Millswood Station re-opening 12 month trial

 
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
If the $400,000 is just for a feasibility study the real work happens before it officially starts - crafting the criteria of the study to ensure the predetermined outcome will be reached.
justapassenger

The $400K is for the 'artist's impression'

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The $400K is for the 'artist's impression'
"2001"


Even $400K may not quite cover that !
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
Maybe the 400k could be better spent upgrading Torrens Park to an acceptable standard.
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
I saw on the ARS PIS that Parafield station is to be upgraded as per the labour election promise.
maybe this means that Millswood will come soon!
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I saw on the ARS PIS that Parafield station is to be upgraded as per the labour election promise.
maybe this means that Millswood will come soon!
Heath Loxton

Heath don't go popping the champagne corks just yet.Parafield needs to be upgraded as it is an open station and is used, I think it was part done a couple of years back so this could be to finish the job off on the other platform or was that Parafield Gardens. There is a big difference to upgrading a open used station than fixing up a platform etc that has not been used at all in about 10 years or so. They will do hopefully station upgrades that stations actually need them and are open for the public to use before wasting money on opening a station even for a trial for a hand full of people. It was closed for a reason guess what it was. Lack of patronage I think you will find. If it is done up simply for a trial period then I think a bit of a stink might ensure, there are other stations that could use this money for upgrading there are several still in the stone age almost!
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Heath don't go popping the champagne corks just yet.Parafield needs to be upgraded as it is an open station and is used, I think it was part done a couple of years back so this could be to finish the job off on the other platform or was that Parafield Gardens. There is a big difference to upgrading a open used station than fixing up a platform etc that has not been used at all in about 10 years or so. They will do hopefully station upgrades that stations actually need them and are open for the public to use before wasting money on opening a station even for a trial for a hand full of people. It was closed for a reason guess what it was. Lack of patronage I think you will find. If it is done up simply for a trial period then I think a bit of a stink might ensure, there are other stations that could use this money for upgrading there are several still in the stone age almost!
David Peters


No you are right in the first instance, Parafield UP platform had been upgraded, but Parafield down platform has not been. That is the one in the process of being upgraded.

Also Nurlutta up and down platforms are receiving an upgrade with a wheel chair access hump. I'm still buggered if I know why they aren't extending the platform to fit 4 cars. Seems a bit silly to spend all this money to chuck a hump on it, when they still can't fit 4 cars! (I suppose, currently we don't operate 4 cars to Gawler on scheduled services).
  torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

I would think that if they put four car services on the Gawler line they would just express Nurlutta (Nutella lol) why is it called Nurlutta? - (yes it's off topic)
Who would really use Millswood? and why does the announcements still say change to Seaford and Tonsley services at Goodwood instead of Adelaide Showground?? Very Happy
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

I would think that if they put four car services on the Gawler line they would just express Nurlutta (Nutella lol) why is it called Nurlutta? - (yes it's off topic)
Who would really use Millswood? and why does the announcements still say change to Seaford and Tonsley services at Goodwood instead of Adelaide Showground?? Very Happy
torrens5022


Unfortunately you think wrong. When we ran 4 car services to/from Gawler, they were on the 1720 ex ARS service. On the down it skipped most stations (one of the express runs), but on the up trip it stopped all stations Gawler Central to Ovingham. So daily it would stop there. If they reintroduce 4 cars to this run when the car availability increases due to EMU's entering the system, the same problem will occur again.

This problem also exists at Gawler Oval.

As for the announcement, because Goodwood is still the 'change over' point as it is the last station before the lines diverge. It never used to mention it at Keswick either when it was in existence.
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
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Who would really use Millswood? and why does the announcements still say change to Seaford and Tonsley services at Goodwood instead of Adelaide Showground?? Very Happy
torrens5022

As I recall it, the real reason why Millswood (and Hawthorn and Clapham) closed was related to the conversion of the up track to SG in 1995.  
STA or TransAdelaide (or whoever were running the metro trains at the time) originally wanted a larger number of passing loops than were actually installed on the broad gauge, which would allow something like the previous timetable to run (i.e. as it was with double track and M+H+C stations open).  The Federal Government said "no, you can make do with 4 loops".
This situation meant running times between Goodwood and Belair had to be cut, and this was achieved by eliminating the three stations with lowest passenger numbers.  
Millswood was certainly chosen because it had relatively low patronage, but not because patronage was so negligible it wasn't worth stopping trains there.   There would be just as many potential passengers living around Millswood as there are at Unley Park, Clarence Park and any other similar station in the inner suburbs and nobody is proposing closing any of these.

