Boy films brothers death skylarking on train

 

News article: Boy films brothers death skylarking on train

A TEENAGER has died in front of his younger brother after leaning out of a moving train in Melbourne’s southeast.

  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
A TEENAGER has died in front of his younger brother after leaning out of a moving train in Melbourne’s southeast.
"Boy films brothers death skylarking on train"
View the full storyAnd another one bites the dust.

Serves the moron right.

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Just to clarify, the picture in that story may mislead some.
(from 7 news) The youth was hanging out of the door of the rear drivers compartment of a Metro service and was hit by a lineside structure (signal post), the V/locity picture was not involved!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Both print and tv media have a velocity in the images why?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
The image confused me.  News and personal messages here confirmed the train was on the Frankston line.  The train in the image is a Velocity set.  Those do pass through Malvern but do not come to Frankston.

Stock image use again I suspect.  But in the interests of accurate reporting it should be made clear that this is NOT an image of the incident in question.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Report has it that they were in the driver's cab at the rear when the incident happened - you'd wonder how they gained access. Are there stolen keys out there still ?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The youth was probably well outside the door and was hit by the train passing rail side infrastructure.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
It is suggested that they first gained access to the rear driver's cabin either from inside the train or through the drivers door and that one (at least) was possibly "train surfing" by riding outside.  Quite how the other managed to film that might also be open to question unless it was done by also riding unlawfully outside.

Acting Sergeant Andrew Kiss described it as .....

“It appears he may have been hanging on the side of the train or from the train when his head hit the signage,” he said.

He said the accessibility to the rear doors would now form part of the coroner’s investigation.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It is suggested that they first gained access to the rear driver's cabin either from inside the train or through the drivers door and that one (at least) was possibly "train surfing" by riding outside. Quite how the other managed to film that might also be open to question unless it was done by also riding unlawfully outside.
Gwiwer

It's inconceivable that you would be able to stop that kind of behaviour in any way, shape or form.  Assuming that it was the interior access door then they just went through a program of fortifying access - but I'm sure if you're determined enough you'll get through any door. SO from there they subsequently lean out of the exterior door or climb onto the roof.

I'd be interested to hear what nanny-state recommendations the coroner comes up with as a consequence of this one.  It's not the first time someone has died in this manner and I'm fairly certain it won't be the last.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
It's inconceivable that you would be able to stop that kind of behaviour in any way, shape or form. Assuming that it was the interior access door then they just went through a program of fortifying access - but I'm sure if you're determined enough you'll get through any door. SO from there they subsequently lean out of the exterior door or climb onto the roof.

I'd be interested to hear what nanny-state recommendations the coroner comes up with as a consequence of this one. It's not the first time someone has died in this manner and I'm fairly certain it won't be the last.
don_dunstan

According to Charles Darwin, the issue of repetition has been self rectifying. But unfortunately the gene pool usually needs to confirm this line of approach to weeding out imperfections more than once.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

NBN News showed the moron fell from a Metro train.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The image confused me.  News and personal messages here confirmed the train was on the Frankston line.  The train in the image is a Velocity set.  Those do pass through Malvern but do not come to Frankston.

Stock image use again I suspect.  But in the interests of accurate reporting it should be made clear that this is NOT an image of the incident in question.
"Gwiwer"

The linked story says the following:-
Police said the 17-year-old Beaumaris boy was on the Frankston-bound train with his brother and a girl about 9.20pm yesterday.
The Herald Sun understands the group entered the rear driver’s cabin and leaned out to film themselves while the train was moving.
The teen fell when he was struck by a signalling sign, 200m from Malvern station.
The train driver was unaware what had happened.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Maybe...

Moron tries train-surfing a suburban and gets dead. Laughing
Dead morons friends advise driver/staff/Police.
Driver/Staff/Police advice Metrol.
Metrol stops next train along that happens to be the V/Locity in the photos.

No sympathy from me, other than for those personnel who have to pull his body off the track. At least he didn't get a chance to reproduce. Hopefully.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

While this does not relate directly to this story.....
Some years ago when travelling to Belgrave I found the door from the pass compartment to the drivers cab at the rear of the train was free. I had quite an interesting look around the compartment, a great pity I did not have my camera.

On examening the door lock I found the bolt would not travel home no matter how hard one pushed the door. It was not until I dismantled the lock and cleaned it (I always carry tools) that one could get to catch even then it would only JUST catch, but I did get to to lock.

Reported it with rolling stock ID to the driver and also rung up the Met rail people no one could have cared less.

Recently during the fire season, I observed a muffler fault on a sprinter, this was allowing fresh hot exhaust gas to reach the grass, a VERY dangerous situation. reporting this again I found no one who could have cared at all.

