Southern Rail Blog - Uboats, Xplorer, Vlocity, tank cars, QR Things, etc

 
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

First, I wish people would stop quoting whole posts - especially the post just before - it's really noticeable in this section.


Am I the only person who is cynical about this so-called loyalty offer?
wagrttn

NO!

by which the only way an L class in a highly desirable scheme can be purchased from them is for a total outlay of $410, instead of the standard $325 per item.
wagrttn

And other discount offers offer more of a discount than SRM's

EG: Another shop's card allows 10% off, and you only pay $22 ($11 pensioner)/year. Even with SRM's own stock it works out cheaper. If you only used it say once in a year, it still is cheaper. For example, SRM's at this shop is $595 for example.
$595 - 10% = $535.50. That's a total outlay of $557.50/$546.50)

But SRM's discount is only 5%. IF you used it just once:-
$595 - 5% = $565.25, but then add on the annual cost, and you're stilling paying more. You would need to use it multiple times to get "any benefit" out of it.

In saying that - the U Boats and Explorers etc are just awesome so getting the membership might be worthwhile if your making big purchases.
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IF you're making many, many purchases, MAYBE (not is) could be worth it.

U Sets & Xplorer/Endeavour Sets:
If you can manage to get a picture of SRM beside a Berg's U set, I doubt that will still be your view. I've looked through various this & that, and the Bergs seem to be more accurate than SRM. Berg's though might be slightly more expensive due to no interior lighting, but do you really need interior lighting? More expensive yes, but more accurate.
PS: I'm not saying SRM's U sets are bad either.

And as for SRM's Xplorer/Endeavour sets, while they may look good, personally, I wouldn't give them (m)any points to them on having the wires around the wrong way causing the cars to run in the wrong direction. (That should have been fixed before being released)

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  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I tend to agree with wagrttn on this one.
Bit of a marketing ploy with not much value in my opinion.

If you want to reward your loyal customers I think Auscision have a better set up,if you are willing to pay in full upfront for pre-orders on locos you pay $250.00 rather than the after delivery price of $295.00 that's about a 15% discount and you don't have to pay any membership fees.
2LaGrange

Southern Rail already have similar discounts for "pay in full upfront", and were doing it long before Auscision - a current example is the L class where right now the offers available for non-sound locos are: pay a deposit only = $325, pay in full $295 before June2015, pay for 3 locos in full for $800 offer expires in 2 weeks (similar pre-order discounts apply to the sound locos, and v/locities, cement wagons, etc).

The Members Club isn't replacing or excluding anyone from the pre-order discounts some like to make use of, it is adding an extra layer of discounting & and other bonuses suitable for those who spend larger amounts on this hobby. Like any rewards program it's up to each individual person to determine if the rewards outweigh any costs involved.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Southern Rail already have similar discounts for "pay in full upfront", and were doing it long before Auscision - a current example is the L class where right now the offers available for non-sound locos are: pay a deposit only = $325, pay in full $295 before June2015, pay for 3 locos in full for $800 offer expires in 2 weeks (similar pre-order discounts apply to the sound locos, and v/locities, cement wagons, etc).

The Members Club isn't replacing or excluding anyone from the pre-order discounts some like to make use of, it is adding an extra layer of discounting & and other bonuses suitable for those who spend larger amounts on this hobby. Like any rewards program it's up to each individual person to determine if the rewards outweigh any costs involved.
Poath Junction

I think you need to check your facts Poath,for starters Southern Rail Models were not even around when Auscision started to offer discounts on pre orders of their products.
SRM Released their U boats in 2011.

Auscision offered N class at a discount pre order price back in 2008/9 so I think the correct statement would be Auscision have been offering discounted Pre order prices on products before SRM even produced any products.Were SRM even around in 2009 ?
Also Auscision offer locos at $250.00 while the SRM will be $295.00 pre ordered which is the normal Auscision price.
The SRM discount is 10% compared to Auscisions 15% and Auscision do not put a time limit on pre orders as long as you order before model arrives you get the discount.

Auscision have produced plenty of locos and we know what we get with their products but SRM have yet to produce any locos so its a big unknown what quality their locos will be.
  Newcastle Express Chief Commissioner

The SRM discount is 10% compared to Auscisions 15% and Auscision do not put a time limit on pre orders as long as you order before model arrives you get the discount.
2LaGrange

I think you may need to check your facts; SRM's "discount" is only %5 plus $75 - $300/year fee for the membership.
  kingfisher Chief Train Controller

I think you may need to check your facts; SRM's "discount" is only %5 plus $75 - $300/year fee for the membership.
Newcastle Express

The 10% discount (actually 9%) he is talking about is the discount outlined on the order form for the  L Class for fully paid orders placed before 30 June 2015. The 5% plus $75-$300/ year fee for the membership you mention is a completely separate issue.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

I think you may need to check your facts; SRM's "discount" is only %5 plus $75 - $300/year fee for the membership.
Newcastle Express

No Maybe you should check your facts before commenting.

