Greens offer rail solution

 

News article: Greens offer rail solution

The Greens will ensure V/line’s plan to increase running times, passenger capacity and service reliability on the Bendigo to Melbourne rail line is costed, funded and implemented, so we don’t end up with a public transport crisis along this line in a few years’ time.

  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
The Greens will ensure V/line’s plan to increase running times, passenger capacity and service reliability on the Bendigo to Melbourne rail line is costed, funded and implemented, so we don’t end up with a public transport crisis along this line in a few years’ time.
Greens offer rail solution


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Does anyone know what this plan entails?

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  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Increase running times?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I think they meant to say 'decrease' running times.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Who cares.  It's the Greens - bound to be something unnecessary and unviable.
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
Good idea. Vote for all the other parties as long as they aren't the Greens, because you know that Labor and Liberals will definitely keep their promises on public and rail transport...!!?!
...like all those other times.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Does anyone know what this plan entails?
railblogger

So I went on their website. So far I've found these:


"...a boost in V/Line train and bus services and re-opening the Goldfields Rail Line between Geelong, Ballarat, Castlemaine and Bendigo."


More details:
http://vicmps.greens.org.au/sites/greens.org.au/files/140616_Goldfields_Rail_Revival_backgrounder.pdf


No idea if they would push for the reduplication of the Bendigo-Castlemaine section of the mainline. Previous press releases focused on the lack of rolling stock and Vline's 20 year plan: http://vicmps.greens.org.au/content/vline-warns-government-regional-rail-link-overcrowding.
  Simbera Train Controller

So I went on their website. So far I've found these:

"...a boost in V/Line train and bus services and re-opening the Goldfields Rail Line between Geelong, Ballarat, Castlemaine and Bendigo."
Carnot


Totally different project, not what's being discussed here.

Supposedly they're referring to a V/Line recommendation that the government has benched, not one of the Greens' own proposals per se. But I haven't been able to find any details from either end (V/Line or the Greens) thus far.
  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
I wonder if any of the inner-north dwelling Greens know that a rail line even goes to Bendigo.

Besides, if they wanted to get to Bendigo, they would drive the Range Rover.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Good idea. Vote for all the other parties as long as they aren't the Greens, because you know that Labor and Liberals will definitely keep their promises on public and rail transport...!!?!
...like all those other times.
DQ2004


RP is full of rusted on ALP/Union blokes, rusted on nationals and the occasional Liberal ideologue. I am not loyal to a particular party, but it always amazes me that the party that most strongly supports public transport out of the 4 significant parties is the one that people bag because of some inaccurate view they have that all Greens are inner city pot smokers.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

I wonder if any of the inner-north dwelling Greens know that a rail line even goes to Bendigo.

Besides, if they wanted to get to Bendigo, they would drive the Range Rover.
QSB6.7


Pretty sure most do. And Range Rover? Wrong stereotype I think.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
RP is full of rusted on ALP/Union blokes, rusted on nationals and the occasional Liberal ideologue. I am not loyal to a particular party, but it always amazes me that the party that most strongly supports public transport out of the 4 significant parties is the one that people bag because of some inaccurate view they have that all Greens are inner city pot smokers.
Mr. Lane

Well, more that the Greens live in cloud-cuckoo land, that they are full of ideologies but never research the practical side of their proposals.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Well, more that the Greens live in cloud-cuckoo land, that they are full of ideologies but never research the practical side of their proposals.
TheBlacksmith

True.  Although it could be argued that most political parties today are full of ideologies and thought bubbles but struggle with the practicalities.

Possibly an outcome of an education system that pumps out thousands of uni grads who have never laid hands on a shovel or a wheelbarrow....
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Possibly an outcome of an education system that pumps out thousands of uni grads who have never laid hands on a shovel or a wheelbarrow....
Carnot


Because manual labor is clearly a prerequisite for entering politics.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Nothing's stopping the Greens providing analytical business cases for their proposals.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
RP is full of rusted on ALP/Union blokes, rusted on nationals and the occasional Liberal ideologue. I am not loyal to a particular party, but it always amazes me that the party that most strongly supports public transport out of the 4 significant parties is the one that people bag because of some inaccurate view they have that all Greens are inner city pot smokers.
Mr. Lane

The difference is that the Liberal, Labour and National parties do form governments, so they have to cost things and deliver them within the wider state budget. A political party that will never get into government can happily promise to increase spending on almost everything, because they'll never have to find the money and balance the state budget.

. . --oo0oo-- . .

I also have to take issue with the stereotype of Green voters that a few people have posted here. I live in an area where I'm surrounded by them. So I can say they don't drive Range Rovers, nor do they smoke pot (well not if they're over 30).

Most of them earn well into six figures annually, they frequently have post graduate qualifications and have usually led rather comfortable lifestyles from childhood, they tend to be a little insulated from country people or people living in unfashionable suburbs.

However they make up for that by being passionately for lower middle class people, third world migrants and country people, even if they've never actually met them. That means their advocacy for those groups of people is not always in line with what, outer suburban battlers, migrants and rural people actually want for themselves. This advocacy of Green voters for demographic groups they don't fully understand is usually backed up with a strong conviction of the worth of their opinions, which can make them appear to be rather self righteous. However while they tend to shout down those who dare disagree with them, their hearts are in the right place and they genuinely believe in the absolute correctness of their views.