To say I was not impressed with the fleets maintenence standard would be an under statement, although this would be typical of most fleet maintence of most company's.

woodford
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Prime news this evening will show the girlfriend and pekbay a sob story on her loss.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
He was a Student who liked making videos. He was 17.

Apparently he was an intelligent boy. I wonder.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
While this does not relate directly to this story.....
Some years ago when travelling to Belgrave I found the door from the pass compartment to the drivers cab at the rear of the train was free. I had quite an interesting look around the compartment, a great pity I did not have my camera.

On examening the door lock I found the bolt would not travel home no matter how hard one pushed the door. It was not until I dismantled the lock and cleaned it (I always carry tools) that one could get to catch even then it would only JUST catch, but I did get to to lock.

Reported it with rolling stock ID to the driver and also rung up the Met rail people no one could have cared less.

Recently during the fire season, I observed a muffler fault on a sprinter, this was allowing fresh hot exhaust gas to reach the grass, a VERY dangerous situation. reporting this again I found no one who could have cared at all.

To say I was not impressed with the fleets maintenence standard would be an under statement, although this would be typical of most fleet maintence of most company's.

woodford
woodford

Par for the course in my experience. Apart from not being in the slightest interested I have found that the staff concerned at Metro do not even understand what you are talking about in most cases.  Response could not be worse if they were located in Mumbai.


Latest trick at my station is platform and passengers are showered with sparks as trains depart due to a short 'patch' in the overhead.


I assume that something will be done when someone gets an eyeful of hot copper or a train pulls down a couple of 100 metres of overhead.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
He was a Student who liked making videos. He was 17.

Apparently he was an intelligent boy. I wonder.
freightgate

Risk taking behaviour is common about that age. He probably thought he had it all worked out but the viewfinder of his camera tricked him perhaps ? As long as was not a grafettiologist I have some sympathy.

When I was about that age we liked to walk along the running boards of the swing door trains on the Hurstbridge line. No problems whatever.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

chlorine in the gene pool
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
How dangerous is it for someone to access the drivers cabin? Could they override the drivers controls and cause the train to go backwards and collide into another train?
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
How dangerous is it for someone to access the drivers cabin? Could they override the drivers controls and cause the train to go backwards and collide into another train?
Braddo


1.  Potentially lethal.  

2.  That should not be possible but with unauthorised interference even the seemingly impossible might inadvertently occur.  Even if that was not intended.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
There was a piece in the Herald-Sun yesterday about the 17-year old in question and how his death had impacted on his family etc.  They were saying that he was an avid film-maker.

This is an extremely difficult time for them I'm sure but the fact is that you shouldn't be accessing a driver's cabin and/or hanging out a door, not to make a film - not for any reason.  I will be interested to see the Coroner's investigation and if it will uncover how they got into the driver's cab; given that they've just gone through a program to fortify the doors it's disappointing to see that determined teens can still access it somehow.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Locked doors only keep honest people out.
This kid has, unfortunately for his family, broken laws like criminal damage, unlawful access et al, and then died from self-inflicted wounds. I can't preach, because to this day ( 60 years on ), I carry a great scar immediately above my left ankle, caused by me being where I shouldn't have been, and taking a stupid risk. I was just a bit luckier, that's all - I survived. I wish I knew how to get through to kids about danger, but I don't.
  sparkdriver Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The reason the V/line velocity is in the photo is because it was the first train on the scene after the accident. The Metro driver of the Frankston bound train had no idea of the incident until he arrived at Frankston and was told to shunt the train out as it was being impounded because of the incident.

The incident happened 200m past Malvern station heading towards Caulfield. As you depart Malvern, there is a right curve immediately after the platform, so the driver would have had no idea of the incident unless someone alerted him to it.

The moron who died's brother and female companion got off at Caulfield and ran back up the track to the dying moron. Another rain had alerted Metrol to tresspassers on the line and that is why the V/line service was able to stop at the scene, as it would have been travelling at slower speeds due to being alerted to the tresspassers.

As a train driver who sees or hears from colleagues of these morons several times a week doing stupid things, i've got no sympathy for him and it's just one less moron travelling on the train network.
  sparkdriver Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
How dangerous is it for someone to access the drivers cabin? Could they override the drivers controls and cause the train to go backwards and collide into another train?
Braddo

It is very dangerous to access the drivers cab, as trains run on 1500 volts and that will kill you instantly.

The controls cannot be overridden if there is another active cab that is being driven from another motor. However, there are plenty of thing that can be done to mess with the running of the train......but i'm not going to go into detail here where anybody could read what i say and try to put it into practice Shocked
  MtBeenak Train Controller

"given that they've just gone through a program to fortify the doors"


Thanks for that.  I needed a good laugh!

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