Boy films brothers death skylarking on train

 

News article: Boy films brothers death skylarking on train

A TEENAGER has died in front of his younger brother after leaning out of a moving train in Melbourne’s southeast.

  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
criminal damage,
Valvegear

What did he damage?

unlawful access
Valvegear

Not if the door was open.


Be fair, he was just a kid - kids are stupid.


ran back up the track to the dying dickhead.
sparkdriver

Surprised this hasn't been moderated.


Did he upset your train set?

Sponsored advertisement

  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
There was a piece in the Herald-Sun yesterday about the 17-year old in question and how his death had impacted on his family etc. They were saying that he was an avid film-maker.

This is an extremely difficult time for them I'm sure but the fact is that you shouldn't be accessing a driver's cabin and/or hanging out a door, not to make a film - not for any reason. I will be interested to see the Coroner's investigation and if it will uncover how they got into the driver's cab; given that they've just gone through a program to fortify the doors it's disappointing to see that determined teens can still access it somehow.
don_dunstan

You can rest assured that the coroner will come up with something (anything) that will mitigate the kid's stupidity and blame someone else.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
You can rest assured that the coroner will come up with something (anything) that will mitigate the kid's stupidity and blame someone else.
YM-Mundrabilla

I may have mentioned this before but I have friends who have had been called in a professional capacity to appear at Coroner's inquests and it's completely ridiculous the lengths that they go to exonerate people who (in the old days) would have simply been categorised 'death by mis-adventure'. I don't know why, maybe it's just a sign of the times.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I may have mentioned this before but I have friends who have had been called in a professional capacity to appear at Coroner's inquests and it's completely ridiculous the lengths that they go to exonerate people who (in the old days) would have simply been categorised 'death by mis-adventure'. I don't know why, maybe it's just a sign of the times.
don_dunstan

It's activity in lieu of achievement. It keeps public servants in employment.

People must take some responsibility for their own actions!

It's no different from other courts where people on parole/early release commit crimes - if they were dealt with properly in the first place the second (or 99th) offence would not take place.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
"given that they've just gone through a program to fortify the doors"


Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh!
MtBeenak

Didn't they have a program specifically to fortify the Comeng saloon access doors? Are you saying it was pointless - it seemed like they did a pretty good job covering access to the bolt to me but I'm not an expert.
  Gwiwer Rt Hon Gentleman and Ghost of Oliver Bulleid

Location: Loitering in darkest Somewhere
When the coroner's enquiry seeks to apportion blame and ascribe a cause of death they could perhaps bear in mind the simple fact that anyone of sound mind is deemed responsible for their actions under normal circumstances.

To find otherwise that enquiry would have to establish that other factors were involved such as proof beyond reasonable doubt of the victim's mind being in an unstable state, which on the publicly-available reports does not seem to be the case, or that some other abnormal event forced his hand into acting as he did for example being placed under extreme duress by another party which again is not being suggested anywhere public.

On the face of it this is a simple and tragic case of doing something crassly stupid and possibly unlawful with it then suffering the consequence.

I don't believe a coroner's court would be swayed by hearse-chasing lawyers. This isn't the US and while there is a hint of that sort of culture creeping into Australian society the test at law is still "What would a reasonable person do?"