Extension of Eaglehawk passenger services

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is an extension of Eaglehawk vlocity services to Bridgewater a possibility anyone ?

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  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Is an extension of Eaglehawk vlocity services to Bridgewater a possibility anyone ?
freightgate

Bridgewater. Population 391.

Bendigo. . . . Population 100,617

Yep, Bridgewater definitely has the population to justify a Velocity train being extended to run there. Rolling Eyes

... or perhaps not. With only a few people standing, you could comfortably fit the entire population of the town on a 3 carriage train.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Considered to Inglewood ?

What is the population of Epsom ?

What is the population of Eaglehawk ?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
freightgateConsidered to Inglewood ?

What is the population of Epsom ?

What is the population of Eaglehawk ?


Extending to Inglewood would make far more sense.


According to Wikipedia, Epsom had a population of 1,405 as at 2006.


At the 2011 Census Inglewood had a population of 1058 (up from 834 in 2006).

Add Inglewood and Bridgewater and you have Epsom.

Regards
Brian
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Eaglehawk and Epsom are suburbs of Bendigo, so the population of 100,617 includes them.

Inglewood is another small town with about 980 people, so a bit bigger than Bridgewater, but still pretty small.

Bendigo is in the Northern Country and, (along with the Wimmera and the Mallee), this is fairly hot dry land that doesn't support a big rural population compared to the cooler, better watered areas such as Castlemaine and places further south.

So Bendigo's hinterland (especially the area to the north west) will never support the sort of population needed to justify even the most basic Sprinter railcar service.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
A service extending north from Bendigo as far as Inglewood would make sense as a feeder service for a bus running north west to Wedderburn and beyond . Avoiding the somewhat congested centre of Bendigo.

Otherwise a purely local service would be easily served by a daily return bus from Eaglehawk.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Thank you all for the feedback.

I consider the response from Rodo most interesting
  712M Chief Commissioner

I would provide Eaglehawk with a lot more than 3 trains daily before I'd ever consider extending the Vlocity terminaters.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Take those 3 services per day and add another 3 ad extend all services to mating or Inglewood.

Better idea.

Bus interchange at Inglewood. Relives the need to bus into bendigo an allows changing or ballarat ?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Am I correct in believing this new station at Epsom will be a part of the increased services to Echuca?

There is a big difference between building a rather simple, single platform station on an already open and serviced line, compared to re-building and re-opening a closed line, not to mention the two new stations that would be required in Inglewood and Bridgewater.

Nonsense.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
This is dumber than daft. A proposal to reopen a closed railway line to service the population of two villages with a combined population of about 1400, just for passenger services.

Now the original poster might not have had any idea that Bridgewater was so tiny, but to persist with the idea after seeing the population numbers... well anyone who thinks there is any conceivable reason to justify it has to be utterly out of their tree.

There are (approximately) a squillion transport projects that might be useful IF Victoria had an infinite supply of money, but this is not one of them. Rolling Eyes
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Bus interchange at Inglewood. Relives the need to bus into bendigo an allows changing or ballarat ?
freightgate



Except the bus comes from Bendigo anyway.


Making the concept of such an interchange even more ridiculous.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
A train to Inglewood would be handy to fill the two buses that leave there to go north. One to Ultima via Korong Vale and Boort, the other via Charlton.
No need for the bus to run into Bendigo's congested streets.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
I think more to the point is that Epsom is growing FAST whilst Bridgewater and Inglewood are dying.

The new Epsom station will serve the localities of Epsom and Ascot.  

The combined population of Epsom and Ascot in 2006 was 2895.  By 2011 that population had grown to 4364.  That's a 51% increase in 5 years!  And there's no sign of that slowing down.

http://profile.id.com.au/bendigo/population?WebID=140
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
I honestly wonder if some of the people posting here have even visited Bendigo and the localities to the north west and north.

