Auscision Models Blog

 
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway

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  anzac1959 Chief Commissioner

Just imagine all these painted locos coming out soon
86
45
46
LDP
43
XPT
looks like they are ready to go
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.

Facebook updates:
various XPT sets getting close to sellout.
BRM T class sample (modern era)
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

The pre-sell out deal is becoming more regular.
The thing is how long does it take before a second run occurs? If the 422's are anything to go by it would be quite some time.

Nice Modified T !
  2LaGrange Train Controller

The pre-sell out deal is becoming more regular.
The thing is how long does it take before a second run occurs? If the 422's are anything to go by it would be quite some time.

Nice Modified T !
5711

Auscision have done a few re-runs.NQIW con flats and NHFF coal hoppers for example.
They have stated previously that if they do a re-run they are pushing an upcoming model aside to get a production slot in their factory so I can understand that their priority is to get all these new locos out before re-runs.

The XPT has been available to pre-order for 5 Years so I think we have all had plenty of time to save up to pre-order.
Auscision have also recently stated on face book that they need to set production volumes up to 9 months prior to delivery and that once those numbers are set they can not change them.

They stated that pre-orders helped them decide production volumes and is why they encourage pre-orders.
I can understand them not wanting to get stuck with heaps of stock so they only produce enough for pre-orders plus an extra percentage for shops and late pre-orders.

Comments not aimed at you 5711 but I think some people on here think Auscision and other manufacturers have a massive money tree out the back they use to finance huge production runs so they can keep stock for 10 years.
Any business these days that had a business model that kept heaps of stock would go belly up quickly these days,its just an economic reality of the times we live in.

They are running a business and the last time I checked were not a registered charity.

If people can not afford to pre-order then its simple you may miss out and have to wait for a re-run.
Most items are available to pre-order for over 1 year so surely most could afford to save up $60-$100 for a deposit in that time period.
If you do not like pre-ordering then that's fine but you may miss out.
Its not like your missing out on for example on a vital medical device to keep your child alive,they are model trains get over it and get a tissue.

I agree the Modern T class looks great as do the 46,86 and 45 class painted samples they have recently displayed and can not wait for them to get here.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

There really is no excuse for anyone (such as those over on Facebook) whinging about missing out in particular on the XPTs. As 2LaGrange has said, the XPT has been available for order for 5 years now and it (the XPT) was I recall the last of those models where you could reserve your order at the final cost with just a deposit (in the case of the XPT is was $200 deposit for the then final price of $895). Unlike the models that followed the XPT, a fully paid discounted price was not available. So no real excuse. And how many times has it got to be said - pre-orders and deposits are the only way Auscision (or any manufacturer/importer) can judge the size of any model run and the breakdown of liveries/versions etc.

Tony
  a6et Minister for Railways

The biggest issue in all of this is the long wait for models, in the past & still going on is the complaints over the extended delays to models, the common ones at this point of time is the Eureka 40cl & TOR 48 class, each going on for something akin to 6 years or so, the former has had both running & painted samples for that time, TOR has had no such samples as yet that have been shown.  Many put down deposits, & paid fully for those models, the amount of when they will arrive etc has been a circus event as to the questimations that keep coming.

While much of the problem has not been the fault of the companies but directly the problem associated with the old China factory issues, many have had a lot of money tied up & are reluctant to place orders for new models no matter who the company is.  Saying that the XPT has been advertised now for around 5years & there has been open orders taken & still no genuine time frame for their arrival adds to the concerns of those who may want them.  This whole issue has & is also I would suggest affecting Auscision as well, owing to the reluctance for modellers to outlay money on something that has the length of a piece of string associated with it.

Even the enducement of a $50.00 saving makes it hard especially with no arrival date given.  No doubt Auscision & others are suffering as a result of the buyers reluctance in the pre-order dept, especially when to get the discount one has to pay completely up front for it, then sit back & wait, but again how long is the wait, when for many it becomes a weight instead, a burden to have money tied up that could be used on other items, especially when the weight is long.

I am one of those who have been & still am a supporter of the EB discount as well as the time payment option that Eureka still offers, but I am also no longer taking advantage of it for other models until I see a bit more reliability in the overall system, & I am not alone on that.  

If as Auscision has indicated or at least as 2LaGrange posted that they have to give 9 months notice re numbers etc for the production slot, I would think that if modellers who were interested in a specific model had some idea that the model was in the production slot for a specific period of time, say 1st, 2nd quarter etc, & they could feel a degree of certainty over that, then its more than likely more would place orders, both fully paid & deposits.

