The End of Paper tickets

 
  sydneytwains Station Master

Looks like everyone will be forced to use Opal. From Sept 2014 TFNSW has just announced the retirement of most paper tickets.


http://www.transportnsw.info/en/transport-status/news/2014/paper-ticket-retirement.page

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  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Looks like everyone will be forced to use Opal. From Sept 2014 TFNSW has just announced the retirement of most paper tickets.


http://www.transportnsw.info/en/transport-status/news/2014/paper-ticket-retirement.page
sydneytwains




paper is still alive. it's the higher cost long term tickets being removed for the opal card.
  sydneytwains Station Master

You clearly did not read the link or have no understanding of ticketing.
Adult Off Peak returns, Adult weekly, Fortnightly. ARE GONE! Not to mention the other paper tickets.








Old paper tickets being retired
The following tickets will not be sold from
Monday 1 September 2014:






MyTrain






MyMulti






•Adult off-peak return•Adult Weekly
•Adult Fortnightly •Adult Monthly •Adult Quarterly •Adult Yearly •Concession Monthly •Concession Quarterly •Concession Yearly






•Adult Monthly•Adult Quarterly •Adult Yearly





MyFerry






•Adult TravelTen





Light Rail





•Adult Yearly


  Jim K Train Controller

Location: Well west of the Great Divide in NSW but not as far as South Australia
the retirement of most paper tickets.
sydneytwains

Only 14 of the 43 paper tickets will be retired.
  smithagain Junior Train Controller

I predict many unhappy customers especially regarding no more off-peak returns. Just buy two singles instead I suppose. Customers will love that. Rolling Eyes
  8603 Locomotive Driver

Location: Canberra
I predict many unhappy customers especially regarding no more off-peak returns. Just buy two singles instead I suppose. Customers will love that. Rolling Eyes
smithagain

There will still be Adult return tickets, which it still cheaper than two returns(?). Just not at the off-peak price.
  Kamz Assistant Commissioner

There will still be Adult return tickets, which it still cheaper than two returns(?). Just not at the off-peak price.
8603

Two singles = One return.

eg
Redfern to City single = $3.80
Central to Redfern single = $3.80

Redfern and City return = $7.60

Redfern and City off-peak return = $5.00
  gold4leaf Station Master

Location: Somewhere on the Short North
So up goes my ticket price



I currently buy (and I just did 3 weeks ago and I am fortunateto have an employer that gives me the money each year and then deducts a repayment from my wages) a Yearly Train ticket from the Central Coast to the City at a cost of $2,440, which equals $46.92 a week (or $50.83 for 48 weeks allowing for 4 weeks annual leave)


Now if I am forced to use an Opal card at a max price of $60a week (Single fare Central Coast to City is $8.10 so that will be $15 max a day for 4 days and I get Friday for “free”) will cost me $3,120 for a 52 week year or $2,880 whenI take my 4 weeks annual leave.


And Opal Cards are supposed to save the commuter (sorrycustomer, we are no longer passengers) money !!!!!!


I love how the Opal card is advertised as a cheaper fare –NOT

Definitely not looking forward to next June when I will have to pay more ... "not happy Jan"
  sydneytwains Station Master

@Jim K
The 14 tickets equate to the more popular or majority of sales. I'm certain that Adult OP returns out sell any yearly, quarterly etc tickets by hundreds of thousands if not millions across the network.
So the word "Most" is appropriate.
Wink
  johnboy Chief Commissioner

Location: Up the road from Gulgong
I know the Adult Weekly and Fortnightly was the highest seller when I was buying them in the early 1990s. I don't know how sales are these days.
This would be stage one to eventually get rid of all tickets. You dont need a paper ticket for a plane anymore...
  smithagain Junior Train Controller

There will still be Adult return tickets, which it still cheaper than two returns(?). Just not at the off-peak price.
8603

As Kamz has rightly pointed out, axing off peak return tickets will hit the customer directly in the hip pocket. What are we staff to tell customers in September when they ask for an off peak return? Sorry we don't sell them anymore but here buy two singles for 50% more $.

You only have to see how many customers wait until 9am to buy their ticket to realise that lots of people are on a tight budget. They will be caught out and peed off at this sneaky price increase. Plus of course those who travel irregular hours or only a couple days a week.  Seems this government only cares about "putting the customer first" if that customer works full time regular hours weekdays. And stuff any one else.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
As Kamz has rightly pointed out, axing off peak return tickets will hit the customer directly in the hip pocket. What are we staff to tell customers in September when they ask for an off peak return? Sorry we don't sell them anymore but here buy two singles for 50% more $.
smithagain


"Do you catch the train/bus/ferry in the Greater Sydney area often (say once per month or more)?  If so, you should consider getting an Opal card.  If not, sorry - off peak return tickets are no longer available (not that you really care... because you just told me that you don't catch the train/bus/ferry in the Greater Sydney area all that often...)