Bendigo is a proper city, thus it extends over quite a large area. Thus it has several railway stations, including Bendigo [central], Kangaroo Flat, Eaglehawk and Epsom. There were also some now closed stations such as Golden Square. ALL these are (or were) suburban stations. They are not separate towns and would not exist if Bendigo didn't exist.

Now have you got that?

Oh, if you didn't know:

- The line between Eaglehawk and Inglewood has been abandoned for many years. There is no way a train could run over it without it being totally rebuilt.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
No need for the bus to run into Bendigo's congested streets.

Where do you think the bus comes from?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
- The line between Eaglehawk and Inglewood has been abandoned for many years. There is no way a train could run over it without it being totally rebuilt.
Bogong

Too true. I was up there earlier this year and the line between Inglewood and Bendigo has been washed away by floods in several locations.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
Where do you think the bus comes from?
ZH836301

I would say that the bus is quite likely manufactured in Melbourne with many imported components.

A place the size of Inglewood should be able to arrange garaging and service facilities, buses are not attached to an umbilical cord at Bendigo.

Of course all this speculation is entirely based on the Eaglehawk-Inglewood railway being repaired for heavy freight work. I think the stations still exist,  just platforms and an awning is all that is needed. Marong platform is still there too, I believe. A good linking point for local Bendigo city buses.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
A place the size of Inglewood should be able to arrange garaging and service facilities, buses are not attached to an umbilical cord at Bendigo.
Rodo

No place the size of Inglewood that close to Bendigo could justify such expense.

The place is tiny.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I am sure that Inglewood already has some sort of truck depot or bus company. Of course the buses would be likely based at the other end of their runs, possibly Sea Lake, Utima, Swan Hill or even Mildura.

My own home town is smaller than Inglewood and has a few truck and bus depots.

Marong station would need a short platform and awning, the other 2 look ready to go. They even have sidings to put the freight trains away. Crossing loops and interlocking at Eaglehawk would be the biggest expense after the rehabilitation of washouts and repair of neglect.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Marong platform is still there too, I believe. A good linking point for local Bendigo city buses.
Rodo

Marong, like many of the tiny hamlet town platforms along the former Sea Lake/Robinvale lines has long ago been bull-dozed into oblivion.

Mike.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I did check up on Marong via Google maps. There is plenty of space near the railway crossing and a good supply of earth to push up against a piece of concrete formwork. Marong is growing into a Bendigo satellite town and I think it has at least one Bendigo local bus serving it. Even Bridgewater and Inglewood seem to have ended their decline at least.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Google maps actually provides the station site which is just west of the rail crossing at the town.

Inglewood has a good quality railway station which could be used for both Maryborough or Bendigo service extensions.

Regards
Brian
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
I am sure that Inglewood already has some sort of truck depot or bus company. Of course the buses would be likely based at the other end of their runs, possibly Sea Lake, Utima, Swan Hill or even Mildura.
Rodo

They don't - again, it's a tiny town. Fairly certain no depots at Ultima, there may be a school bus depot (and by depot I mean vacant chained block) at Sea Lake - due to isolation, not size.


Where the bus depots are depends on the operator - they may store a bus somewhere overnight, but do their maintenance at their facility wherever. They can't just leave it on the side of the road (legality) it needs to be on a property somewhere. An idle bus is a money pit, you don't make money unless they're moving. Any operator would seek maximum utilisation of their buses, which is why these tiny towns generally don't have depots - the only exception is clapped out old school buses.


If I recall Swan Hill Bus Lines does most of the northwestern stuff - their depot is Swan Hill. They're not going to store a shiny, new bus in Ultima for the one Vline run a week or whatever it gets.


Also, Marong has no Bendigo town bus service. And also:

  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I think that all Ultima buses run through to Swan Hill. A vacant chained bock is all that is needed as a bus depot, mostly for storage but a fair bit of maintainence is done in such places. Not all school buses are particularly ancient or clapped out.

Not so say that what I am envisaging is particularly likely but not impossible either.

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