Regional Rail Link Bendigo Wise

 
  prwise Locomotive Driver

Continuing this OT discussion fares do seem very low for what I think is a great service. Have not used Vic PT for over 30 years, but just used first service from Watergardens then first service  to Traralgon. Cost was $18 concession, insanely low I think. Standard of service was excellent although Finders St at 0530 is a challenge. Cold and windswept with only one coffee shop open and a couple of sad aluminium tables to perch at and drink coffee.

It seems a VLine 'Station Assistant' resides on Plat 7 to set off the VLP Traralgon bound sets. Unsure this could not be done by metro for a fee.

Great trip on Vlocity . 6 mins late at Drouin, just one min late into Traralgon after what seemed like some fairly hard driving. Who said VLine drivers are ambivalent about on time running.

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  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
I got charged $11 something from Southern Cross to South Geelong on a Sunday. I think Myki miscalculated my fare. I am hoping next time I touch on, the system will correct this and I will some how make that $4 I got ripped on back.

Most of the time after travelling around the system, a trip from Southern Cross to South Geelong is $1.74. About $16 return is not bad.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Experienced the slow RRL crawl into Southern Cross from Footscray.

You'd have to be off your rocker to think this is not simply a transitionary feature but a permanent one.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
I got charged $11 something from Southern Cross to South Geelong on a Sunday. I think Myki miscalculated my fare. I am hoping next time I touch on, the system will correct this and I will some how make that $4 I got ripped on back.

Most of the time after travelling around the system, a trip from Southern Cross to South Geelong is $1.74. About $16 return is not bad.
Camster

Did you touch off at South Geelong - if not, myki charge default fare for the line ( the peak fare) and which is $11.20 even if it on the weekend.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Also, off-peak fares aren't available on weekends.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Also, off-peak fares aren't available on weekends.
railblogger

Isn't a weekend off peak?   Or is there a special weekend fare?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
No special fare, just the normal (peak) fare.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Also, off-peak fares aren't available on weekends.
railblogger

off-peak fares are available on weekends to both full fare and concessions.


If you do not touch off  and travel on a service that travel more then two zones and then you get a peak fare regardless if you travel in off-peak or in peak time.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I stand corrected.
  big_al Junior Train Controller

Location: Swan Hill
Concession fares, at least on InterCity services are NOT available available off peak on weekends, they are charged the peak fare.
Direct from the online ticketing section of the V/Line Website:


Off Peak Concession/Child tickets are not valid for travel on weekends, so Peak Concession/Child fares apply for the return journey.

regards,
Allastair Blackman
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
Concession fares, at least on InterCity services are NOT available available off peak on weekends, they are charged the peak fare.
Direct from the online ticketing section of the V/Line Website:


Off Peak Concession/Child tickets are not valid for travel on weekends, so Peak Concession/Child fares apply for the return journey.

regards,
Allastair Blackman
big_al

MYKI - concession can get a off-peak fares on the weekend

V/Line paper ticket - concession cant get a off-peak fare on the weekend


MYki - page 43 of the ticket book

Fares for all journeys in 3 or more zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off occurs
within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm and
6pm on a business day.
Customers must touch on and touch off to receive the applicable off-peak discount. The discount for
off-peak travel is 30 per cent (this is applied after any concession discount). Customers who do not
touch on and off correctly will be charged a default fare that is a peak fare.
For customers travelling off-peak, the equivalent peak fare contributes toward the Daily cap, even
though a reduced fare is paid. For example when a full fare customer travels three zones off-peak,
100 per cent of the standard fare will be counted towards the Daily cap even though only 70 per cent
of the standard fare has been paid.

V/Line paper ticket: page 102

Peak/Off-peak ticket conditions
Customers with Off-peak Single and Off-peak Daily tickets may not travel on weekday services
scheduled to arrive in Melbourne (Southern Cross, Flinders St, Richmond or North Melbourne)
before 9am, or services scheduled to depart Melbourne between 4pm and 6pm.
Concession Off-peak Single and Concession Off-peak Daily tickets are not valid for travel on
weekends. Concession customers may use Concession Single or Concession Day Return tickets
on weekends. Full fare Off-peak Single and Full Fare Off-peak Daily tickets are valid (without time
restrictions) on weekends.

I get my information from legal documents : Victoria Gazette - http://www.gazette.vic.gov.au/gazette_bin/search_gateway.cfm?bct=home searchgazettes
S265 Special 08-Aug-2014


other note:  There no such thing as Two hour fare under myki it called Single fare!

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  prwise Locomotive Driver

Continuing this OT discussion fares do seem very low for what I think is a great service. Have not used Vic PT for over 30 years, but just used first service from Watergardens then first service to Traralgon. Cost was $18 concession, insanely low I think. Standard of service was excellent although Finders St at 0530 is a challenge. Cold and windswept with only one coffee shop open and a couple of sad aluminium tables to perch at and drink coffee.

It seems a VLine 'Station Assistant' resides on Plat 7 to set off the VLP Traralgon bound sets. Unsure this could not be done by metro for a fee.

Great trip on Vlocity . 6 mins late at Drouin, just one min late into Traralgon after what seemed like some fairly hard driving. Who said VLine drivers are ambivalent about on time running.
prwise

Just checked account. $12.90 deducted. Would have nearly cost me this much to use city link alone for this trip!. To be honest I would not have flinched if price was double or even triple that. Unsure why fares are so low, but can now partly understand why subsidy per pass is so high.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Ridiculous right.

