. The line would virtually need to be ripped up and relaid to make the track suitable for some speed to get there and back quickly. At that rate of 20Kmh you would spend about 10 minutes actually there and the rest of the time travelling, no one would want to do this though. And once you get to Nuriootpa what then you are stuck there, so to speak there is more to the Barossa Valley than being left stranded in Nuriootpa though.
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
SA,
how do you know that the line speed is 20 kph?

i have seen the stonie moving at more like 60 through the barossa, not like a sick old snail!
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Regulations longer than your arm and a track that is carp.

Who would want to travel at 20 kph from Gawler Central to Tanunda?

It would add a bit of class to Steam Ranger.
steam4ian

I never said it,I quoted it from this post Heath. Even 60Kmh is not exactly fast is it. That is only 37.28 Mph hardly fast in most peoples minds! Just because the stone train can run at the audacious speed of 60Kph in places does not mean a passenger train can do the same. You do not want to spill wine over everyone though. The track at the moment is fit for purpose that is moving stone in hoppers, it might not be fit for passenger train use though. Pieces of stone don't complain about the slowness like passengers would!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
SA,
how do you know that the line speed is 20 kph?

i have seen the stonie moving at more like 60 through the barossa, not like a sick old snail!
"Heath Loxton"


60 maybe the posted track speed, but those lovely daffodills(TSR's ) are all over the place.
Beside that Heath, you can drive (legally) at 90kph for most of the trip from Gawler to Nuriootpa, just a tad faster then any train.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Hi,
I spoke to Steve moritz on the dog and bone and we come up with an alternative theory:

A) maybe john Geber has been in discussion with the state government and GWA and he could of been granted some access to the Barossa line, coinciding with the voluntary administration of the Osborne soda plant and potential end to the stone train along with the mid north lines that will be handed back to the state government on the 22nd of April as per other threads and forums. if this is the case he would need to move the train to islington for works on the carriages so he is just testing to see if it can move under its own power for a cheap move cost.
Heath Loxton

Sounds like something that was cooked up in the Redhill Roadhouse Razz
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Bingley Hall,
i believe that a certain regional rail nut that we all know and dislike who lives in red-hill does not have anything to do with my post.

it was just Mr Steve Moritz's alternative opinion of the upcoming wine train test run either being a coincidence with the receivership of the Osborne soda plant or maybe some cooperation between GWA, the state government and the owner of the train for future passenger services.

in regards to TSR's on the line, if heavy stone hoppers can travel on that track regularly then surely a passenger train can do the same, a passenger train is not nearly as heavy as the stone train.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It not necessarily able axle loadings champ, it's about safety and what happens to pax when a railcar rolls off the perway and into a ditch, such an event does not typically hurt a hopper full of rocks. Even before it gets to that, it's the concern of food and cups of tea and glasses of wine being sloshed onto ladies in their cocktail frocks...
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Aaron,
what exactly is wrong with the perway?

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