Grovedale Station

 
  712M Chief Commissioner

Is there a date set for the opening of Waurn Ponds? Also how many trains will service the station before the April 2015 RRL timetable starts?

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  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Is there a date set for the opening of Waurn Ponds? Also how many trains will service the station before the April 2015 RRL timetable starts?
712M

Oct 12th is the date for the new timetable with most Marshall timetabled  V/locity trains extended through.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Oct 12th is the date for the new timetable with most Marshall timetabled V/locity trains extended through.
gomer

Is Epsom station opening on the same day?
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
The future Geelong and Warrnambool timetables at ptv.vic.gov.au don't mention Waurn Ponds at all, but the map in the V/Line annual report indicate that both stations will open this year.
  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Is Epsom station opening on the same day?
railblogger

Yes it does and I think Epsom had two extra services a week day (excluding Echuca services).
  S301 Chief Train Controller

Location: South West Victorian Coast
Seems they may have done a driver training run to the new Waurn Ponds station around 1015 yesterday morning using N469. Was noted back through Geelong after the 1018 up Marshall pass.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

New October timetable for  Waurn Ponds is up on VLP website .  All  Warrnambools stop there.  Basically hourly service in Off Peak  arrive from Melbourne at  11 minutes past the hour and depart for Melbourne at 33 minutes past the hour .  Services in Peak hours limited by single line working beyond Geelong but still not bad .
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
The station opened today and up close it's a pretty nice piece of infrastructure and it has a proper platform to boot! (as opposed to Marshall).

The first train to stop at the new station in revenue service was the morning Down Warrnambool with N457 and a 4 car consist (didn't catch the number) and the first up train was VL50 running solo from Waurn Ponds to Southern Cross. It was also nice to see a good number of buses arriving at the station on their extended routes!
  Bethungra Train Controller

Great.  Are there any photos of the completed station available?
  wxtre Chief Train Controller

Hopefully next they will reopen the Queenscliff line. Geelong could also install a light-rail within the CBD.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Hopefully next they will reopen the Queenscliff line. Geelong could also install a light-rail within the CBD.
wxtre

The Queenscliff line is occupied.
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
It is nicer than Marshall. Long turnaround time on the one I caught. 20 mins.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Hopefully next they will reopen the Queenscliff line. Geelong could also install a light-rail within the CBD.
wxtre

Why?

I honestly think an improved bus service would do far better than both of those.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

At the openingof Waurn Ponds it was revealed that teh station has a number of "casual parking spaces"  !   That is Government "spin" for un-sealed parking spaces !  Travellers from South Geelong and North Geelong are also treated to this wonderful new tarnsport initiative .

From Waurn Ponds the initial tt has trains leaving Southern Cross on the hour arriving at Waurn Ponds  72 minutes later .  That being 12 minutes past the hour with a 21 minute layover before forming the Up at 33 minutes past the hour, and 48 minutes after the hour from Geelong .  The longer run to Waurn Ponds has the Ups taking the Suburban path through Werribee  20 minutes later than previously .

This is an interim measure till full RRL tt with 20 minute frequency comes in 04/15 .  That tt should see alternate trains terminating at South Geelong and Waurn Ponds .  (Viz:  So 20 min Off Peak to stations as far as South Geelong, and 40 minutes  to Marshall  &  Waurn Ponds . ) If an extra turnout were installed at the Down end of South Geelong (so as to create a crossing loop) it should be possible to then run alternate trains to terminate at Marshall &  Waurn Ponds.  To run the 20 minute Off Peak Geelong service will require 9  V/Locity  train sets  !!!
  wxtre Chief Train Controller
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
There were too many cars and people around to get good photos on Sunday.
I was pleased to see that the station has usefull PIDs on the platform as well as a clock, LED lighting, and an indoor waiting room.
There are several new roads next to the station with vacant lots that were sold while the station was under construction.



  Tony M. Locomotive Fireman

Why?

