Electric Staff working between Kiama and Bomaderry to become history?

 
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Rumor has popped up on Facebook that electric staff working on the south coast line will be coming to an end very soon (within a month so the story goes).

Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

If it does turn out to be true, people better get their cameras out as the semaphore signals at Berry and Bomaderry will most likely be removed, and I'm assuming Berry signal box will close as a result as well.

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  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

Can't really find anything, that's not to say that the rumour is right or wrong.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Can't really find anything, that's not to say that the rumour is right or wrong.
Newcastle Express

https://railsafe.org.au/weekly-notices

You want week 22, and incidentally page 22
  Westby3026 Locomotive Driver

Yes the rumour is correct according to the weekly notices you have until 0200 on the 18th of June until work commences, as stated above
  UpperQuad Locomotive Fireman

Location: 184.8 miles to Sydney
Lower Quads at Bomaderry are retained.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Whats the new working for the section?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Lower Quads at Bomaderry are retained.
UpperQuad

They ARE? Admittedly, I've only seen the new signals installed at Berry, but it seems strange to not add new signals at Bomaderry as well...
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Whats the new working for the section?
Junction box

As per the WN, RVD single line Bi Directional.
  r_rogel Junior Train Controller

I think it is better to electrify the line & double track it.
  thadocta Chief Commissioner

Location: Katoomba
I think it is better to electrify the line & double track it.
r_rogel

Absolutely. And while we are at it, make sure that ALL level crossings are eliminated, with either an overpass or an underpass, making sure that there is provision for the line to be quadrupled, maybe even sextupled, at some stage in  the not too distant future. And eliminate some of those curves, making the line suitable for 160km/h running.

Oh, and while we are at it, ensure that all stations are fully staffed 24/7, with full travel centres able to sell all manner of travel product, such as airline tickets, hotel accommodation, etc.

And we need to open some stations, like Omega and Jaspers Brush, that never should have been closed in the first place. These would have full 24/7 staffing levels, as well as the aforementioned travel centre.

And all of these stations would have food courts, and..... (Should I stop now?)

Dave
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Absolutely. And while we are at it, make sure that ALL level crossings are eliminated, with either an overpass or an underpass, making sure that there is provision for the line to be quadrupled, maybe even sextupled, at some stage in the not too distant future. And eliminate some of those curves, making the line suitable for 160km/h running.

Oh, and while we are at it, ensure that all stations are fully staffed 24/7, with full travel centres able to sell all manner of travel product, such as airline tickets, hotel accommodation, etc.

And we need to open some stations, like Omega and Jaspers Brush, that never should have been closed in the first place. These would have full 24/7 staffing levels, as well as the aforementioned travel centre.

And all of these stations would have food courts, and..... (Should I stop now?)

Dave
thadocta

No please, go on. I am about to spam the Sydney forums with 20 threads on how I would run the Nowra line, and it would be correct because I know twains.

Thanks for the laugh thadoctorLaughing
  UpperQuad Locomotive Fireman

Location: 184.8 miles to Sydney
I think it is better to electrify the line & double track it.
r_rogel

Under the new arrangements the existing Up Starting semaphore signal at Bomaderry becomes the Up Home, so maybe the extension to Bega isn’t too far off?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Under the new arrangements the existing Up Starting semaphore signal at Bomaderry becomes the Up Home, so maybe the extension to Bega isn’t too far off?
UpperQuad

And the reference in WN 22 to removal of A signals at Valley Heights etc is probably prep work for the eventual closure of Springwood Box and full control from Blacktown.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Thanks for the replys and the link to the weekly notice.

Basically the summury is Berry Frame A (the signal box) will be out of use, all semaphore signals will be removed (although the down landmark distant signal will be retained), and the loop will not be rebuilt. Berry will have facilitys to have either local control, or control from Wollongong signal box.

At Bomaderry the semaphores will be retained (including the down distant landmark), the current up starting signal will become the up home and a new colour light signal BY5 will be brought into use as the up starting signal. This will be controlled by bringing the current spare lever (lever 5) on Frame A (the station frame) into use.

Whats suprising to me about this upgrade is the semaphores at Bomaderry will be retained and there doesn't appear to be any way that Bomaderry can be remotly controlled from Wollongong.

My thoughts about the upgrade of Kiama to Bomaderry safeworking were that all semaphore signals would be taken down, electric point motors would be installed on all mainline points and colour light signals would be used exclusivly, all remotely controlled from Wollongong.

What doesn't suprise me is that the loop at Berry won't be rebulit. When I used to catch the train to school (2003-2006) the loop was very rarely (if ever) used. The only time I ever saw any rail traffic in there was when trackwork machines were being stored. When the railway crossing at Wharf Road was upgraded with Boom gates, the boom gate and flashing light were placed right in the middle of where the loop track used to be. There is a photo of 5910 in the loop at Berry dated 1997 at Gerringong station in the waiting room and thats the most recent photo I can find of a Train using the loop for its designed purpose.