We are aware of the SRM 5% discount for members but as Poath stated if you pre pay in full for SRM loco it is $295.00 as opposed to $325.00 which is the current after delivery price which is a discount of 10% is it not ???

If you add that discount to the members only 5% discount then SRM match Auscisions 15% discount for fully paid pre orders but SRM start at a higher price of $325.00 opposed to Auscisions $295.00 and that's not including SRMs membership fee to get 5% discount and there is no time limit on Auscision discounts.

Those are the facts.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I think you need to check your facts Poath,for starters Southern Rail Models were not even around when Auscision started to offer discounts on pre orders of their products.
SRM Released their U boats in 2011.

Auscision offered N class at a discount pre order price back in 2008/9 so I think the correct statement would be Auscision have been offering discounted Pre order prices on products before SRM even produced any products.Were SRM even around in 2009 ?
Also Auscision offer locos at $250.00 while the SRM will be $295.00 pre ordered which is the normal Auscision price.
The SRM discount is 10% compared to Auscisions 15% and Auscision do not put a time limit on pre orders as long as you order before model arrives you get the discount.

Auscision have produced plenty of locos and we know what we get with their products but SRM have yet to produce any locos so its a big unknown what quality their locos will be.
2LaGrange

I'd have though by now all regulars here know I check my facts before posting anything!

Auscision first offered a "pay in full discount" effective 1/1/13 for upcoming models (The pay in full discount option was not, and still is not, applicable to those models already available to pre order before 1/1/13. look at the current XPT order form for confirmation). Refer to blog entry 1/1/13 for confirmation of the prepay in full policy. For all Auscision models available to pre order before 2013 your pre-order locked in a final delivery price, in some cases this was the same as the final price, in other cases there was a price rise once the models became available "off the shelf'. If you decided to pay in full early under the old system you gained no further benefit.

Southern Rail first offered a "pay in full" discount, on top of any "pre-order deposit locks in a lower delivery price offers" for 2nd run U-boats in December 2011, refer to their 24/12/11 blog entry. Further "pay in full" discounts were offered on the explorer and v/locity by March 2012 (another 10% off the pre-delivery pricing). Southern Rail had offered pre-delivery deposit price reductions from day 1.  The FACT, as shown by the blog entries and online order forms noted above, is Southern Rail also offered pay-in-full discounts over a year before Auscision which is exactly what my previous statement said.

As of this moment Auscision offers a deposit lock in pricing, or a discounted pay in full pricing, with the after delivery pricing possibly more than the lock in amount and no guarantee the discount or lock in prices will remain the same before delivery unless you've already placed your pre-order (xpt being a perfect example of a lock-in price rise). Southern Rail offer the same types of lock-ins, and are also offering a further discount for fully paid multiple orders (equating to another 10% off the discount valid until June2015) - yes that extra discount offer will soon expire but that does not mean other special discounts won't also be offered at a later date. The Explorer & V/locities have both had multiple short duration pre-delivery discounts on top of the original discount pricing, and I also note Southern Rail even backdated their first U-boat discount so those who'd pre-ordered early weren't penalised (again refer blog 24/12/11).
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Further information about the Spirit Club membership and what you get - http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/16th-july-2014-southern-spirit-club-car
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Further information about the Spirit Club membership and what you get - http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/16th-july-2014-southern-spirit-club-car
Poath Junction

Sorry but you are wrong I have an order form for the N class infront of me that clearly states that a discount is obtained for paying a deposit (not pay in full though ) that is from 2008/9 and the price if a deposit was paid was $275.00 as opposed to $295.00 once the models arrived.

The only thing that SRM are the first to do is get people to pay to help market their brand name by paying for the right to get a discount on their products and wear a silly hat and T shirt.

So my point still stands that the FACT is Auscision have been offering discounts on pre orders before SRM even came on the scene as a model producer and they do not put time limits on when payment must be made by to get that discount be it a pay in full which is how they do it now or with previous locos where just a deposit was required on pre orders to get a discount.

