Penrice stone train

 
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
If the limestone train service is truly finished I hope that maybe GWA may consider offering some of the remaining broad gauge 830's to some of the preservation groups in SA. I know 1 or 2 830's would be great for steamranger or PRR
"SAR_enthusiast"


That's right, I'm surprised no 830's have been preserved in SA yet, despite their age. Steamranger should definitely get one, perhaps for Cockle Train duties when Rx207 & 621 are unavailable? Pichi Richi could go with one, maybe Steamtown Peterborough as well?

I heard 704 is a shoe-in to be put on standard gauge, not sure when that'll happen though.

Also, would there be any chance a stone hopper will be preserved somewhere?

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Then again GWA might just transfer them to the Port Lincoln or Whyalla for continued service.

Has GWA 'rescued' the 830 that was on lease to PSP?
  SAR_enthusiast Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
The 830 on lease to PSP is 831
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels

Also, would there be any chance a stone hopper will be preserved somewhere?
greasyrhys


Ba ha ha ha ha ha.  LMAO or PML

Wayne
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
That's right, I'm surprised no 830's have been preserved in SA yet, despite their age. Steamranger should definitely get one, perhaps for Cockle Train duties when Rx207 & 621 are unavailable? Pichi Richi could go with one, maybe Steamtown Peterborough as well?

I heard 704 is a shoe-in to be put on standard gauge, not sure when that'll happen though.

Also, would there be any chance a stone hopper will be preserved somewhere?
greasyrhys


Call GWA up and tell them

8343 7650.

To increase your chances for success, send them a letter (yeah, old school). 1 Kidman Drive Dry Creek, SA 5094.

Please update us with their responses Razz
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Well stranger things have happened after all GWA did donate a 500 class locomotive number 517 to the NRM and also transported it there as well free of charge! So anything is possible although it would be a real wild card though as the 830's could as Pressman said be sent to Port Lincoln to be used or even onto SG for use.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Would've thought that the Port Lincoln division had plenty of locos available already.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Would've thought that the Port Lincoln division had plenty of locos available already.
"greasyrhys"

Not as many as you think, check out the "Port Lincoln Notes" thread for current happenings.
  SAR_enthusiast Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Not as many as you think, check out the "Port Lincoln Notes" thread for current happenings.
"Pressman"


One of the 900's has already been returned to Whyalla so I'm guessing they have more than enough loco power at the moment. Also I'm not sure if they would be that willing to spend the required money to transfer the BG 830's by road and transfer them to NG when they already have surplus 830's sitting around the turntable in Lincoln?
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

How many locomotives were retained on the broad gauge specifically for working this train?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
How many locomotives were retained on the broad gauge specifically for working this train?
"hunslet1915"

As mentioned previously in this thread.... BG locos are 704 (now out of service?); 841; 843; 844 as well as 831 that was hired out to PSP to shunt the Osborne plant.
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

As mentioned previously in this thread.... BG locos are 704 (now out of service?); 841; 843; 844 as well as 831 that was hired out to PSP to shunt the Osborne plant.
Pressman

Thank you.   Where were/are they shedded and serviced?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Thank you.   Where were/are they shedded and serviced?
"hunslet1915"

They are at MPC Dry Creek, 831 usually stayed at PSP's Osborne plant, returning to Dry Creek for servicing.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
One of the 900's has already been returned to Whyalla so I'm guessing they have more than enough loco power at the moment. Also I'm not sure if they would be that willing to spend the required money to transfer the BG 830's by road and transfer them to NG when they already have surplus 830's sitting around the turntable in Lincoln?
SAR_enthusiast

Those ones sitting around the turntable at Port Lincoln I think by what was said in one of the Port Lincoln threads are that they are spare parts donors and as such unlikely to move anytime soon under their own power. The 830's are a lot easier on the track and can travel on very light rails which abound on the EP system. If they have to go somewhere then Port Lincoln or even Whyalla is the logical places actually as the railroad itself does not have much use for these locomotives on SG these days! The would only have to roaded from Whyalla to Port Lincoln if they went there G&W themselves could rail them to Whyalla if they need to go there.