I find it funny when they cry about upgrades but aren't prepared to cop a fare increase.
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Did you touch off at South Geelong - if not, myki charge default fare for the line ( the peak fare) and which is $11.20 even if it on the weekend.
melbtrip

I did touch off at South Geelong. But thanks for your post, because I did a check on my Myki history and it did say something about resetting my defaut fare. Maybe criss crossing on the city loop without passing a touch on/off point messed things up.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
I did touch off at South Geelong. But thanks for your post, because I did a check on my Myki history and it did say something about resetting my defaut fare. Maybe criss crossing on the city loop without passing a touch on/off point messed things up.
Camster

It should not matter if touch on at a city loop station and travel to Southern Cross then catch the Geelong service without leaving the paid area.

For example - Melbourne Central - you touch on and travel to Southern Cross and then get train at Southern Cross to South Geelong with out leaving the paid area.



It should be a Zone 1 to 4 fare off-peak fare- have you ring or email PTV, ask them a refund yet?

The system should work out : Melbourne Central or any other city loop station is Zone 1 and South Geelong is Zone 4 :


  • If you are travelling between   Geelong (zone 4) and  City Loop station (zone 1),  fare should work out  as the following (4-1+1 = 4 zones).



Off the topic - from Apirl next year - it would be cheaper to travel to Melbourne to Sunshine and then catch the train from Sunshine to South Geelong compare to Melbourne to South Geelong.
Melbourne to Sunshine - $3.58
Sunshine to South Geelong - $6.86
= $10.44
Melbourne to Southern Cross = $11.20

or

Melbourne to Lara : $3.58
Lara to South Geelong : $2.10

$5.68

Note all fares are the current 2014 fares.
  Camster Chief Commissioner

Location: Geelong
It should not matter if touch on at a city loop station and travel to Southern Cross then catch the Geelong service without leaving the paid area.

For example - Melbourne Central - you touch on and travel to Southern Cross and then get train at Southern Cross to South Geelong with out leaving the paid area.



It should be a Zone 1 to 4 fare off-peak fare- have you ring or email PTV, ask them a refund yet?

The system should work out : Melbourne Central or any other city loop station is Zone 1 and South Geelong is Zone 4 :


  • If you are travelling between Geelong (zone 4) and City Loop station (zone 1), fare should work out as the following (4-1+1 = 4 zones).


Off the topic - from Apirl next year - it would be cheaper to travel to Melbourne to Sunshine and then catch the train from Sunshine to South Geelong compare to Melbourne to South Geelong.
Melbourne to Sunshine - $3.58
Sunshine to South Geelong - $6.86
= $10.44
Melbourne to Southern Cross = $11.20

or

Melbourne to Lara : $3.58
Lara to South Geelong : $2.10

$5.68

Note all fares are the current 2014 fares.
melbtrip

What you have said makes sense to me and other times when I have done this there has been no problem. I won't bother asking for a refund, only a small amount of money involved.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
What you have said makes sense to me and other times when I have done this there has been no problem. I won't bother asking for a refund, only a small amount of money involved.
Camster

More people ring or email PTV about been overcharge and then likelyhood PTV will fix the problem up increases.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Went on the 6:08am Up train from Bendigo to SCS this morning.  Timetabled to get to Southern Cross at 8:13am (17 minutes after Footscray).  Arrived at 8:04am.  Yet another case of excessive timetable padding.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

There always has (and probably always will) be some 'make up' time between the last two stops. Unfortunately in a climate where late running equals a fine, this is what happens.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Vline's cost recovery is a pathetic 25%.

No reason as to why their fares cannot be higher - some of the commuter periodicals for examples give cheaper fares than a days parking in the city.

Absolutely no need to be that low.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Maybe we should reduce the discount on periodical tickets? I found using the PTV fare calculator that the discount per day is around 70% as opposed to something like 40% for Metro passengers.

This combined with axing off-peak fares and slashing the running costs per service would provide a much better cost recovery, as well as eliminating regional over metro bias.

For passengers like me who are quite close to Melbourne this wouldn't be very much, but for those further out (who are the ones complaining earlier in this thread), the fare rise is higher, and I suspect this is why it's not happening.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Vline is like a jet star a discount carrier well sort of.

Vline could lift their fares but they would need to offer a better service. On time departures and arrivals Te required. Better on train services and internet would be a good start.

If these on train services were improved then prices could be lifted.

I am not convinced people are looking for the cheapest fare. If services were improved then people would pay more. Similar to the metro network.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Vline is like a jet star a discount carrier well sort of.

Vline could lift their fares but they would need to offer a better service. On time departures and arrivals Te required. Better on train services and internet would be a good start.

If these on train services were improved then prices could be lifted.

I am not convinced people are looking for the cheapest fare. If services were improved then people would pay more. Similar to the metro network.
freightgate


Fares are set by government policy.

On-board improvements made over time may or may not have an impact on fare increases, however the ongoing political climate ensures fare increases are set to the cost of living and perhaps a slight increase above that.
To increase fares wildly above the cost of living would, in Sir Humphrey Appleby's parlance be deemed politically as a very 'courageous decision'.

Mike.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Rubbish.

So if I'm a student and go to RMIT or UniMelb I get heavily subsidised transport.

If instead I go to Deakin or Latrobe, I need to drive and pay the full cost of my transport.

Seems logical right?
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
The trams and buses to Deakin and Latrobe have subsidised fares as well. Some bus lines have a lower rate of cost recovery than rail.

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