Regarding announcements to "change at Goodwood for Seaford line", I imagine the target audience is passengers on city-bound Belair line trains who might want to change for Oaklands, Brighton, Noarlunga etc.  In this case, it would be more efficient for you to swap trains at Goodwood, since you might miss the next Seaford-bound train in the few minutes travelling to Showgrounds.   Plus it's a slightly easier (albeit smellier & more bike-infested) transfer down the ramps and subway at Goodwood than climbing up and over the stairs at Showgrounds.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The $400K for the feasibility study was a joke on these pages.

With consultant fees typically at $200/hour that presents 2000 hours, a bit over a person year. I wish I got fees like that!

I suggested earlier in the thread that all that was needed was a resurfacing and new lighting.

Assuming the platform is 120 metres long and 3 metres wide that's 360 square metres. At $30/sqm (Rawlinson rate) that's a paving cost of $10800.
Yellow line 120 metres at $10/m will cost $1200
Lighting, LED on column with solar power 5 units at $8000 for $40000 (these can be reused if the scheme fails)
Clean up and weeding (2 persons 3 days) at $80 per hour for $3800.
Contingency 15% $8200
Management 10% $6400

Total cost $70,600.

This would bring the station back to service to assess its usefulness.
If it generates traffic then it would need to be upgraded to DDA standard with a tactile surface and shallower access ramps and better shelter would need to be provided.

The price above does not include that for a security goon to make sure people know how to get on a train.

Ian
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
I would think that if they put four car services on the Gawler line they would just express Nurlutta (Nutella lol) why is it called Nurlutta? - (yes it's off topic)
torrens5022

Try this forum for the answer.

http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=54177

Wayne
  62440 Chief Commissioner

There is an ongoing programme of station upgrades across the network with a range of priorities.
Platforms need to be long enough, that is 6 cars on Seaford and Gawler and 4 on Outer Harbour and Belair. Stations like Oaklands have to be addressed.
Accessibility is a priority with correct ramp slopes and widths and no stairs, this is a big ticket item at some stations.
Key interchanges get the Full Monty with lifts, car parks.
There are standards for station facilities for primary and secondary platforms which are progressively rolling out.
With an ongoing programme for in the order of 100 stations, it can be speeded up or slowed down to meet budget.

Where anything changes, the new facility has to comply with standards, Millswood is a change so must meet the station standards for fencing, lining, ramps, lighting, shelters, PIDS etc before it reopens. Hence the queue jumping
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/labor-vows-to-reopen-millswood-station-after-almost-20-years-if-reelected-on-march-15/story-fnii5yv7-1226832367146
"Heath Loxton"


Quick question for you Heath ..... Why did you post a link to a story dated "February 20th 2014" ?  Yep thats 7 weeks old!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Where anything changes, the new facility has to comply with standards,
"62440"
Completely toothless.

Despite significant works during the last 18 months, Goodwood was not required to comply with anything remotely resembling accessibility standards.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Completely toothless.

Despite significant works during the last 18 months, Goodwood was not required to comply with anything remotely resembling accessibility standards.
justapassenger

There is always a list of reasons why something shouldn't be done, particularly if you don't want to.

Unfortunately in SA we are too used to putting in road blocks.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Completely toothless.

Despite significant works during the last 18 months, Goodwood was not required to comply with anything remotely resembling accessibility standards.
justapassenger

Yes but they did not actually remove or alter the old platforms and whatever was on the platforms really did they, they only took out a section of the platforms to pass the Brownhill Creek Diversion under them and then reinstated the platform section to match the rest of it. So it was not really altered in the true sense of the word so it was deemed as being as before. Sort of Grandfather rights. If they do the whole station over though then it will need to be up to current standards.

But to restore a station platform that has been out of service for over 10 years or there abouts would require it to be bought up to at least basic standards for platforms now, a lot can change in 10 years!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yes but they did not actually remove or alter the old platforms and whatever was on the platforms really did they, they only took out a section of the platforms to pass the Brownhill Creek Diversion under them and then reinstated the platform section to match the rest of it. So it was not really altered in the true sense of the word so it was deemed as being as before. Sort of Grandfather rights. If they do the whole station over though then it will need to be up to current standards.

But to restore a station platform that has been out of service for over 10 years or there abouts would require it to be bought up to at least basic standards for platforms now, a lot can change in 10 years!
David Peters

They did a bit more than that, but hey, a guess from the wrong side of town is probably not going to be close.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
They did a bit more than that, but hey, a guess from the wrong side of town is probably not going to be close.
Aaron

Like what  though, they did not rebuild all the platforms only the sections that were removed to pass the creek diversion under it. They only recently removed the shelter sheds I think that were there so basically the platforms have not had a refurbishment like a lot of stations have got done to them it was more a bit of a  slight upgrade than anything else. It could still do with a full overhaul though to bring it right up to date.

