Millswood Station re-opening 12 month trial

 
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
And you wonder why people call their local train operators names like CityFail and Adelaide Retro.

95% performance on a 5 minute margin is nothing to brag about, even bus operators can hit that if they have competent management who invest in their drivers' training.
This would have to be a contender for the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site, it would seem that those stories about Dubai existing in an alternate reality are true.

The point is that when people look at a timetable they are looking to find out when the trains are running in reality, and they value confidence in the system much more than saving a couple of minutes here and there. The timetable is not the place for printing fantasies about how much faster they could become at some point in the future, that sort of stuff has plenty of opportunity to get out there via posters and press releases websites and project pitches without infecting timetables.
justapassenger

The only thing dumb is people who say its dumb. It would appear 5min is a fairly common bench mark for Australian time networks. Especially if there is DOO that also must assist passengers, mixing with freight services, LX's and dated network design. Run a grade seperated metro with no other services on routes much shorter than what our networks have, things are different. Some U-bahn Metro lines in Europe I caught were less than 10 stations long. In SA, you have a Gawler express missing 18 stations!!! and most of our networks have many suburban lines exceeding 40km. In Europe these are usually called regional services. Adelaide runs from terminus to city terminus. Most of the rest of the countries suburban networks run suburban terminus to suburban terminus meaning the train set services over 30 stations over a route 60-100km long. 95% within 5min, probably isn't all that bad.

Yes, the easiest way to improve your on time performance is to pad it out, like Cityrail did a few years back, you can go from zero to hero in one time table issue and yes ontime and slightly longer journeys maybe popular. But add 5min to each way my daily commute, 500 trips per year or 1250min or 250hr or over 10days a year of my life which after sleeping, work etc is time away from my home life, family kids, hobbies, kicking the dog etc. I'd rather 88% reliability on a 5min faster timetable where the 88% places pressure on the operator and owner to resolve the unreliability.

In some cases the permanent padding is more than validated. ie in Cityrail's case the track speed's to achieve the timetable never existed and I don't believe the red rattlers had speedo's so who knew. It only became an issue after speedos were fitted to trains and later the introduction of the data logger to hang the driver by. So yes fair enough.

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  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
The only thing dumb is people who say its dumb. It would appear 5min is a fairly common bench mark for Australian time networks. Especially if there is DOO that also must assist passengers, mixing with freight services, LX's and dated network design. Run a grade seperated metro with no other services on routes much shorter than what our networks have, things are different. Some U-bahn Metro lines in Europe I caught were less than 10 stations long. In SA, you have a Gawler express missing 18 stations!!! and most of our networks have many suburban lines exceeding 40km. In Europe these are usually called regional services. Adelaide runs from terminus to city terminus. Most of the rest of the countries suburban networks run suburban terminus to suburban terminus meaning the train set services over 30 stations over a route 60-100km long. 95% within 5min, probably isn't all that bad.

Yes, the easiest way to improve your on time performance is to pad it out, like Cityrail did a few years back, you can go from zero to hero in one time table issue and yes ontime and slightly longer journeys maybe popular. But add 5min to each way my daily commute, 500 trips per year or 1250min or 250hr or over 10days a year of my life which after sleeping, work etc is time away from my home life, family kids, hobbies, kicking the dog etc. I'd rather 88% reliability on a 5min faster timetable where the 88% places pressure on the operator and owner to resolve the unreliability.

In some cases the permanent padding is more than validated. ie in Cityrail's case the track speed's to achieve the timetable never existed and I don't believe the red rattlers had speedo's so who knew. It only became an issue after speedos were fitted to trains and later the introduction of the data logger to hang the driver by. So yes fair enough.
RTT_Rules

I am increasingly finding that I agree more and more with RTT Rules. Must be something in the Adelaide water.

What is 5 minutes in the grand scheme of things. I think having a target that allows for external factor's such as TSR's and unplanned assist's would give you a more accurate reflection of your operational capabilities. Mind you, from experience the Sydney timetable in comparsion is that lax, you really shouldn't need (can't tell you how many times where I have sat at Hurstville or Sutherland on a pax service waiting to catch up to the timetable due to built in recovery times...)

If passengers are complaining that they are 5 minutes, perhaps they need to look at their own personal time management abilities.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Similar thread about Melbourne on time performance. Would seem Adelaide is not that far behind.

http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11378959.htm
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Source: AdelaideNow

Give us our privacy back, pleads a track-side resident near Millswood Station



Some residents living near Millswood station are calling for the State Government to install screens to prevent viewers seeing into their homes. Picture: Nicholas Wrankmore.





A MILLSWOOD woman says her family’s privacy has been seriously compromised following an upgrade of Millswood station.

The Transport Department cleared shrubs which formed a barrier between Georgia Loudon’s Varden St house and the Millswood station platform.
The shrubs were removed during a $500,000 upgrade of the station ahead of a 12-month trial reopening from next month.
Commuters on the platform can now see into Ms Loudon’s front yard and lounge room windows.
She called on the department to replant mature plants to ensure her family’s privacy.
“It’s disgusting,” Ms Loudon says.
“I don’t want to be that person to complain, but no one told us what the station was going to end up like.”
She did not want to install curtains or blinds or a new fence.