EG: Having the 45cl painted samples arrive gives an idea that they are not far off the production line, provided that they are accepted by Auscision, then they would be able to give a fairly reliable time frame of their delivery, & at the same time for their benefit announce not just on Achebook but also on their blog, a closing off date for the discount price with the modeller having an idea of their approximate arrival.

The thing is, that the protracted time frame of having money tied up for years, with the uncertainty associated with it is what the problem is, & more often than not its also not the importers fault either, except when the PR is terrible.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Some valid points with Eureka and Trainorama taking so long to produce models but I think Auscision have a good track record of producing models,just look at their website and see how much product they have produced over the last 5 years.

I do not understand why people require Auscision to put posts on their blog,it takes more time to update a website where as a facebook post takes very little time and that's why they do it that way.

You do not need to be on facebook to see the posts,when you go on their website simply click on the FB icon rather than the blog icon.. simple.

I have no problem paying in full or placing deposits with Auscision in particular as they usually do not take orders until they have a tooling sample which assures me the project will go ahead.

Eureka is a different story,very little communication from them and lots of future projects but not many tooling samples ect.

As for tying money up with Auscision you do not have to pay in full,you do get a better price if you do but you can still pay a deposit so not so much money is tied up.

Auscision do not lose out by a percentage of the market being reluctant to pre-order only the people who do not pre-order lose out by missing out if a model sells out prior to arrival.
They will produce enough models to cover tooling and production costs and any extra they produce is a bonus to their bottom line.
High demand for a model that has sold out before arrival is also an incentive for them to do a re-run....another plus for them.

As I have said before pre-order if you do not want to miss out and if you do not and miss out its no ones problem but your own.

We may all want everything but can not afford it so I guess we just have to prioritise what we must have and what we can do without.
  Titfield Locomotive Fireman

It is not uncommon these days to see US models sold out long before they are delivered. Anyone that thinks that they can hang around waiting till they see it in the flesh may and most likely will miss out particularly with any of the better manufacturers. As some have already said, if you want it you need to commit a deposit and you will get it. Most businesses these days keep minimal stock on the shelf. You can look at this two ways. Commit and buy it, if you don’t like it sell it off and you will probably make a small profit. If you don’t want to commit and miss out you can always pay over the top for a model from Ebay. There is more than one enterprising person that has worked out that if you buy several of each and resell them later you can end up with a few “free” models.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Some valid points with Eureka and Trainorama taking so long to produce models but I think Auscision have a good track record of producing models,just look at their website and see how much product they have produced over the last 5 years.

I do not understand why people require Auscision to put posts on their blog,it takes more time to update a website where as a facebook post takes very little time and that's why they do it that way.

You do not need to be on facebook to see the posts,when you go on their website simply click on the FB icon rather than the blog icon.. simple.

I have no problem paying in full or placing deposits with Auscision in particular as they usually do not take orders until they have a tooling sample which assures me the project will go ahead.

Eureka is a different story,very little communication from them and lots of future projects but not many tooling samples ect.

As for tying money up with Auscision you do not have to pay in full,you do get a better price if you do but you can still pay a deposit so not so much money is tied up.

Auscision do not lose out by a percentage of the market being reluctant to pre-order only the people who do not pre-order lose out by missing out if a model sells out prior to arrival.
They will produce enough models to cover tooling and production costs and any extra they produce is a bonus to their bottom line.
High demand for a model that has sold out before arrival is also an incentive for them to do a re-run....another plus for them.

As I have said before pre-order if you do not want to miss out and if you do not and miss out its no ones problem but your own.

We may all want everything but can not afford it so I guess we just have to prioritise what we must have and what we can do without.
2LaGrange

I understand all of what you are saying, & basically do not disagree. The thing is that its hard to asses when as I mentioned the XPT's have been listed for some time now, & while only a deposit required, & holds the model you want & at that price, that also applies to others, such as Eureka who accept deposits for the 2nd discounted amount, with full payment due when the model finally arrives, although TOR & Austrains have now stopped taking pre-orders or deposits owing to the flack they have copped in the past, & usually they too produce sufficient numbers to cater for most wants.

As I also mentioned others have money siting in the accounts of other producers, & often not an easy job to get a refund, to swap across to Auscision or another competitor, Auscision also charges a cancelation fee as well as a change of order fee, so some incentive is lost.