I was told the reasons Auscision have moved to encourage full payment on pre orders was obviously firstly to reward loyal customers who buy direct through them,so they can gauge how many locos to do in a production run so they do not get stuck with a lot of stock,analysing the pre orders also gives them a idea of which particular version is the most popular and production numbers can be altered to reflect the demand and also prefer full payment as opposed to deposits as there is less administration involved compared to deposits and part payments ect.

I find it strange that SRM are talking about a second run of the L class when they do not even have tooling samples or even factory drawings to promote the loco.I would have thought it would be better to promote the 1st run then see how it goes and look at a second run.

Personally I do not see the XGAYs Grain hoppers being good sellers but that's just my opinion.

I hope they lift their standards with the L and upcoming cement hoppers as I was disappointed with their efforts on the sleeper wagons and their tank wagons were not the best either.

Great to see someone take on doing the L class.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Their argument of the included merchandise value is rubbish. You're just a walking billboard for them, and they are enticing you to wear them to exhibitions.

FACT is I can get a better (10%) discount for $22 per year from HobbyCo and I don't have to advertise for them, AND it's not just for SRM products.

$60 worth of merchandise that cost them $8 to produce, it's like the 'bargain' showbags at the Royal Easter Show.

I also love their story about the 'Loyal Customer' that purchased from them at an exhibition, but because of their lack of paperwork he (and they!) missed out on the 'special deal'. I've bought direct from them (mail order) and never heard of a 'loyal customer' discount!

Paul
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

BTW, not knocking SRM's products. I've got my fair share of Xplorers/Endeavours, Uboats, Sleeper Wagons, etc. already and Vlocities on order with my dealer of choice.

Paul
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Sorry but you are wrong I have an order form for the N class infront of me that clearly states that a discount is obtained for paying a deposit (not pay in full though ) that is from 2008/9 and the price if a deposit was paid was $275.00 as opposed to $295.00 once the models arrived.

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2LaGrange

Your statement which started this debate was "If you want to reward your loyal customers I think Auscision have a better set up,if you are willing to pay in full upfront for pre-orders on locos you pay $250.00 rather than the after delivery price of $295.00 that's about a 15% discount and you don't have to pay any membership fees. ". ie You were talking about 'pay in full' discounts and I responded with the information confirming Southern Rail offered that option a year before Auscision, and without needing to pay any fees. The N class orders offered no discounts for paying in full early, a fact you confirm above - paying a deposit or paying in full early was the same price. Southern Rail still offer pay in full discounts without any membership fees. Those wishing to join the Spirit Club (for a fee) then gain access to further discounts on their chosen payment method.

BTW I too have the N class order form in front of me (my archived copy of 'pay in full now' orders from 2007 no less), it does not mention discounts anywhere. It has a price for pre-delivery orders, and an increased cost noted for off the shelf orders. Quite different to the post 1/1/13 order forms that do note a discount for paying in full.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Well we are splitting hairs now but i make the point that isnt offering a cheaper price if you pre ordered the N class a discount ???
You paid 275 rather than 295 thats a discount in my eyes and that was written on the N order form.If it was pay in full or a deposit who cares and i have listed the reasons why they now do pay in full deposits,the fact remains Auscision have been offering discounts to pre ordering customers for a long time.
Auscision now offer the best value locos and as said several times now and you get that discount without having join some club to get the best discounted pre order price.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Agree with a couple of comments here. First thought is that its nothing but a marketing ploy by SRM. 5% discount on products with a minimum $75/year subscription. You would have to buy a minimum of $1,500/year of products to break even - or $3,000/year for the $150/year Gold Membership. Agree the current system operated by Auscision with their substantial discount for fully paid orders (which you can make right up until the models arrive - as opposed to the Eureka scheme with early cutoff dates) is the preferred way of rewarding loyal repeat customers.

Tony
brissim

Spot on Tony Very Happy
Cheers
Rod
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
The Spirit Club info page and related blog entry has been amended to clarify the membership costs, in particular the renewal costs for yearly plans which were omitted earlier. The $300 platinum plan is $300 covering 5yrs, not $300 per year. The Gold plan would cost a total of $350 over 5yrs ($150 + 4 x $50 yearly renewal). Bronze renewal is $25py so total would be $175 ($75 + 4 x $25) over a 5yr period.
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

Market forces will ultimately prevail. As grateful as I am for the L class I hope that the membership scheme is not a success. Who knows what the next 'members only' model will be, necessitating customers to pay additional, unwanted fees in order to make a purchase?
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Market forces will ultimately prevail. As grateful as I am for the L class I hope that the membership scheme is not a success. Who knows what the next 'members only' model will be, necessitating customers to pay additional, unwanted fees in order to make a purchase?
wagrttn

I wonder if having "members only" models makes more limited liveries/variation viable? i.e. if there's only going to be a small demand for a specific livery/variation, the membership fee may go some way to make it more viable.

