Labor dumps (white elephant) East-West Link pledge

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/labor-to-dump-eastwest-link-if-elected-even-if-contracts-are-signed-20140910-10f46z.html

Looks bad for Denis...that's all that needs to be said.

Mike.

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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

As I said in the other thread:
- It has finally sunk in that the ALP might lose several inner city seats to the Greens if he lets E-W Link get built.  The Greens might even hold the balance of power.  WHY did it take Andrews so long to realize this?
- All the experts agree: E-W Link is a dud.
- Even outer suburbia have had a gut-full of crony capitalism and white elephant projects.


Denis is trying to drag out the old "It would be irresponsible and mad to rip up contracts" line.  But I suspect even he recognizes he has backed himself into a corner that will probably cost the LNP the election.


P.S. I am traditionally a  voter who gives the coalition 2nd preferences after independent/other party candidates, and for the second time in my life is contemplating voting informal again as I did in the 1996 state election.  Back then it was the obscenity of Crown Casino and Kennett's ruthless razor gangs, today it is E-W link.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Good. Hopefully Labor honours its promise (I have no doubt they will win).
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Today's announcement has effectively own labor the election.

The coalition have again shot themselves in the foot. They have suffered from the Jeff principle.

If east west link hoes and it should what does this mean for bringing forward the airport rail line ?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

If east west link hoes and it should what does this mean for bringing forward the airport rail line ?
freightgate

The ALP aren't committing to the airport rail link.  They are holding to the original plan of building Melb Metro (under Swanston St) first then they'll think about it.

But Abbott won't fund Melb Metro....  how long is a piece of string?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I was glad to see this (somewhat reluctant) commitment today - even if they did seem forced. Not sure if it will necessarily mean any of their other projects gets off the board though given - as others have already observed - there's no Commonwealth money for anything else.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
As I said in the other thread:
- It has finally sunk in that the ALP might lose several inner city seats to the Greens if he lets E-W Link get built. The Greens might even hold the balance of power. WHY did it take Andrews so long to realize this?
- All the experts agree: E-W Link is a dud.
- Even outer suburbia have had a gut-full of crony capitalism and white elephant projects.


Denis is trying to drag out the old "It would be irresponsible and mad to rip up contracts" line. But I suspect even he recognizes he has backed himself into a corner that will probably cost the LNP the election.


P.S. I am traditionally a voter who gives the coalition 2nd preferences after independent/other party candidates, and for the second time in my life is contemplating voting informal again as I did in the 1996 state election. Back then it was the obscenity of Crown Casino and Kennett's ruthless razor gangs, today it is E-W link.
Carnot

If I was Liberal party - I would just make the East -  West link
as a shadow toll road for cars.

This would be a  vote
winner!

Liberal party now he has  put  ALP in the center of the debate.

Go ahead with the project and then ALP may lose seats in the inner of Melbourne to the greens party

or

Do not go ahead with the project and then chances of losing  or not pick up seats to Liberal in the Eastern Suburbs of Melbourne.

Note: if the state government does not go ahead with the project and then state has hand back 1.5 to 2 billion dollars to the Australia government.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Note: if the state government does not go ahead with the project and then state has hand back 1.5 to 2 billion dollars to the Australia government.
melbtrip

Oh well, that means less money wasted by the federal Government.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Unless Abbott is put under pressure to place the money into the metro rail tunnel ?

Napthine is done.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Unless Abbott is put under pressure to place the money into the metro rail tunnel ?

Napthine is done.
freightgate

Given that he only needs to lose a couple of seats overall, that's probably right.  If the Govt. had a larger majority I would not be so sure.  The trick will be to convince some of the Liberal held sand-belt seats to change, and that may be dubious.  I have spoken to some people from those areas who never use public transport, and who say that the tunnel will be wonderful, much needed, and they can't understand the opposition to it.  Brainwashed by the Hun, no doubt.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Obviously those people don't know how much better good public transport would be at reducing road congestion.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Exactly.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

You guys really need to see the bigger picture..
This tunnel if not built now, will be built later at a greater larger cost.

No-one wanted the CityLink, everyone said it was a waste of money and it would never be used to it's potential....
Well have a look.. every fricken day..

I'm not against Public Transport but i'm all for this tunnel because it truly is the missing link in the road network.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

You guys really need to see the bigger picture..
This tunnel if not built now, will be built later at a greater larger cost.

No-one wanted the CityLink, everyone said it was a waste of money and it would never be used to it's potential....
Well have a look.. every fricken day..

I'm not against Public Transport but i'm all for this tunnel because it truly is the missing link in the road network.
Grosso

I think that a more sensible option if a road was built would be a Bulleen - Rosanna link.  Keeps the freight trucks out of the city.  Anyone done any costings on that?
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
You guys really need to see the bigger picture..
This tunnel if not built now, will be built later at a greater larger cost.