The problems of others, has affected all producer/importers one way or another, & only improvements to those earlier problems will see faith restored.  I for one do want a 43cl but I would like to have a rough idea when they might arrive, thus my suggestion is that if Auscision based on their pre knowledge of production line scheduling should be able to provide an idea of which quarter the various models should arrive, that is without any unforseen problems.

The aspect of achebook is certainly true that you do not need to be a member of to view the page, blogs were set up with the ease of post & comment/feedback being possible, that is on top of the primary web site. To me the 3 levels of working through to find out anything is like working with corporations or governments who like to blind information at deep levels to provide a discentive for people to search.  There are a lot of people out there, that are not on achebook or have tried getting off it for ages after falling victim to accepting an invitation to belong to a group only to find you end up joining achebook without any indication of it.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

The most recent and up to date information will be on Auscisions face book page,as i said you dont have to be a member and its one click from the front website page how simple is that,the blog will just have duplicated info from the face book page.
I am sure if Auscision had a crystal ball they would  give us an exact delivery date but they carnt thats why things like the 43 for example are expected in 2015 but thats as precise as they are willing to predict and your going to get from them a statement like "43 will be here 3rd Q 2015" If thats not good enough then dont pre-order and miss out.
I have changed orders with Auscision and never been charged,i think its more to deter time wasters from changing their mind and cancelling orders.
Personally i like to pay up front on a pre-order to get the discount if i can afford to buy at the time,if not i miss out.
Also no bill when they arrive and they get here when they get here no amount of complaining is going to speed up the delivery,its not like they deliberatley delay projects just to get complaints from customers about delays.
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

My comment was merely an observation and not a complaint.
I agree that sufficient time has been given to all people to at least get a deposit in before they arrive.
I've already secured my XPT and 86's with just a few 46's to go and I'm a happy man.

My observation is that the quality of these Auscision releases and their positive business ethic is attracting customers and creating a healthy demand for their product....which in turn means more investment in future releases and reruns etc.....
  a6et Minister for Railways

The most recent and up to date information will be on Auscisions face book page,as i said you dont have to be a member and its one click from the front website page how simple is that,the blog will just have duplicated info from the face book page.
I am sure if Auscision had a crystal ball they would give us an exact delivery date but they carnt thats why things like the 43 for example are expected in 2015 but thats as precise as they are willing to predict and your going to get from them a statement like "43 will be here 3rd Q 2015" If thats not good enough then dont pre-order and miss out.
I have changed orders with Auscision and never been charged,i think its more to deter time wasters from changing their mind and cancelling orders.
Personally i like to pay up front on a pre-order to get the discount if i can afford to buy at the time,if not i miss out.
Also no bill when they arrive and they get here when they get here no amount of complaining is going to speed up the delivery,its not like they deliberatley delay projects just to get complaints from customers about delays.
2LaGrange

You are totally missing the point in what I have said in each account including achebook as I have already acknowledged the aspect that you can read the front page.  Point being that they have 3 presences on the web, & they have to one way or another update all of them regarding models.

Likewise if they said 3rd or even 4th quarter 2014, that is fine, by me.
Go to the orders page of say the 45cl & others & there in bold red it says  NOTE, an administration fee applies to all orders that are changed or cancelled for any reason.

As you say for you its a personal thing as to what you do, the same for everyone else. I have never said that Auscision delay projects in order to get complaints, likewise the same applies to all the importers, as I could not see them delaying models on purpose.
  2LaGrange Train Controller

No i think your missing my point you only need to look at the facebook link to see the most up to date info,they do not update the blog as often as it must take longer or why wouldnt they update the blog all the time to keep pace with their face book updates.
Whats the use of saying 3rd Q when there are so many things that can cause delays,i think they keep it safe and predict year until model actually goes into production.
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Remember that the advantage of Facebook as a posting forum is that you can receive instant feedback from followers where as the blog you can not.
Although there are many comments that are 'hot air', there is some interesting feedback that can be to Auscisions benefit.
I've sort of given up on the blog and check FB more consistently for the latest developments - to bad Austrains and Trainorama don't use the same method.

Its a trap when you 'intend' to get a model then 12 months pass by, you forget to pre-order and then the painted samples arrive and your fumbling around trying to get your finances organised to buy xxx amount of rollingstock that literally can break the bank!! That just requires better planning.

I do agree though if all those models turn up within 6 months its going to be a struggle to keep up!
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Looking at these photos, it dawned on me that these are going to need a 'voice'.