“We wouldn’t replace the fence because we’ve just spent thousands on a new one in the past 18 months,” she said.
“And we’ve never had to have curtains or shutters and to put them in now would totally close off our living area.”
Transport Department spokeswoman Melissa Martin said a screen would be installed but refused to say whether it would happen before the trail started.
She would not say what materials would be used.
Other Millswood residents have raised concerns with the station’s upgraded lighting and potential parking issues.
Avenue St resident Barbara Giles wanted new lights dimmed to reduce the impact on neighbours.
The department said the upgraded lighting was necessary to meet disability requirements, but might be adjusted when the station opened.
Another Avenue St resident, Wally Szachnowicz, was concerned drivers would use his street as an all-day carpark.
Unley Council chief executive Peter Tsokas said staff would monitor parking during the trial.
“This review will provide guidance on the need, type and extent of parking management measures that may be required,” Mr Tsokas said.
The State Government will record patronage at the station during the 12-month trial before deciding whether to permanently reopen it.


And some of the comments are pretty harsh too Smile
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

People who live in glass houses should get undressed in the dark.

What a load of hog wash! Rolling Eyes

Soon they will complain about extra train noise from the starting and stopping!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
But wait .......... aren't these the people that wanted the station re-opened?
Well wasn't that the line the "re-open Millswood" lobby spun???
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Just looking at Avenue St, towards Millswood Station on Google Earth.



Those trees don't really seem to provide much privacy to the exisitng Shelter. It's just that the old shelter was closed in.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Well wasn't that the lie the "re-open Millswood" lobby spun???
"Pressman"
An extra N crept into the middle of your second line, I've fixed it for you.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Where the people that wanted it opened actually residents of the area though, seems not if all the actual residents can do is complain! Something seems a bit odd here!
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
An extra N crept into the middle of your second line, I've fixed it for you.
"justapassenger"

Thanks JAP, how could that have happened? Laughing
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Where the people that wanted it opened actually residents of the area though, seems not if all the actual residents can do is complain! Something seems a bit odd here!
"David Peters"


Maybe they heard that Heath (Ivan) Loxton was to be the self appointed Station Master!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Thanks JAP, how could that have happened? Laughing
"Pressman"
It's a pleasure to be of assistance.
Maybe they heard that Heath (Ivan) Loxton was to be the self appointed Station Master!
"Pressman"
I'd want a mean dog with big teeth between me and the station if that was the case, not just a privacy screen.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Just looking at Avenue St, towards Millswood Station on Google Earth.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-34.9587438,138.5909101,3a,75y,252.17h,82.78t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sFj7fIssnD7thxS25K1EzXA!2e0

Those trees don't really seem to provide much privacy to the exisitng Shelter. It's just that the old shelter was closed in.
witsend

Thanks for posting link.

This is unbelievable. The station is across the road, its not even backing onto a property and the are complaining about trees being removed between the road and station building which wasn't that thick to start with. The old shelter would have only provided very limited visual protection.

The road has one side as a railway ROW, the users of the railway are entitled to park their cars along the side.

How do these idiots get airtime?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I think the whole thing is a plot to keep this board alive.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I think the whole thing is a plot to keep this board alive.
steam4ian

and lower our collective intelligence ready this drivel from the Millswood residences.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
The road has one side as a railway ROW, the users of the railway are entitled to park their cars along the side.
"RTT_Rules"

To be fair, that section of the street is rather narrow.
Dayum who said that!!!!!

How do these idiots get airtime?
"RTT_Rules"

Must have been a slloooowww news day Laughing
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I originally thought this was a joke thread - that Millswood was re-opening.

Oh well, the money's been spent now so I guess we'll see after 12 or 18 months if it was actually worth it?
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I originally thought this was a joke thread - that Millswood was re-opening.
don_dunstan

It still might be yet... Not so much a joke thread, but a joke all the same.

Oh well, the money's been spent now so I guess we'll see after 12 or 18 months if it was actually worth it?
don_dunstan

Or we could just go with the answer we know to be correct right now? 6 people per day spending $5.10 on a ticket each way (if they're not some form of concession and travelling only in peak times) will leave an after subsidy return on the capex in negative percent.
  torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

Millswood re-opening is a joke - the Belair line service on weekends is miserable and now they have wasted $500,000 or something on re-opening a station that even if people wanted to use on the weekend won't.  
Adelaide Metro in general is a joke, If you have work on a Sunday before 9am getting public transport is almost impossible.  
There needs to be a better service on weekends on the Belair (and other lines) and a much better service on buses also (especially Sundays)
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Was interesting to take a drive past the station today.
All the houses in Varden street facing the station have existing 6' Plus high brush fences!
But maybe if one climbed onto the roof of the new shelter ..........
  62430 Chief Train Controller
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Rather appropriate for the rest of the Belair passengers that it goes under "planned disruption" on the Adelaide Retro website.
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
And Torrens Park remains a Meccano set. Its amazing to think that after all this money was spent, they did not upgrade that dump #priorities
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
6 people per day spending $5.10 on a ticket each way (if they're not some form of concession and travelling only in peak times) will leave an after subsidy return on the capex in negative percent.
Aaron

It could be more than that but not much more.  As someone else already mentioned there are probably more important priorities along the Belair line - from memory at lot of those Outer Harbour stations are in need of $$$ too, some of them are pretty dilapidated.
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
did anyone use the stop today? I went through it "express" (ie. 25 km/h) to and from work today.

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