You only have to see how many customers wait until 9am to buy their ticket to realise that lots of people are on a tight budget. They will be caught out and peed off at this sneaky price increase. Plus of course those who travel irregular hours or only a couple days a week. Seems this government only cares about "putting the customer first" if that customer works full time regular hours weekdays. And stuff any one else.

They will get an Opal card.  Life will go on...
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
A lot of the perceived price rises is just the undoing of the price cuts under MyZone...
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
As Kamz has rightly pointed out, axing off peak return tickets will hit the customer directly in the hip pocket. What are we staff to tell customers in September when they ask for an off peak return? Sorry we don't sell them anymore but here buy two singles for 50% more $.

You only have to see how many customers wait until 9am to buy their ticket to realise that lots of people are on a tight budget. They will be caught out and peed off at this sneaky price increase. Plus of course those who travel irregular hours or only a couple days a week. Seems this government only cares about "putting the customer first" if that customer works full time regular hours weekdays. And stuff any one else.
smithagain

Sadly this is not about the Customer, despite what the Govt harps on about just more cost cutting.
Really going to be a hit to the pocket if you were buying Weekly gate passes for the Airport stations, as the access fee is not included in the daily or weekly caps.
  simonl Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
A lot of the perceived price rises is just the undoing of the price cuts under MyZone...
Raichase

Umm, the dropping of the longer periodical prices happened after MyZone.  If MyZone had a big impact on longer periodicals, it was pretty lost in the other changes.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Umm, the dropping of the longer periodical prices happened after MyZone. If MyZone had a big impact on longer periodicals, it was pretty lost in the other changes.
simonl

I'm referring to the fact that the MyZone 3 Multi became a lot cheaper than a weekly from a lot of interurban stations.

Either way, they're reversing earlier price drops, not putting ticket prices up wholesale.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
They cannot force people to buy an Opal ticket, its just an option for people.
  smithagain Junior Train Controller

A lot of the perceived price rises is just the undoing of the price cuts under MyZone...
Raichase

True. But the average punter won't care about that. All they'll see is the 50% more they will now have to pay for the same service.


(Yada yada yeah yeah switch to Opal times change blah blah...... Sorry but there will always be customers for whom Opal is just not a good option).
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

True. But the average punter won't care about that. All they'll see is the 50% more they will now have to pay for the same service.


(Yada yada yeah yeah switch to Opal times change blah blah...... Sorry but there will always be customers for whom Opal is just not a good option).
smithagain


Currently one group has no options with Opal and no chance of buying a ticket on a bus.
  donttellmywife Chief Commissioner

Location: Antofagasta
Currently one group has no options with Opal and no chance of buying a ticket on a bus.
viaprojects

Not true.  They have options.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Not true. They have options.
donttellmywife

Most OPAL user like the convenience of having a ticket on hand so they can immediately board a train and not be held up by ditherers at TVMs or held up by crowds at ticket windows. Very handy up the Mountains where your next train might be a long wait if you miss your intended train.
  Blackadder Chief Commissioner

Location: Not the ECRL
Most OPAL user like the convenience of having a ticket on hand so they can immediately board a train and not be held up by ditherers at TVMs or held up by crowds at ticket windows. Very handy up the Mountains where your next train might be a long wait if you miss your intended train.
nswtrains

You will still get those that stuff around at the barriers trying to tap on a opal card and for various reasons, the card not reading.
  Aurora8 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney
They cannot force people to buy an Opal ticket, its just an option for people.
"Junction box"

Well that's exactly what they're trying to do. They don't want paper tickets full stop.
  matthewg Train Controller

Well that's exactly what they're trying to do. They don't want paper tickets full stop.
Aurora8


The Opal full conditions of use still mention the system supporting 'one use' tickets. They will probably do something based on a MiFare Ultralight built into a cardboard card.

Melbourne had planned to do something similar, but when the implementation ran into trouble, the dropped it - but apparently not before stocking up on blank ticket stock.

A number of systems elsewhere use disposable paper chip cards for single fares.

Once every periodical ticket is retired, they can replace the mag ticket encoders in the offices with NFC ticket encoders and issue single (and maybe return) tickets on paper chip ticket stock.

You want to keep the value of fares encoded on these cheap disposable tickets relatively low as the security on those cheap disposable chips matches the price...
  clrks Locomotive Fireman

For those who are after quarterly-like savings, you can still catch buses for one stop during lunch times to reduce your overall weekly spend once Opal rolls out across the bus network. Alternatively, you can catch a train one stop although this isn't as cost effective.

Of course, this is only feasible mostly in the city where there are ample buses and trains to take short journeys on.

Whether people can be bothered to invest the time in that is another matter.

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