Advertised as 'DCC Ready with 21 Pin Socket' & 'Sound Ready', what decoder and sound files are people planning to install into them to bring them to life?

Obviously no 46's running at this time to record...

Paul
FirstStopCentral


Same goes for the 86 class.....

Perhaps someone enterprising could make a suitable "sound file" to replicate the electric traction noise from all the "whining" currently going on in the Auscision forum on Railpage....

Regards,

Catchpoint
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Auscision generally post on 'FaceAche', 'AcheBook' (or whatever) when they are running low on particular variants of a pending release. This represents a great cue to fully commit, receive the EB price and not tie up your fortunes for excessive time frames. Simple

As for 'the flack they have copped in the past' - hopefully few of you will experience just how difficult it is to recover monies when a 'producer' not only decides to sever trade with a customer but also refuses to refund what is rightfully yours. He who laughs last...

Fortunately Auscision is a reputable trader wrt both product quality and business conduct/ethics so in this instance, hesitate not
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
... Fortunately Auscision is a reputable trader wrt both product quality and business conduct/ethics so in this instance, hesitate not
gw0071


In my experience I agree. When it comes to delivery delays Auscision is in the same boat as all the rest.
If I'm keen on a particular model I don't mind paying upfront. Typically they offer a discount on the after-delivery price which suits me fine Smile
  a6et Minister for Railways

No i think your missing my point you only need to look at the facebook link to see the most up to date info,they do not update the blog as often as it must take longer or why wouldnt they update the blog all the time to keep pace with their face book updates.
Whats the use of saying 3rd Q when there are so many things that can cause delays,i think they keep it safe and predict year until model actually goes into production.
2LaGrange

Without wanting to continue this aspect with the thread.  I had already said that I was able to look at the front page of achebook, so that is not an issue for me.  The aspect of say eg:3rd quarter or other was something you had mentioned as a result of the post saying that Auscision had the slots marked up or something 9 months ahead, so they would have an idea of the time aspect of the time for a model to arrive after it goes into production.

I tend to look at it, that once the painted samples have arrived then the models are sort of imminent, & that is likely a good time for an approximation of delivery time to be given, that allows us the modeller to set his overall financial situation into position, have I got the money now or not to save on the reduced offer or just pay the deposit.

Anyway. I just noted some new photo's of the 46cl posted on their book page, each showing single models, from what I could tell from those photos, especially those with the original colour scheme of 4601 & then the one from 64 onwards 31, you can see the profile on the front that I was previously referring to, its not so obvious though on the other schemes.  As I said at first the angle of the photo's was likely the problem.
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
(in part)

As you say for you its a personal thing as to what you do, the same for everyone else. I have never said that Auscision delay projects in order to get complaints, likewise the same applies to all the importers, as I could not see them delaying models on purpose.
a6et

Col
I don't believe any manufacturer is going to misread the feedback from its customers, or in this case the lack of feedback. You said quote "as I could not see them delaying models on purpose." In fact I can see all the manufacturers doing just that.

A good example is the XPT from Auscision. How long ago did they announce it? Must be 5 or 6 years?? Too lazy to read back through all the threads here, but it does feel like a real long time Sad My guess is that few wrote about it, my memory is that it was always the same "few" who did. I suspect strongly that few ordered it and it was a last ditch attempt to prove if the sales were there, that made them announce price rises of over $1100 for a 5 car set (?) Then change it to a 7 car set. I believe I remember that now both power cars are NOW motorised? Sorry not wanting one I have only quickly browsed over and my memory might not be true.However my point is Auscision never told us what the delays were, or why they made changes, did they?
I did hear someone say that running a 13 car Aurora was going to cost an arm and a leg and going on today's pricing of the XPT I can only agree. And that's a train (13 car Aurora) I will run if it gets here in the next 10 years.
Auscision have not completely escaped the Chinese Syndrome, but their handling of customers has definitely been excellent and that is probably a good reason why they escape all the angst Very Happy
Similar things could be said about the very long lead time on the 422, and Auscision also blamed the very small production run on lack of any idea what people wanted. Again I would blame this on lack of interest and orders. Perhaps it is a mistake not to put orders up on their sites as expressions of interest. I certainly do not put deposits down till the engineering sample shows a manufacturer is committed. But I would submit an order without deposit, to be committed to when Auscision decide to notify us the model was now in the system and would need deposits to guarantee the order, perhaps when the engineering sample is available to show off?
Cheers
Rod
  2LaGrange Train Controller

46 class and 422 class have also taken quite a few years to develop.

