Captain's Flat

 
  OldSteamer Locomotive Fireman

Location: Brisbane
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  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
At the end of the day Captains Flat really is miles from anywhere. There is not much to see in the town, except the remains of the old mine site, and the old rail yard, which is suprisingly intact considering it hasn't seen a train in over 40 years.

There are already preservation groups set up at Cooma, Bombala, and Canberra, so setting another one up at Captains Flat would, in some circles probably seem a bit excessive.

Whilst it would be a sad loss if Captains Flat was to be demolished, unfortunatly not everything can be saved. If the lease really is up on the station, then all we can realistically hope for is that it get re leased to someone else.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
If this rail trail proposal he's up then what will people see riding all that way to a town with very little ?

What was the traffic on the line wen it was open ? Mine related goods ? Ore ?
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
some information via wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captains_Flat_railway_line

another good resource is http://www.nswrail.net/locations/show.php?name=NSW:Captains+Flat which also has photos.

the station building







  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I noticed the line was re-opened briefly. Wasn't that to allow filming of Ned Kelly starring Mick Jagger???
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
As far as I know, traffic on the line mainly consisted of Ore from the mine, AD60 class garretts even made appearances at Captains Flat. (A triangle was provided at Bungendore to turn the garretts). A railmotor passenger service was also provided.

The mine shut down in 1962, and the railmotor service lingered on until 1968 when the line was closed.

The line was briefly reopened in 1969 for the filming of Ned Kelly (the film itself by some accounts was a failure) with locomotive 1243 renumbered as "176" for the filming. There is a photo in a book somwhere (can't remember what book though) of the special train at the Junction of the Canberra line and The Captains flat line with a safeworking crew "unspiking" the points ready for the special to travel onto the line.

The points at the junction were removed at some point after that. The signal post on the branch line still stands to this day. If you travel on an explorer train or an ARHS special, you can quite clearly see where the line branches off between Bungendore and Queanbeyan. (If you know where to look)
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
As far as I know, traffic on the line mainly consisted of Ore from the mine, AD60 class garretts even made appearances at Captains Flat. (A triangle was provided at Bungendore to turn the garretts). A railmotor passenger service was also provided.

The mine shut down in 1962, and the railmotor service lingered on until 1968 when the line was closed.

The line was briefly reopened in 1969 for the filming of Ned Kelly (the film itself by some accounts was a failure) with locomotive 1243 renumbered as "176" for the filming. There is a photo in a book somwhere (can't remember what book though) of the special train at the Junction of the Canberra line and The Captains flat line with a safeworking crew "unspiking" the points ready for the special to travel onto the line.

The points at the junction were removed at some point after that. The signal post on the branch line still stands to this day. If you travel on an explorer train or an ARHS special, you can quite clearly see where the line branches off between Bungendore and Queanbeyan. (If you know where to look)
steve_w_1990

March 1988, taken from a Heritage train hauled by the recently restored 3801, running Canberra-Goulburn & return.

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What my pic doesn't show is that even then, there was no longer any points at the former junction.
  xke9600hp Train Controller

Apparently the lease on the old station house is now up.

This station precinct has unique heritage value.

It beats me why some southern group does not do what the Tenterfield Station Museum has done, successfully, and preserve the station precinct.

It is all very well to let the Palerang Shire Council do all the hard yards, but ultimately some passionate individuals have to step in and help.
OldSteamer

The timber Ore Loader and weighbridge hut were recently demolished and levelled  (by ARTC I think) with only the weighbridge scales remaining.  There is also a turntable remaining.

Captains Flat regrettably has little to commend it to visitors - it is a run down old town and the mine site is pretty much a moonscape and eyesore.

Even the recent proposal for a railtrail seems a bit pointless as the scenery is unremarkable and the place is in the middle of nowhere.

From memory, the rails are of heavy gauge variety and might  be useful to other existing preservation groups if the local farmers haven't already used them all as fence posts.

Probalbly better to leave it all as is - the town should rescue the station sign at the very least if demolition is on the cards.
  irishpete Beginner

There's a bit of inaccurate information on here, no doubt not deliberate. I live in Captains Flat, and I'm a Councillor on Palerang Council.

The lease on the station has not just expired, it has been vacant for about 2 years.

Yes, ARTC illegally demolished the loader, and the resulting community outcry resulted in some restitution work. Completed (almost) by John Holland Rail as ARTC no longer have the contract.

The turntable and ash pit have been cleared of weeds and shrubs, fenced for safety, and viewing platform and path built.

A shelter has been built over the scales (where the loader was) and it incorporates the roof trusses from the loader. Interpretive signage has yet to be erected, but are coming.

We now refer to this areas the rail heritage precinct.

The station will hopefully be leased to Palerang Council as stage 2 of the project. Demolition shouldn't even be mentioned. The station is in perfect condition. The only problem I can foresee is the asbestos roof tiles, which are in poor condition (but still water proof) and probably need to be replaced. But how to replace asbestos roof tiles with something that looks similar, or is sympathetic to the heritage?

The rail trail enthusiasts love the landscape the line runs through, and are extremely enthusiastic about a rail trail. too enthusiastic probably, as they are frightening the horses (the landholders). The rail is still in place, and so are most of the sleepers, for as much of the track as can be seen from roads, which is rather a lot of it. The first few km pass through Crown Land and would be a really easy conversion, but the rail trail enthusiasts want the whole 32km. We'll see about that...

Yes the town is very sleepy, but rail heritage buffs visiting (and potentially rail trail enthusiasts in the future) could help turn that around. The town is not big enough to support many businesses, but lots of visitors could change that.

Happy to answer any questions.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Cheers for the Pic wurx. I was on an ARHS special in 2011 and the junction honestly didn't look much different to your pic in 1988
  irishpete Beginner

There are photos here http://www.captainsflat.org/ and on the Facebook page linked from there. Click on photos to find some of the restored rail heritage precinct.
  NSWRcars Assistant Commissioner

The station will hopefully be leased to Palerang Council as stage 2 of the project. Demolition shouldn't even be mentioned. The station is in perfect condition. The only problem I can foresee is the asbestos roof tiles, which are in poor condition (but still water proof) and probably need to be replaced. But how to replace asbestos roof tiles with something that looks similar, or is sympathetic to the heritage?
irishpete

Hi irishpete,

Regarding those asbestos roof slates, some other NSW railway stations have recently had them replaced with very convincing replicas. Two examples that I can think of are Leeton and Ivanhoe. I don’t know what material they used. Might be worth following up.
  The Man in Blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: Trackside in Baiyin NW China!
Hi irishpete,

Regarding those asbestos roof slates, some other NSW railway stations have recently had them replaced with very convincing replicas. Two examples that I can think of are Leeton and Ivanhoe. I don’t know what material they used. Might be worth following up.
NSWRcars


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  irishpete Beginner

Captains Flat oozes a lot more than history! The mine still oozes leachate into the Molonglo River! Because of our proximity to Canberra, there is a lot of interest in a a rail trail - cyclists are quite a powerful and large group in Canberra.

Thanks for the tip on the roof tiles. I'll bear it in mind if we ever get to the point of needing to replace the roof, but for now the station remains in John Holland Rail's hands..

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