So Green Party voters tend to be rich, naive, socially unaware and hold their views passionately. They tend to drive Audis or old Saabs, or if they're especially dedicated to the cause, a Toyota Pious, (but never a Rangie).
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

So Green Party voters tend to be rich, naive, socially unaware and hold their views passionately. They tend to drive Audis or old Saabs, or if they're especially dedicated to the cause, a Toyota Pious, (but never a Rangie).
Bogong

VW Golfs are popular too amongst them.  If they don't have a car or happen to be an Arts student, hipster bicycles are all the rage.  The common denominator is a Marxist education at University which also might help explain the aversion to economic sustainability and doing the hard yards.

Again, while I would never vote Green, their contention that public transport benefits communities more than freeways/tollways has real merit.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Nothing's stopping the Greens providing analytical business cases for their proposals.
ZH836301

Again; why single out the Greens? I suppose you've read through the non-existent business case for the East-West tunnel put up by the Coalition gummint in Victoria. Wait until the ALP weighs in with its ideas. It will be the same as usual. Yet, you bag the Greens. Why? Take the blinkers off.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
VW Golfs are popular too amongst them. If they don't have a car or happen to be an Arts student, hipster bicycles are all the rage. The common denominator is a Marxist education at University which also might help explain the aversion to economic sustainability and doing the hard yards. ...
Carnot

I just received some junk mail from the Green Party, as they have a serious chance of winning my local seat in the forthcoming state election. (North Carlton is in the seat of Melbourne.)

Every one of the transport policies is either pinched off the main parties, is absurdly wasteful or not possible in the real world.

* 50 new trams to address overcrowding and build them right here in Melbourne. Well the Libs are building them right now and the ALP fully support this.

* Deliver 24 hour public transport to Melbourne. Well we already have the nightrider buses. However if they mean trams and trains as well, where are they going to find the money for that? What other areas would they cut to deliver the necessary funds?

* build the long anticipated Doncaster rail. They can build it, but there's no spare capacity to get trains into the city via Jolimont, so if they want to actually run trains, this would require a hugely expensive new line from Hoddle street to the city which would cost much more than the Doncaster line.

* Invest in Metro rail and build new stations in the inner city. Again, this is already policy for both Labour and Liberal. Libs want new stations at Domain and Montague, Labour want them at Domain and Parkville.

* build the airport link train. Already a Liberal project, planning is under way, funds allocated. A done deal if they're re-elected.

* build new cross city tram lines. Already discussed in it's own thread on this forum. The overwhelming view was that it's wasteful of scarce resources and would duplicate a perfectly good (although not heavily used) service that already exists.

* build safe [push] bike paths down dangerous roads. Well they would say that, wouldn't they? I'll let them have that point, but I reckon the space would be of more benefit to more people if it was left as car lanes.
  Peter Spyker Train Controller

Well, more that the Greens live in cloud-cuckoo land, that they are full of ideologies but never research the practical side of their proposals.
TheBlacksmith

Spoken like a person who has never, ever read their policies.

Do us a favour, don't vote at all, if you're not prepared to do a bit of serious research.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Spoken like a person who has never, ever read their policies.

Do us a favour, don't vote at all, if you're not prepared to do a bit of serious research.
Peter Spyker

Hello Peter, where did you come from, you old has-been?

No, I have read their policies, and I stand by what I said... And I will continue to vote, but it won't be for your old cronies, that's for sure.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Bogong, you know full well that the money for the airport rail link is not in the current budget. If it's not in the current budget then it's just a promise - it doesn't have 'funds allocated' as you say; that's something that may or may not happen in next year's budget.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Bogong, you know full well that the money for the airport rail link is not in the current budget. If it's not in the current budget then it's just a promise - it doesn't have 'funds allocated' as you say; that's something that may or may not happen in next year's budget.
don_dunstan

Correct....despite the Libs advertising spiel, the funds for the Airport link are not in the 2014-15 state budget.

Mike.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Hello Peter, where did you come from, you old has-been?
TheBlacksmith

Thinks; is it better to be an old has-been, rather than a never-was?Very Happy
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Whoops, I didn't realise that funds hadn't been formally allocated for the Tulla rail line. Sorry.

However the basic thrust of my point was that the airport line will be built if the Lib/Nats are re-elected. I doubt many people would dispute that. So it doesn't alter my contention that every transport policy on the Green Party blurb that I was junk mailed is either impossible in the real world or ripped off from Labour and Liberal policies or is silly and wasteful.

As someone who lives in a key seat for the Greens and who chooses not to own a car, I was looking for some sensible and original thinking from the Greens on transport. I was disappointed that their junk mailed flyer shows no evidence of that. Sad
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
However the basic thrust of my point was that the airport line will be built if the Lib/Nats are re-elected. I doubt many people would dispute that.
Bogong

If I may quote Mr J McEnroe, "You cannot be serious !" Bogong, you are an object lesson in faith with your trust in politicians promises. I'll believe that a Government will build the airport rail link when the work actually starts, and not before.

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