I do not believe Auscision would deliberately delay the XPT.
Why would they delay it and risk another manufacturer beating them to it.

Also if you ask them they will tell you what the major issues with the XPTs has been,i asked them and was told the following at Thornleigh show.
Besides the usual delays caused by current issues in all Chinese factory's.
Art work is quite complex and technical issues with strobe lights on locos.
Original tooling samples of the cars were missing fluting down sides of cars.
They also had to re-tool underside of cars for different coupler system to get around the average modelers curves.
Originally no interior detail was planned for the cars due to mirror finish of windows but they will now have interior detail.
2nd loco is now powered due to concerns about running set backwards causing derailments.
The price rise only affects new orders after the weekend of same Thornleigh show in may.
Price rise reflects the increased costs associated with interiors and extra powered loco and is a bonus to those that pre-ordered before price rise.

As far as i am aware the format of packs has never changed. 5 cars plus 2 locos that are both now powered.

I also doubt they would delay a project due to financial reasons,they dropped the T class on the market unannounced and have tooled quite a few other locos unannounced with no pre-orders until tooling was complete so i do not think they need deposits/pre-orders to finance projects unlike another manufacturer that appears to.
I agree Auscision are by far the best communicators to their customers.
I just look at what each manufacturer has produced over the last 5 years and Auscision have consistently produced models over this period, Austrains have done well but i give Trainorama and Eureka a big F.
  a6et Minister for Railways

46 class and 422 class have also taken quite a few years to develop.

I do not believe Auscision would deliberately delay the XPT.
Why would they delay it and risk another manufacturer beating them to it.

Also if you ask them they will tell you what the major issues with the XPTs has been,i asked them and was told the following at Thornleigh show.
Besides the usual delays caused by current issues in all Chinese factory's.
Art work is quite complex and technical issues with strobe lights on locos.
Original tooling samples of the cars were missing fluting down sides of cars.
They also had to re-tool underside of cars for different coupler system to get around the average modelers curves.
Originally no interior detail was planned for the cars due to mirror finish of windows but they will now have interior detail.
2nd loco is now powered due to concerns about running set backwards causing derailments.
The price rise only affects new orders after the weekend of same Thornleigh show in may.
Price rise reflects the increased costs associated with interiors and extra powered loco and is a bonus to those that pre-ordered before price rise.

As far as i am aware the format of packs has never changed. 5 cars plus 2 locos that are both now powered.

I also doubt they would delay a project due to financial reasons,they dropped the T class on the market unannounced and have tooled quite a few other locos unannounced with no pre-orders until tooling was complete so i do not think they need deposits/pre-orders to finance projects unlike another manufacturer that appears to.
I agree Auscision are by far the best communicators to their customers.
I just look at what each manufacturer has produced over the last 5 years and Auscision have consistently produced models over this period, Austrains have done well but i give Trainorama and Eureka a big F.
2LaGrange

Couple of aspects here, there had been serious talk that Southern models were going to produce the RUB sets, then 45cl & the SA, also there was reason to understand they were also looking at the XPT's.  TOR was certainly looking at the 45, L & others, it was on their list for quite some time.

Out of the importers that deal from Chinese factories, Auscision has been fortunate in that the one or 3 as has been said in other areas factory that they use has not, at least from any known reports suffered in the same way as the primary opposition that has been seen with SDK, a very good reason why they have been more consistent than the others.

As for the delay, purposed or not, go back in the threads & its something another poster put up before I mentioned it.

The thing is that its possible to announce a model that is on their to do list but perhaps not confirmed as a positive to be done, something that others have done, openly such as Austrains on more than one occasion with the 20cl, which is cancelled owing to lack of sufficient numbers for it to proceed.

The XPT was as you said initially advertised as one Power car & a dummy, & now powered as suggested.

I did read somewhere & IIRC it was from Auscision themselves that they were not happy about the delay & time it took for the 422 to arrive, & that it was their longest project yet, quite understandable, likewise the 46cl has been a longer term arrival as well, but not as long as the 422.
  FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

Poath Junction must be away on holidays...

(Here's my big chance)


So, Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls, and anyone else I may have missed, without further ado...


Auscision announce the SSR Class Locos in Limited Edition Twin Packs (100 Sets Only).

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Auscision-Models/136260326407914


(That was fun)

Paul
  Factory_Fill Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne VIC

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