I honestly think an improved bus service would do far better than both of those.
railblogger

It would, but having spent twenty-five years or so taking the buses around Geelong I think the chances of improving the bus service are nil. The City of Greater Geelong (under pressure from retailers who think PT attracts schoolkids and a lower class of consumer) actively don't want buses coming into the CBD - they moved all stops to the fringes of the CBD over a decade ago and only brought them back when the State Government brought out the carrot and stick (the carrot was money for a busport in the CBD, the stick was building it whether they wanted it or not).

So the council centralised *all* of Geelong's bus lines through two stops, removed all the other bus stops in the CBD, then constantly made noises about how the new overcrowded stops they created weren't safe and bus stops needed to (again) be removed from the CBD. Even new Mayor Darren Lyons pledged to remove buses from the CBD... though he seems to have gone quiet on the subject of late.

The bus companies don't care about the quality of service either, as they're subsidised by the State Government to provide a service whether people use it or not (and they make all their money from private school services). And the last time the State Government "invested" in Geelong's bus network, they created new routes by reducing the times on existing ones, so now you're lucky to find any bus route in Geelong with less than a 30 minute wait between buses. So the 2015 20 minute timetable to Melbourne means inter-city trains will run more often than local buses.

Basically, while light rail and reintroducing trains to Queenscliff is crazily expensive and extremely unlikely, they're still far more realistic options for improving PT in Geelong. Any public transport that local government can cut back or eliminate here, they will.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
At the openingof Waurn Ponds it was revealed that teh station has a number of "casual parking spaces"  !   That is Government "spin" for un-sealed parking spaces !
kuldalai

Someone deserves an award for that.  Spinning genious.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Weekday Report  Tuesday  14/10/14.   100  cars in Car park, and 1 bike in the Parketeer cage .  

Station has smallish waiting area for terminal station.  PIDS on platform is of new type where the display shows not only the next departure but the next 3 - 4 departures.     Three passenger shelters along the 180m platform which will hold 7 cars and can be extended to hold 9 by placement of both Up & Down Home signals allow for future extensions already .

Station is ideally sited just off Ghazeepore road with good access via  Rossack Drive from the Grovedale side, and from Sugargum Drive from the Waurn Ponds side .  Also only just off the Geelong Ring Road and a new major  arterial road  linking area to Torquay Road.

From a railway operating point the station placement is ideal  on a slight downgrade .  Up trains have a short upgrade before a falling grade all the way to Marshall .   Down trains ex Marshall have a rising grade from Reserve Road till just before the new station where the grade is topped before gently decending into the new station . For Down Warrnambool trains stopping at Waurn Ponds the falling grade allows for rapid accelleration into a dip on the Down side of Ghazeepore Road before climbing upgrade again to the Cement Works .

The storage siding within the Geelong Signal Control Centre territory is just on the Down side of the Anglesea Road level crossing . It is believed to be long enough to hold 2 x 6 car VL train consists .  

The first weekday of operation on Monday  13/10/14  was considerably disrupted owing to single line constraints, 6 car VL sets full and standing on departure from Geelong, back up coaches and the Up Warrnambool blocked at Camperdown by the Up freight train having broken down .
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Great briefing.

Another successfully station project. 100 cars is testimony to the value of additional stations in Geelong and other regional centres.

Makes me think how south Geelong to Drysdale would probably be as successful.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Great briefing.

Another successfully station project. 100 cars is testimony to the value of additional stations in Geelong and other regional centres.

Makes me think how south Geelong to Drysdale would probably be as successful.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
$250,000 per car.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Makes me think how south Geelong to Drysdale would probably be as successful.
freightgate

Massive price differential between a simple single platform station on an existing and well utilised line, compared with rebuilding a new line over an old reservation, including a high number of grade seperations, and extra dedicated serivices (compared to simply extending existing services). The costs to rebuild to Drysdale would be astronomical.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
...So another thread has been hijacked by users pushing their pointless foam-fest agenda.

Back on topic, I went and had a look at Waurn Ponds station yesterday, I did however observe there was no storage loop/ siding as with Marshall, is this just out of view and further DOWN the line towards the cement works, or has it not been built yet?
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
The siding has been built, Kuldalai has mentioned it a few times.
I posted a couple of photos of it in May.
It's just past the road overpass on the horizon, and if there's a train there you can see it from just outside the station or in the car park.

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