A set of SG freight bogies modified under them and a flatcar to take the bogies and they could go just about anywhere really. Even just  lift and place on a heavy duty on the original bogies if they want to, to transport it as the whole journey is in double stack container areas.
  sar602 Chief Train Controller

Location: Nomadic truckie
The 3 830's have been parked up behind GM1, saw 831 is still at Penrice, 704 still sitting in dry creek south attached to 4 stone hoppers.
I cant see any need for 704 on SG with all the GM's parked up near the bogie exchange and the reduction in grain traffic, same as the 830's as only 1 consist running on EP now you would think the 2 A's and 2 or 3 830/DA's would be able to handle it, Thevenard's got the remaining NJ's and a couple of 830's and Whyalla has the GWN's now.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
831 (along with 4 empty hoppers) were transferred from Osborne to Dry Creek south on Thursday using the other 3 830's.
  sar602 Chief Train Controller

Location: Nomadic truckie
Dam yeah this was last Wednesday I saw it, was hoping to catch it moving back to dry creek as it would have been the last BG loco hauled rail movement in the state RIP broad gauge.
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  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
could this mean support for the penrice train?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
could this mean support for the penrice train?
JimYarin

Reading the article, it states that the processing plant is still closing. All that it sounds like is the mine has been saved, but the destination for the train has not, so I would imagine it would stay the way it is now.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
could this mean support for the penrice train?
"JimYarin"


Upon reading the ABC article, you'll find the following statement
"Adelaide Brighton says the quarry is a key raw materials supplier for its lime and cement plant at Angaston."
The quarry is one reason the Adelaide Brighton Plant at Angaston was built many years ago and a simple look at a local map will show you that it is only a few kilometres away from the quarry .... by road.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

ABC do have their own quarry but checking it on Google Maps it doesn't look like it is being worked. It is reasonable to suspect that ABC have been getting their raw material from Penrice. Their product spec need not have been as tight as that for Soda Ash, a bit of silica would not hurt cement, so they could take product not suitable for the Osborne plant.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Heard on the ABC news this morning that the Penrice quarry and operations have been bought as a going concern, so maybe not get rid of the train just yet.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Heard on the ABC news this morning that the Penrice quarry and operations have been bought as a going concern, so maybe not get rid of the train just yet.
62440

True. But where would the stone go by rail?

ABC Angaston already take their feed from Penrice and it goes by road.

I suppose they could rail stone to the ABC Birkenhead plant, it might be cheaper than by sea from Point Klein. That is about the only hope for the "Stonie".

Let's hope this idea at least gets a review. (Waits for the naysayers Sad)
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
True. But where would the stone go by rail?

ABC Angaston already take their feed from Penrice and it goes by road.

I suppose they could rail stone to the ABC Birkenhead plant, it might be cheaper than by sea from Point Klein. That is about the only hope for the "Stonie".

Let's hope this idea at least gets a review. (Waits for the naysayers Sad)
"steam4ian"

Ian, I'm trying not to be a Naysayer here.
ABC Birkenhead has no rail connection, it once did have but from memory it was only for "out loading" product, not receivals.
The lime product from Klein's Point is visually different from that at Penrice (Klein's is more finer tan coloured "sand" than Penrice's white rock)(as to the chemical difference, I'm not sure)
ABC wholey owns the Accolade II (which incidently is a dual fuelled vessel running Diesel oil or CNG, and one of the first (if not the first) "self discharge" ships in Australia - very innovative when they had it built in the early 80's )
As far as I am aware, Birkenhead has always used Lime from Klein's Point (and for a time suppliemented with Rapid Bay stone) {Also transported via sea by the Accolade II}

Not to say they couldn't use Penrice product at Birkenhead, but it would require some investment there to make rail transport of the raw materials possible.

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