Another observation about the loop at Berry (when it was still a crossing loop) was that the points to the former goods siding were not connected to anything (the track still led to the goods siding although there was a piece of rail missing there as well), all rodding to operate the points had been removed, and the points did not appear to be clipped. In around the 2005-2006 era, a red marker appeared in the loop, and this is later where it was cut back to when the mainline points, goods siding points and all the other redundant track was removed.
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

And the reference in WN 22 to removal of A signals at Valley Heights etc is probably prep work for the eventual closure of Springwood Box and full control from Blacktown.
nswtrains

Probably just formalising what has been since the box was built ie: even though closing switches are there for Springwood and Lawson, they have never been used. The system would probably go into meltdown if the keys were turned, they have not been tested in living memory.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Probably just formalising what has been since the box was built ie: even though closing switches are there for Springwood and Lawson, they have never been used. The system would probably go into meltdown if the keys were turned, they have not been tested in living memory.
Throughwestmail

Lawson closed many years ago, but the blue lever saw occasional use, as did Springwood, Valley Heights was always in, but Springwood was mostly switched out
  Throughwestmail Train Controller

Lawson closed many years ago, but the blue lever saw occasional use, as did Springwood, Valley Heights was always in, but Springwood was mostly switched out
theanimal

Valley Heights, Springwood and Lawson all closed the same day in 1996 and went into the new box. The 2 closing switches on the current NX panel are what are never used. Springwood used to cut in for terminators or for special working only, operated by the SM or ASMs. Valley was staffed by signallers and Lawson was again SM and ASMs, very rarely ever cut out.Thanks Rod.
  Campaspe 2 Locomotive Driver

After this section goes, what other sections of Electric Staff remain in NSW?

Regards

Campaspe
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Berrima Jct to Blue Circle/steggles is all I can think of.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Theres still electric staff up around Narrabri isn't there?
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
The electric staff section Turrawan-Narrabri was replaced by train order working about 2010. The sections on both lines beyond Narrabri are OTS.
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

After this section goes, what other sections of Electric Staff remain in NSW?
Campaspe 2

Isn't Goobang Jct - Peak Hill - Narromine - Minore - Dubbo and Troy Jct - Elong Elong - Merrygoen still Electric Staff?
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
Coota west to Stockinbingal is still MES.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Thanks for the replys and the link to the weekly notice.

Basically the summury is Berry Frame A (the signal box) will be out of use, all semaphore signals will be removed (although the down landmark distant signal will be retained), and the loop will not be rebuilt. Berry will have facilitys to have either local control, or control from Wollongong signal box.

At Bomaderry the semaphores will be retained (including the down distant landmark), the current up starting signal will become the up home and a new colour light signal BY5 will be brought into use as the up starting signal. This will be controlled by bringing the current spare lever (lever 5) on Frame A (the station frame) into use.

Whats suprising to me about this upgrade is the semaphores at Bomaderry will be retained and there doesn't appear to be any way that Bomaderry can be remotly controlled from Wollongong.

My thoughts about the upgrade of Kiama to Bomaderry safeworking were that all semaphore signals would be taken down, electric point motors would be installed on all mainline points and colour light signals would be used exclusivly, all remotely controlled from Wollongong.

What doesn't suprise me is that the loop at Berry won't be rebulit. When I used to catch the train to school (2003-2006) the loop was very rarely (if ever) used. The only time I ever saw any rail traffic in there was when trackwork machines were being stored. When the railway crossing at Wharf Road was upgraded with Boom gates, the boom gate and flashing light were placed right in the middle of where the loop track used to be. There is a photo of 5910 in the loop at Berry dated 1997 at Gerringong station in the waiting room and thats the most recent photo I can find of a Train using the loop for its designed purpose.

Another observation about the loop at Berry (when it was still a crossing loop) was that the points to the former goods siding were not connected to anything (the track still led to the goods siding although there was a piece of rail missing there as well), all rodding to operate the points had been removed, and the points did not appear to be clipped. In around the 2005-2006 era, a red marker appeared in the loop, and this is later where it was cut back to when the mainline points, goods siding points and all the other redundant track was removed.
steve_w_1990

The likelihood of the Berry Loop last real working would have ceased when the milk traffic finished.  When I was at PTK, 1978 - 82, the loop was used pretty well frequently for some of the passengers to cross, also the down pick up 9725 (IIRC) went in there to detach & cross a passenger.

The return being the mill 9728, went away to both pick up loaded milk & cross a down pax.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
The likelihood of the Berry Loop last real working would have ceased when the milk traffic finished. When I was at PTK, 1978 - 82, the loop was used pretty well frequently for some of the passengers to cross, also the down pick up 9725 (IIRC) went in there to detach & cross a passenger.

The return being the mill 9728, went away to both pick up loaded milk & cross a down pax.
a6et

There is also a photo in a recent Australian railway history magazine of a passenger train (can't remember if its a 900 class or the south coast daylight) coming into berry with a milk train in the loop.

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