No-one wanted the CityLink, everyone said it was a waste of money and it would never be used to it's potential....
Well have a look.. every fricken day..

I'm not against Public Transport but i'm all for this tunnel because it truly is the missing link in the road network.
Grosso

North East link freeway is more important that East West link. - The link's cost has been estimated at $6 billion

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The state goverment should moving car traffic away from inner city.

East West link - The state Goverment need make a shadow toll road (for cars) and then they will get more votes this way.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
A few points

There is no business case for the tunnel.

It is very very unpopular.

The people have spoken and will voice their opinion at the polls.

The coalition has ignored important public transport projects only announcing many in the last few months. Most of these if not all are not funded.

It amazes me in this day and age how a government could get it so wrong.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
You guys really need to see the bigger picture..
This tunnel if not built now, will be built later at a greater larger cost.

No-one wanted the CityLink, everyone said it was a waste of money and it would never be used to it's potential....
Well have a look.. every fricken day..

I'm not against Public Transport but i'm all for this tunnel because it truly is the missing link in the road network.
Grosso

A Ringwood - Greensbrough route would be better to get the trucks out of the city, and it would connect the east better to where half of them want to go anyway.... Fair whack of traffic heads to the North/Northwest
  Edith Chief Commissioner

Location: Line 1 from Porte de Vincennes bound for Bastille station
By my sums the tolls will only cover 1/4 of the costs of the tunnel.  All non users will be paying for it with other taxes.  If you look at plans for the Port of Hastings, huge numbers of B-doubles and triples will be real traffic for the E-W.  A bad project is still bad even if you get a discount on it.  It will also crowd out better projects that have a better business case
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Next time you see PM Abbott talking from his office in Canberra, have a look directly behind him on his shelf of mementoes. Most prominent is a B-Double in Lindsay Fox transport colours.

This proposed boondoggle road is planned specifically for trucks and incidental motorists travelling from safe Liberal seats to the airport.

Dr Napthine, like our PM is all for roads and PT is for the 'others'.

This decision by Dan Andrews draws a proper line in the sand....Let the people decide as they will in around 80 days and the East-West project will die...or proceed accordingly.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Given that he only needs to lose a couple of seats overall, that's probably right. If the Govt. had a larger majority I would not be so sure. The trick will be to convince some of the Liberal held sand-belt seats to change, and that may be dubious. I have spoken to some people from those areas who never use public transport, and who say that the tunnel will be wonderful, much needed, and they can't understand the opposition to it. Brainwashed by the Hun, no doubt.
Lad_Porter

IF Napthine loses the election then its going to be a terrible loss for the Hun as well considering how long and hard they have been campaigning to get this damn thing built. I can imagine the indignant headlines now; "Voters turn their backs on the future!". At $2 billion per km (at least) it's just way too expensive to be built, there's other things that are more urgent.

I agree with other comments here that perhaps Labor had no choice but to formally ditch the tunnel from opposition or potentially risk losing seats to the Greens; Adam Bandt being re-elected is evidence of how dangerous the situation has become for Labor in the inner suburbs.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I also recall it first being touted as part of Sir Rod Eddington's East-West Needs assessment, while Labor was still in power. That said, I don't think Labor ever wanted it, or they would have built then.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
The way I see it, any project that involves bulldozing even just 8 houses in C*lling**d can only be a good thing. Razz

Personally I was hoping for a bidding war between the two political parties culminating in them both promising to demolish the whole suburb and plough the land with salt so nothing could ever live there again.

However in the absence of such a political contest, I'll vote for the party that promises to demolish even a small part of that suburb.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Could not agree with your comments more mike. Bring on the election for you guys.

Napthine is a dinosaur. A man and a party from another distant past. No where else in the world would a dismal project have public funds committed like this mess.

I really believe now the line is in the sand and Napthine will be a distant memory in a couple of months.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

Andrews has made the statement with the ultimate escape clause.  Very clever.

He takes the easy route either way.

An Andrews Labor Government would tear up the East-West Link contracts if two councils are successful in a Supreme Court case to have the contracts declared null and void.

So, if they win the court case, he walks away from the project with the councils doing the dirty work.

If they lose the case, the East - West Link proceeds and an Andrews Labor Government will point out that they are legally obliged to honour contracts signed before the election, as they have said in their PR statement today.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Andrews has made the statement with the ultimate escape clause. Very clever.

If they lose the case, the East - West Link proceeds and an Andrews Labor Government will point out that they are legally obliged to honour contracts signed before the election, as they have said in their PR statement today.
DalyWaters


IMO the project is dead in the water...

The contract is unlikely to be signed before the election due to Labor not supporting it and the polls showing a likely Labor victory

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