If you were not so much of a bleeding snob, yes you are, there are a lot of us from the wrong side of town as you call it. I would take offence at that comment about the wrong side of town. Plenty of famous people have come from your wrong side of town mate!
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
Like what though, they did not rebuild all the platforms only the sections that were removed to pass the creek diversion under it. They only recently removed the shelter sheds I think that were there so basically the platforms have not had a refurbishment like a lot of stations have got done to them it was more a bit of a slight upgrade than anything else. It could still do with a full overhaul though to bring it right up to date.
David Peters

Small correction, but it does make one wonder about the structural condition of the rest of the platforms. When the current Seaford Down track was boxed out for new ballast, a section of the platform collapsed into the trench and a large section of the side of platform 1 had to be rebuilt.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Ah yes I forgot about that, but you might be right about the rest of the platforms nm39.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Small correction, but it does make one wonder about the structural condition of the rest of the platforms. When the current Seaford Down track was boxed out for new ballast, a section of the platform collapsed into the trench and a large section of the side of platform 1 had to be rebuilt.
nm39

Undermining the footings would have a lot to do with the collapse.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Like what though, they did not rebuild all the platforms only the sections that were removed to pass the creek diversion under it. They only recently removed the shelter sheds I think that were there so basically the platforms have not had a refurbishment like a lot of stations have got done to them it was more a bit of a slight upgrade than anything else. It could still do with a full overhaul though to bring it right up to date.

If you were not so much of a bleeding snob, yes you are, there are a lot of us from the wrong side of town as you call it. I would take offence at that comment about the wrong side of town. Plenty of famous people have come from your wrong side of town mate!
David Peters

Wow, such vitriol, this is not some kind of reverse postcode envy here. I was dealing in fact, and the fact is, if you live down from either North Adelaide or Bowden stations, and commute as far as maybe Adelaide chances are as you demonstrated (twice now) that you're going to have little idea of the shape/look/design/feel of stations down from Mile End. This is the primary reason I seldom comment on happenings on the OH and Gawler lines, I have seen Mawson Lakes station a half a dozen times ever and St Clair only maybe four times... I live on the wrong side of town... Shocked

To illustrate the point, how many times have you been past the general Goodwood station environment in the last two years? Me? I pass it at least twice a day five days a week, many weeks it's actually 7 days a week, and many days it's three or four times a day not two. I have had well over 1000 looks at the station and the general progression of the happenings in the area, hell at one stage I lived just about across the road from SASMEE.

Ah yes I forgot about that
David Peters

You have that problem more when you try to recall events from reading than you do when you see something multiple times a day.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Aaron you only really see what you use that I will give you but when you have about a dozen people taking photos of works going like they did you get av pretty good idea of what is happening.  Not just on here but on other sites and in publications. You seem hell bent on the fact that some of us only worry about local things. I am in a position to see and know a lot of things that otherwise might not be seen actually. I get to see not in person but photo's etc of a lot more than you think actually. So trying to pull some poor B down just because you are the only expert or so you think is not the way to go. Your manner on here is too abrupt and abrasive for a lot of people, sure state that someone could be wrong but we don't want the all the trivial details of something down to the last atom almost.

What has really changed at Goodwood bar the track layout and what was on the platforms, when you get down to it not much really as the majority of the original platforms are still in the same place etc they were in 1990 or earlier. As I said apart from some sections removed and some sections replaced because they undermined the foundations the platforms for all intents and purposes have stayed the same and in the same place as well. The ramps and everything are still the same as they were back then. To be polite the whole station could do with either a complete upgrade or removal. It is not in the league of Showgrounds station is it, no where near it. It is a half hearted attempt at a station that really should have been all renewed when the trains were out of action for 12 months.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I think the topic is Millswood not Goodwood.

The issue is, Do DDA requirements apply for a temporary set up to test traffic and potential use?

I am not sure common sense would always prevail; to my mind common sense say put in the minimum for safe able bodied use, and then test the use patterns.

If the station use justifies its existence then upgrade to DDA compliance.

In my mind providing DDA access should come out of a separate cash bucket to providing basic infrastructure and services.

Back to Goodwood interchange. The basic infrastructure bucket provides tram platforms on the bridge with stairs for access from the rail platforms. The DDA bucket provides the lifts.

Ian

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