But as you've said, the customer will decide.
  1213Driver Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Western Australia
So, Southern Rail has chosen to demonstrate their gratitude to the modellers who have supported them by devising a process by which the only way an L class in a highly desirable scheme can be purchased from them is for a total outlay of $410, instead of the standard $325 per item. The purchaser can then in turn display their gratitude to Southern Rail for necessitating this extra expense by wearing company merchandise to model clubs and shows thus promoting the company for free.

Gee... thanks...
wagrttn


Have to say im in agreeance here!

Im an S Scale modeler of the WAGR and as an S scale modeler I dont have much need for the smaller scale items.

I have pre-order purchased, one model only of the early livery WAGR "L" class as like most Australians I too have a rake of silver lima passenger cars in HO for which it would be nice to have the correct locomotive at the pointy end when I choose to run them on my layout. I have no need for multiples of the model as they will not turn a wheel very often.

As an S scale modeler of the WAGR I can honestly say I have no interest whatsoever in any of the other products that Southern Rail produce other than the L class and so why would I want to join up when there is nothing of interest for me to get any value through the so called discounts from their limited range.

However I like most West Australian modelers would have most certainly purchased another model if L268 was to be done in the livery which they have now chosen to be a limited edition to members only.

By choosing to make L268 a limited edition model, I believe Southern Rail have just limited their own sales capability of this model which as described elsewhere here is "Must Have" loco. This model livery of 268 would fly off the shelves of WA hobby stores. It was popular as a prototype and it would be highly desirable to any model train nut in WA regardless of the scale or era.

I wont be joining their club, and I wont be wearing their Junk and quite obviously they wont be getting to sell me another model that I would have been prepared to shell out $$$ for.

To entice a few, they will loose out big time financially.

Silly move Southern Rail
  trawny Train Controller

Location: Victoria
Well we are splitting hairs now but i make the point that isnt offering a cheaper price if you pre ordered the N class a discount ???
You paid 275 rather than 295 thats a discount in my eyes and that was written on the N order form.If it was pay in full or a deposit who cares and i have listed the reasons why they now do pay in full deposits,the fact remains Auscision have been offering discounts to pre ordering customers for a long time.
Auscision now offer the best value locos and as said several times now and you get that discount without having join some club to get the best discounted pre order price.
2LaGrange

Poath is right. The Auscision scheme currently offered for new release models only offers a discount if you pay in full. Eg. Pay $250 in full prior to delivery or $295 post delivery or pay a deposit only and pay $295 in total.

The N Class was available to lock in the 'pre delivery' price with only a deposit.

Now since the change in scheme I have not pre ordered because it is difficult to justify fully paying something off so far in advance. Much easier to budget they also removed the installment scheme which I for one would be interested in. I'm sure there are other people who don't have this issue because Auscision have continued it and SRM offer a similar scheme.

Anyway. Back on topic.

I'm quite interested in the Southern Spirit Club Car scheme. While the debate about merch value could go on forever I think its an interesting idea. Quite similar to Classic Carlectables that offer a membership service where for $45 you get a 1:43 scale members exclusive Holden or Ford and the option to buy members only special release models. It is obviously successful as the website shows members cars back to 2001. http://www.classiccarlectables.com.au/index.php?id=3
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
V/LOCITY & VSA TANK CAR UPDATE
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/26th-july-2014-vlocity--vsa-tank-car-update
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner
  LaidlayM Chief Commissioner

Location: Research
I got my 1954-61 COR (VSA13) tankers today. They will decent models with a bit of weathering but the Eureka tankers look to be better quality. Nice smaller couplers on the SRM but wide 110 wheels. Gap where the ends fit on the tanks is obvious, maybe because of the silver colour against the Eureka black. White shunter steps and handrails has gotta be wrong (they look black on the website), similar to Austrains mistake on the I truck and others.

Mark
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
30/9 blog update - http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/30th-september-vlocity--npry--exhibitions
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
4/11 update - http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/4th-november-2014-product-updates
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
29/11 update. Appears Santa didn't have room in his sleigh for the Vlocities.
http://www.southernrailmodels.com.au/article/29th-november-2014-vlocity--npry--trackside-updates

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